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  • Nov 11, 2020, 05:22 PM
    paraclete
    peddling influence
  • Nov 12, 2020, 06:53 AM
    tomder55
    RICO( Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) ....influence peddling for profit to benefit his family and himself even though SCOTUS took a lot of the enforcement mechanism away in the McDonnell v US decision . They sent Manafort to jail for FARA violations . Are Hunter ,James and/or Quid registered as foreign agents ? They should have registered as foreign agents for their business arrangements with the Chinese government back energy company CEFC. The company was actively seeking to build influence in the United States when it partnered with them. Not only that ; Hunter knew he had to register and chose to try to find ways to avoid it . Hunter Biden's text messages about his business dealings with CEFC show that he was aware that he was supposed to register with the Justice Department under FARA. He also wrote to his business partner Tony Bobulinski on May 1 2017 “We don't want to have to register as foreign agents under the FCPA which is much more expansive [expensive] than people who should know choose not to know.”

    The Biden family also violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act which is an anti-bribery provision . A federal government official cannot assist or intervene to influence a foreign official in their official capacity to take an act that is in violation of their domestic duties “in order to assist in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person.” Using his official office, and using the threat of withholding official U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine,Quid influenced a foreign official to stop executing their official duties which consisted of investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma in order to benefit his son .
  • Nov 12, 2020, 07:08 AM
    talaniman
    Seems that was an easy enough case to file by DOJ, yet it wasn't. Instead it was filed in the court of public opinion, and the judge (The PEEPS) dismissed the case. I guess the dufus's arms were too short to box with Biden, so he got taken behind the woodshed as promised. The dufus can try again in 2024.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 08:05 AM
    tomder55
    Trump's DOJ is slightly better than the emperor's . But still they are swamp critters protecting their own . They do the investigations at a snail's pace with the intent of waiting him out . And they have succeeded . That is why I said there should be a special prosecutor assigned . Let Quid try firing the prosecutor . Maybe the Senate will impanel a commission or select committee with the power to subpoena, to investigate the allegations. They can't prosecute by themselves .But they can recommend charges . The goal is to not let Quid bury the investigation . Then perhaps in 2 years they will regain control of the House and Senate ...... payback is a beetch
  • Nov 12, 2020, 08:38 AM
    jlisenbe
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    That is why I said there should be a special prosecutor assigned
    Yep. If Trump has any concern for the truth, and I think he does, he will do that.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 09:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...8c&oe=5FD4C75E
  • Nov 12, 2020, 09:25 AM
    talaniman
    The dufus has never had concern for the truth just smearing people and lying for his own benefit and maybe as he heads out the door he may well sling some mud, but in the grand scheme of things with the senate up in the air still and a bunch of more important stuff on the front burner, the small potato stuff and right wing wish list could be on hold for a while.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 09:32 AM
    jlisenbe
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    lying for his own benefit
    Unlike your twin-paragons of virtue, HC and JB?
  • Nov 12, 2020, 10:11 AM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Unlike your twin-paragons of virtue, HC and JB?

    At least they don't slaughter innocent animals in trophy hunts.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PO99-QLuOkk
  • Nov 12, 2020, 10:23 AM
    jlisenbe
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    At least they don't slaughter innocent animals in trophy hunts.
    No. They simply support the slaughter of innocent, unborn children. I find it incredible that you, a confessing Christian, would be critical of Trump for trophy hunting, and yet be totally silent about your liberal dem heroes and abortion. It's just stunning.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 10:52 AM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No. They simply support the slaughter of innocent, unborn children.

    But you, a Christian, don't care about innocent, born children they have slaughtered, do you. That's just stunning.

    The article my Pentecostal sister sent me begins by saying, "Biden and Harris are strong supporters of Roe v. Wade.
    Roe requires that abortion be permissible even at the end of pregnancy whenever a physician believes it necessary to protect a woman’s health."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cy/ar-BB18CUlx

    I told her I totally agree. God commanded "do not kill" and He also blessed us with intelligence. A woman and her doctor need to work this out. Having been pregnant twice, I can't believe abortion, at whatever stage of pregnancy, is ever a willy-nilly, flippant decision, "just because I want to, just because I feel like it."
  • Nov 12, 2020, 11:41 AM
    jlisenbe
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    But you, a Christian, don't care about innocent, born children they have slaughtered, do you. That's just stunning.
    It would be if it was even remotely close to being true. But I'll make a deal with you. I will join you in standing against the killing of innocent children anywhere if you will join me in opposing the killing of unborn children in abortion. Deal? (My prediction. You will either go silent again for a week, just ignore it, or flatly refuse.)


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    I told her I totally agree. God commanded "do not kill" and He also blessed us with intelligence. A woman and her doctor need to work this out. Having been pregnant twice, I can't believe abortion, at whatever stage of pregnancy, is ever a willy-nilly, flippant decision, "just because I want to, just because I feel like it."
    Oh? You've been pregnant twice, so you understand why the 900,000 abortions a year happen? You have to know that makes no sense. And a woman needs to work this out with a doctor at an abortion clinic who is making a quarter mil a year doing abortions? It's a ridiculous idea. I never cease to be amazed at the lengths you will go to in order to ease your conscience. And JB supports Roe? Of course he does. Where do you think abortion comes from???

    Here are the reasons women list for having abortions according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which is associated with PP and hardly a conservative institution. You will note that your observation is incorrect.

    https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/


    https://www.hli.org/wp-content/uploa...r-abortion.png
  • Nov 12, 2020, 01:19 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It would be if it was even remotely close to being true. But I'll make a deal with you. I will join you in standing against the killing of innocent children anywhere if you will join me in opposing the killing of unborn children in abortion.

    Nope, no bananas. It isn't a yes/no issue.
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    Oh? You've been pregnant twice, so you understand why the 900,000 abortions a year happen?
    How many times have YOU been pregnant?
  • Nov 12, 2020, 03:08 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Nope, no bananas. It isn't a yes/no issue.
    As I figured. Tragic.

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    How many times have YOU been pregnant?
    I have self identified as a pregnant woman on a number of occasions. 8D
  • Nov 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As I figured. Tragic.

    Abortion has been with us since the beginning...and will be with us until the Last Day.
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    I have self identified as a pregnant woman on a number of occasions. 8D
    Now I have questions....
  • Nov 12, 2020, 04:07 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Abortion has been with us since the beginning...and will be with us until the Last Day.
    So have murder, rape, robbery, violent assault, etc., so I guess we should just let all of those go by as well.

    Wow. 900,000 human lives a year, and you are so casual about it.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 04:25 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Wow. 900,000 human lives a year, and you are so casual about it.

    And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....
  • Nov 12, 2020, 04:35 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....

    until there is one more, 666 refers to man putting themselves before God, and the evidence is all around us, yes, slaughter of the innocents is part of it, Eve was deceived in the garden and remains deceived when she thinks it is okay to take life for her own ends, but there are many more indications of the antichrist loose in the world and most are out of sight of the 5% who live in the USA
  • Nov 12, 2020, 04:43 PM
    Wondergirl
    And man certainly has put himself before God, hasn't he! Jesus said love one another. How we fail at that, especially when the others are immigrants, people of color, the LGBTQIA community.

    It took the wiles of Satan to deceive Eve and only a mere woman to deceive Adam.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 05:19 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And man certainly has put himself before God, hasn't he! Jesus said love one another. How we fail at that, especially when the others are immigrants, people of color, the LGBTQIA community.

    It took the wiles of Satan to deceive Eve and only a mere woman to deceive Adam.

    Nothing to be proud of, Satan knew he could not deceive Adam, but Eve wanted to be equal with God and still does. People no longer take the stranger into their homes and there was always discrimination. The Jews practiced discrimination against the whole human race on religious grounds and certainly didn't recognise the LGBTQIA "community" but man welcomes this abomination in all its manifestations. Even Jesus wasn't sent to the gentiles but had to raise disciples for that purpose.

    Don't be confused by liberal theology
  • Nov 12, 2020, 05:45 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Nothing to be proud of, Satan knew he could not deceive Adam, but Eve wanted to be equal with God and still does. People no longer take the stranger into their homes and there was always discrimination. The Jews practiced discrimination against the whole human race on religious grounds and certainly didn't recognise the LGBTQIA "community" but man welcomes this abomination in all its manifestations. Even Jesus wasn't sent to the gentiles but had to raise disciples for that purpose.

    Don't be confused by liberal theology

    Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

    When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 06:05 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

    When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.

    I don't toss anyone away, so get off your pedestal before you fall off. You sound like you applaud what Eve did and show your Satanic nature by laughing. Women have being deceiving men for millennia, it's Biblical. In Genesis God declared what the nature of women would be, manipulative by nature.

    Just because someone decides to come to my country doesn't mean they should be admitted, I don't assume their burden just because they think it is a good idea
  • Nov 12, 2020, 07:22 PM
    jlisenbe
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    And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....
    It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 08:15 PM
    paraclete
    Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective
  • Nov 12, 2020, 08:43 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

    I'm not liberal but also am not closeminded. I'm open to hearing other points of view.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 08:58 PM
    jlisenbe
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    those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective
    Very, very true, Clete.
  • Nov 12, 2020, 10:03 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.

    Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.

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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

    As are conservative doctrine followers so what?
  • Nov 12, 2020, 10:33 PM
    paraclete
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    So what?
    They seek to include everyone in their falacies, where as conservatives don't like that approach
  • Nov 13, 2020, 05:24 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.
    If you are interested in cruelty, you are opposed to abortion. To speak of six hundred and ignore nine hundred thousand is just political garbage. You can keep your meaningless excuses for those foolish enough to believe them. To say, "Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events," is to open the door to anything and everything. "Yes, I killed one of my children, but I'm undergoing a life changing event, so it's OK." It could be an example sentence under the definition of "platitudes".
  • Nov 13, 2020, 08:43 AM
    talaniman
    That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?

    I understand your position but unfortunately you are outvoted in the law and public opinion, even as you support changing that law. Probably be helpful if you stop whining about how wrong others are and how right you are, so as to dispense with the personal attacks and insults. I kind of find it interesting your dismissal and twisting of my term life changing events that people endure as some kind of excuse for anything goes, because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?
  • Nov 13, 2020, 01:45 PM
    paraclete
    law and public opinion, another liberal falacy
  • Nov 13, 2020, 03:47 PM
    jlisenbe
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    That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?
    You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it. Secondly, you are also not against it, so your first statement is completely untrue. Lastly, I have just said earlier I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly. They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior. They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.

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    because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?

    That tells me nothing. "Plenty of stuff happens", so I shouldn't be concerned about the killings of 900,000 human beings a year? Is that your justification?
  • Nov 13, 2020, 04:09 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it.

    I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.

    If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?
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    I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly.
    You know this how? Oh yeah, Trump said they get to watch TV all day and eat snacks.
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    They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior.
    It's irresponsible to remove your children from a war zone and send/take them to a better place to live? Lots of Jews during WW2 would have disagreed with you.
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    They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.
    Of course, I do!
  • Nov 13, 2020, 04:24 PM
    talaniman
    I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.

    I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine.
  • Nov 13, 2020, 09:02 PM
    jlisenbe
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    I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.
    Very nice job of being non-commital.

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    If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?
    No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children. Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.

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    Of course, I do!
    Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?

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    I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.
    No one invited you into this discussion. If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.
  • Nov 13, 2020, 09:19 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Very nice job of being non-commital.

    You want a yes/no response? It doesn't work that way.
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    No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children.
    Thus, your granddaughter has no value. And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.
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    Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.
    Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.
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    Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?
    Tomorrow. It's bedtime now.
  • Nov 13, 2020, 09:25 PM
    jlisenbe
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    You want a yes/no response? It doesn't workthat way.
    Like I said...non-commital. You're about as against abortion as I'm against the purchase of a Dodge automobile. It's a simple preference to you.

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    Thus, your granddaughter has no value.
    That's a completely absurd statement. Nothing I said would cause any rational person to arrive at that conclusion. Surely you missed something somewhere.
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    And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.
    If a doctor not working at an abortion mill told me the pregnancy could likely cause her lifelong physical injury or death, then that would be a different matter. However, 13 year old girls give birth and go on to live productive lives. Others have abortions and live their entire adult lives regretting it bitterly. The baby is just a troublesome brat to you. To me it is a living human being.

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    Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.

    Yeah. That'll be interesting
  • Nov 14, 2020, 09:29 AM
    talaniman
    You got no heat in the kitchen...that's a grease fire from rehashed rhetoric.
  • Nov 14, 2020, 09:43 AM
    jlisenbe
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    You got no heat in the kitchen.
    Then what are you whining about? If you have a rational argument, then bring it forward, but the endless complaining such as, "I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine," just becomes tiresome. You're just whining as opposed to advancing any kind of argument that is worth listening to. You have no statement that can be responded to.
  • Nov 14, 2020, 09:55 AM
    talaniman
    That's your version of the debate which is always one sided. I understand completely the frustration of failing to outlaw abortion, gay marriage, and welfare in America. I applaud your dedication, and perseverance, but not the nasty inaccuracy of your rock chunking...but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.

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