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Raising and lowering taxes in America is the job of elected officials and not individuals, so if you're entitled to your opinion, why isn't everybody else entitled to theirs? As a matter of fact when they raise your taxes, they raise mine too, but last I checked taxes were going down not up! So what's you're whole point on taxes dude? You did get your tax cut didn't you? The dufus got his too!
Never said otherwise, so I have no idea why you would say that.Quote:
so if you're entitled to your opinion, why isn't everybody else entitled to theirs?
My point, which I have stated many times, is that it gets tiresome to have to listen to the endless sermonizing of liberals of how we must raise taxes on the wealthy, who are falsely claimed to not be paying their "fair share", a completely stupid allegation, in order to take care of the poor. The people making that call for higher taxes typically have no interest in having their OWN taxes raised, but want to appear moral and caring because they are willing to force others to help the poor. It's a sickening claim that I try to never allow to go by unchallenged.Quote:
So what's you're whole point on taxes dude?
Athos has at least allowed that he would be OK with his own taxes going up. He hasn't actually called for that to happen, but perhaps that will come next. How about you?
I have consistently voted for elected official that make ministering to the least of us a much higher priority than the greatest of us. My time and efforts go into the unelected citizens who also do good works for the least of us.
I voted that way YESTERDAY. I have consistently expressed that every time you have asked. I balk when my taxes are going in the dufus pocket every time he visit one of his properties, but you're okay with that right?
You balk when they might raise YOUR taxes to help the poor. Until it costs you something it’s just hollow moralizing.
Putting my money where my mouth is with my VOTE, words, and actions are not a balk. You saying it is doesn't make it so either. You're entitled to your opinion, right or wrong.
When you call for your taxes to be raised then you will have something worth saying. Voting to raise someone else’s taxes is not the moral high ground.
You better believe I want to see it. What you are saying is flatly untrue. But you have your big chance now, if you can get yourself to take it.Quote:
We've been here before and you backed out then. Do you want to see that. too?
"I'm backing out of nothing. If you are willing to obligate yourself, then I'm all in. Are you willing?"
I thought it was worth saying, and raising taxes on those that have millions and billions AFTER taxes is the right thing to do. Just as right as giving them MOMONEY that they didn't need, and we didn't have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sure it is. After all, they are only paying 87% of fed income tax now. Of course you could also actually start doing some things to help those poor people you claim to care so much about.Quote:
raising taxes on those that have millions and billions AFTER taxes is the right thing to do
How do you know I don't? I just don't go around bragging about it.
I am hopefully wrong. I do know you want others to pay more in taxes, but not you.
Asked and answered. Review post #128, and my previous posts.
My statement. "I do know you want others to pay more in taxes, but not you."
Post 128. "I thought it was worth saying, and raising taxes on those that have millions and billions AFTER taxes is the right thing to do. Just as right as giving them MOMONEY that they didn't need, and we didn't have it."
Thank you for affirming what I said about you.
Even Jay Robert "J. B." Pritzker (born January 19, 1965), an American businessman, philanthropist, and politician serving as the 43rd Governor of Illinois, a private business owner based in Chicago and a managing partner and co-founder of the Pritzker Group, and a member of the Pritzker family that owns the Hyatt hotel chain (and who has an estimated personal net worth of $3.4 billion) agrees that those with wealth should pay more in taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
They already do...a LOT more.
You know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why would Governor Pritzker push a graduated state tax if Illinois millionaires and billionaires are already paying far more than the law demands?
He doesn't know anything, he just presumes
Well, it's been stated here repeatedly that the top 20% of wage earners pay more than 85% of fed income taxes.Quote:
You know this how?
Who said they were?Quote:
Why would Governor Pritzker push a graduated state tax if Illinois millionaires and billionaires are already paying far more than the law demands?
Guys, wifey and I will be heading to Texas, probably tomorrow, as our daughter is giving birth at this moment. I'll be gonezo for a while. As you can imagine, we are excited.
You did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Pretty sure I didn't.Quote:
Illinois millionaires and billionaires are already paying far more than the law demands?
JL: "They already do...a LOT more."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's not saying they do more than the law demands. Come on. I was responding to this statement which says nothing about doing more than the law demands. " a member of the Pritzker family that owns the Hyatt hotel chain (and who has an estimated personal net worth of $3.4 billion) agrees that those with wealth should pay more in taxes." And I replied, "They already do...a LOT more." It is unarguably true.
At any rate, I'm in grandbaby mode now. You'll have to discuss this with someone else.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You have a one-note obsession with the percentage of federal taxes paid by the rich. That is only part of the story. Over and over, the complete story has been pointed out to you. But you simply ignore that, and revert to your obsession.
He is a one pony race and he is flogging that dead horse to deathQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
It's not the COMPLETE truth though, just a factor of the larger picture, and that's the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Wish you and yours the very best during this joyful time.
I keep explaining it to you and you don't get it, it doesn't matter what the tax rate is, the statistic will remain the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And those wealthy Illinoisans also use their wealth to benefit education, hospitals and the Boy Scouts (as my cousin did when he was alive), start-up businesses, et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Thanks Tal. Might note you are the only to say it. This is our first so we are excited. You have grandkids?
your tax statement is a fair one.
I saw your grandchild announcement long after you had posted it, plus you mentioned you wouldn't be on AMHD, so I was saving my congrats until your return. Soooooo, Congratulations, Grampy!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
7 GKids ranging in age from 24-3. Still excited to this day over them. Please keep us updated about yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I admit I'm excited for you.
Will do. I’ll post a pic once I’m back home. Where in Texas do you live?
Does Trump have stock in the vaccine company?
I like being anonymous on public forums for personal security. Sent you a PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It's been reported he does but not verified as far as I know, but no doubt he has buddies that are.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
"Not verified" "but no doubt" "as far as I know" Do you work for CNN?Quote:
It's been reported he does but not verified as far as I know, but no doubt he has buddies that are.
It's been verified by the Office of Government Ethics.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He has profited substantially from the three drugs. The Office of Government Ethics has reported that Trump gained $50,000 to $100,000 from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, and $100,000 to $1,000,000 from Gilead Sciences. Both are makers of Remdesivir and Regeneron.
Also reported: Trump's family investments have a large ownership in Sanofi, a major producer of Hydroxychloroquine.
Trump continues to promote Remdesivir and Regeneron.
Do you have any documentation on that? I did a search and came up empty.Quote:
The Office of Government Ethics has reported that Trump gained $50,000 to $100,000 from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, and $100,000 to $1,000,000 from Gilead Sciences. Both are makers of Remdesivir and Regeneron.
Being aware of how much you guys despise lying, I figured you'd want to jump all over this ad by Biden. It's full of real whoppers. My favorite is for this guy to whine about his business doing poorly in democrat controlled Michigan where the gov completely overreacted and shut down (illegally, I might add) so much of the economy that the result was pretty predictable. But of course that somehow comes out to be Trump's fault.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ling-bar-ownerQuote:
“For 50 years, The Blind Pig has been open and crowded – but right now it’s an empty room,” he says in the one-minute ad, showing the empty venue. “This is the reality of Trump’s COVID response.”
The ad, which was posted to YouTube on Thursday and aired Sunday on CBS during NFL games, features Joe Malcoun, who is listed as the “co-owner” of The Blind Pig, a once-popular bar and music venue in Ann Arbor, Mich. Malcoun blamed his business’ economic downturn on President Trump’s COVID-19 response.
What the ad fails to mention is the man is actually a wealthy tech investor who made contributions to the former vice president’s campaign. He also supported Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-at-home orders that kept businesses shuttered longer. The ad, which was posted to YouTube on Thursday and aired Sunday on CBS during NFL games, features Joe Malcoun, who is listed as the “co-owner” of The Blind Pig, a once-popular bar and music venue in Ann Arbor, Mich. Malcoun blamed his business’ economic downturn on President Trump’s COVID-19 response.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing
Guess not.Quote:
Do you have any documentation on that? I did a search and came up empty.Quote:
The Office of Government Ethics has reported that Trump gained $50,000 to $100,000 from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, and $100,000 to $1,000,000 from Gilead Sciences. Both are makers of Remdesivir and Regeneron.
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