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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png

already in motion with the declassification of documents . A trial ;a truth commission as I already suggested . The best way is the old fashion way . One by one move up the ladder with indictments and let each of them rat out the other . There is already enough evidence to charge Comey's underlings

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From Athos. So you don't have a full accounting yet. Just a desire to take down those you disagree with. That's what I thought.

Still hoping to see a full accounting from Tomder.

Dufus underlings have already been charged and convicted. More to come? What a long line we have.

read it again ....

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He should be charged and then pardoned after there is a full accounting of what he and his administration did .... like Nixon

I never suggested that I had a full accounting . The documentary I suggested ,the book by Lee Smith it is primarily based on , and the investigative work by John Durham and by Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps . What did the emperor know and when did he know it ? Clearly he was involved . But did he lead it or was he fed misinformation by Coomey ,and Brennan(who is most likely the real ring leader ) . The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt. What should happen to them ? Certainly nothing less than what happened to General Flynn. At the very least all of them have been lying to the Congressional committees and to the American public .

No one insisted on having a "full accounting" PRIOR to the impeachment hearings, so why the double standard? All of this is based on the idea that, "Where there's smoke there's fire." There sure is a lot of smoke in this case.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

read it again ....
I never suggested that I had a full accounting .

Ok, sorry, I missed that.

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Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps

Nunes is a disaster. "Still some gaps" - no doubt.

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The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt.

Please provide proof of the undeniable fact that a "cabal" orchestrated a coup attempt. I'm aware of the FISA warrant being declared invalid.

General Flynn is guilty as hell. He's already confessed in open court.

The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

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The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

Well known truth.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.

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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png
The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.

What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers This was supported by the interviewing FBI agents, who concluded that Flynn had not made intentional misstatements, just failures of recollection, which are common. Under federal law, a false statement made to investigators is actionable ONLY if it is material to the matter under investigation. If there was no basis to believe Flynn had committed a crime, any false statements allegedly made by Flynn when he was questioned in January 2017 were immaterial.

The FBI withheld this information violating the government’s duty to disclose exculpatory evidence.

Inspector Javert Mueller did indeed coerce a confession out of Flynn by threatening prosecution of his son. His son working for Flynn's security firm allegedly failed to register with the government as a foreign agent This is a dubious allegation that was rarely handled as a criminal offense before Mueller’s probe. It was also selectively applied as Republicans were charged or threatened to be charged while Democrats like Tony Podesta were given a pass.

All this stuff is being litigated so stay tuned. Get popcorn since everybody has a lawyer. What's telling is you guys make a case and the dufus for all his corruption and shade throwing not one charge has been filed...NOT ONE!

Except against those dufus dudes and the dufus runs the government...for now anyway. Arrest somebody already! Or hold your noses and vote for the dufus to NOT go to jail. All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing. Hope you don't burn yourselves too bad trying to burn us liberals.

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All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing.

Stay tuned for the fire.

Liar, liar dufus pants on fire.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3632...0,075,f.u1.jpg

We shall see. One reason the dems are lying so freely in this election is a fear that if Trump is elected, then their misdeeds will be brought to light.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers

Flynn pled guilty to lying three times in open court. His defense now is "I lied when I said I lied".

Flynn admitted to repeatedly lying to the Justice Department about his work as an agent for the government of Turkey — work that he continued, and concealed, while he was working for Trump. Part of his plea deal was that prosecutors would not pursue those charges.

Since he wants to change his plea, it would appear that he can now be charged for those other crimes. He should be allowed to plead not guilty and go to trial.

As Trump would put it, Flynn is a traitor "the likes of which the world has never seen".

Peaceful protestors at it again.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/violent-c...h-knife-report

Putin leads the way! Putin?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

The solution to the dufus and repubs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The solution to the dufus and repubs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

Agreed!

umm no . The hardball radical Repubs set the stage for a resurgence of racist Democrats . When their power inevitably declined ;reconstruction ended ,and Jim Crow was institutionalized .(see the 1877 compromise ) .
Had Republicans stuck with Lincoln's plan of reconciliation it is probable that the South would've reentered the Union without another almost century of Southern resentment . Lincoln’s flexibility, pragmatism, and superior political skills with Congress would have solved Reconstruction with far less difficulty. But after his assassination there was little to stop the radical Republicans . They nearly got away with a political impeachment . As it was they had no problem dominating Congress. But they in fact set back racial relations as a result .

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They nearly got away with a political impeachment .

Who does that remind you of?

Now Justice Kavanaugh was opposed by the holier than thou crowd because he supposedly watched a supposed sexual assault when he was a teen-ager, an assault which was never reported to the cops and for which there was but scant evidence. Jacob Blake, on the other hand, actually DID sexually and physically assault a woman as an adult man. He is a major anti-Semite as well, and yet Kamala Harris says she is "proud" of him. How can anyone defend that? How can you be proud of a sexual predator racist?

@Tom. Obviously defeating the southern armies didn't stop the war or the reasons for it. The subsequent laws and amendments didn't either. The civil war continues.

@JL. That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.

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That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.

That wasn't the point. It was Harris saying that she was "proud" of him that was sickening. He is an anit-semite racist for certain because that was on his website. His sexual assault case, as best as I remember, is pretty well settled as well. Sad that you are willing to give a benefit of the doubt to an obviously guilty man, but not to the guy who was "tried" with nothing more than the highly suspect memory of one witness.

"Scared punk cop"? Wow. What an attitude towards the police.

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@JL. That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.

And the court has NOT decided yet. Blake's ex-girlfriend has alleged the assault took place.

In terms of Harris being proud of him, that comment was taken out of context. She said she was proud of him as "he worked through his pain" while talking to Blake as he was recovering in the hospital. She said this in response to Blake saying he was proud of her for visiting his family. To construe this as Harris being proud of Blake for his past activities is simply another example of slanting the facts to support an agenda. It is far more revealing of the commentor than it is of Harris.

A scared cop with a loaded gun is an apt description of the cop firing seven bullets into Blake's back at point-blank range in front of his young children. I can think of harsher terms for the cop's actions.

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Blake's ex-girlfriend has alleged the assault took place.

Kind of like when Kavanaugh's accuser alleged that someone other than Kavanaugh assaulted her? Funny how that was good enough for you guys back then, but not now. And in the case of Blake's accuser, this is her story. "According to the New York Post, the woman, whose name has not been released, told police she was asleep May 3 when Blake entered her room around 6 a.m. and said, “I want my s—.” His victim alleges that he then digitally violated her, sniffed his fingers and told her, “Smells like you’ve been with other men.” And unlike the Kavanaugh incident, she called the police and pressed charges. So yeah, Jacob Blake is really a great guy that we should all be proud of.

Come to think of it, Harris might have said something in support of his accuser. She might have spoken about Blake in those "harsher terms" you reserve only for the police. She certainly had no problems in hammering Kavanaugh for the charges against him, charges for which there was essentially no evidence. Why, we were told of the "me too" movement and how women must be believed, but in this case the alleged assailant is someone she is "proud" of and someone Athos defends. Wonder why there is such a difference? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with politics, could it?

You're a tough nut if you think 7 shots in the back are acceptable policing, and loony as hell comparing it to the Kavanaugh situation. That's just screwed up no matter your politics.

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loony as hell comparing it to the Kavanaugh situation.

How is it not a good comparison? You thought Kav was guilty as you know what with scarcely any evidence, but we're supposed to be "proud" of Blake? Are you serious? Why the double standard?

I've said nothing about the policing being acceptable, so you're just making it up again as you go along.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

but we're supposed to be "proud" of Blake? Are you serious? Why the double standard?

Like Athos said: "In terms of Harris being proud of him, that comment was taken out of context. She said she was proud of him as "he worked through his pain" while talking to Blake as he was recovering in the hospital. She said this in response to Blake saying he was proud of her for visiting his family. To construe this as Harris being proud of Blake for his past activities is simply another example of slanting the facts to support an agenda. It is far more revealing of the commentor than it is of Harris."

Kav deserved to be investigated and I suppose the repub sham version was it, but twisting words to smear Harris was pretty outrageous even for you.

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"Scared punk cop"? Wow. What an attitude towards the police.

How should I have interpreted that except to think you see 7 shots in the back are acceptable?

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Kav deserved to be investigated and I suppose the repub sham version was it, but twisting words to smear Harris was pretty outrageous even for you.

She spends an hour with an accused sex offender and an anti-semite racist, says she's proud of him for whatever reason, and you think that's just fine? Well, your values are sure different from mine. She is supporting a racist, but he's only a racist against Jews, so I guess you don't care about that.

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How should I have interpreted that except to think you see 7 shots in the back are acceptable?

Interpreted what? I haven't mentioned the cops. My complaint is about Harris falling all over herself to compliment Blake and then never saying a word about the victim in the case. And all of that after her sickening "interrogation" of Kav and her fake support of the "me too" movement. Well, why isn't Blake's victim part of the "me too" movement?

Politics. Stinkin politics. Any excuse will do. "Oh, you twisted her words. Why she was only saying she was proud of his recovery." Well, was she proud of his victim's recovery? Did she go talk to her? We all know the answer to that question. Your support of it is very troubling. There is nothing about Jacob Blake to be proud of.

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She spends an hour with an accused sex offender and an anti-semite racist, says she's proud of him for whatever reason, and you think that's just fine? Well, your values are sure different from mine. She is supporting a racist, but he's only a racist against Jews, so I guess you don't care about that.

If you can support a lying cheating racist, then why can't I?

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Interpreted what? I haven't mentioned the cops. My complaint is about Harris falling all over herself to compliment Blake and then never saying a word about the victim in the case. And all of that after her sickening "interrogation" of Kav and her fake support of the "me too" movement. Well, why isn't Blake's victim part of the "me too" movement?

Okay fine, I'll mention the scared punk cop, and the racist dufus who supports those punk a$$ cops who kill people that you support.

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Politics. Stinkin politics. Any excuse will do. "Oh, you twisted her words. Why she was only saying she was proud of his recovery." Well, was she proud of his victim's recovery? Did she go talk to her? We all know the answer to that question. Your support of it is very troubling. There is nothing about Jacob Blake to be proud of.

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What about all those sick and dead victims of covid? How many of those has he consoled? Is that stinking politics too?

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If you can support a lying cheating racist, then why can't I?

Finally. A moment of honesty. You admit it!

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and the racist dufus who supports those punk a$$ cops who kill people that you support.

If there is any justice in this world, you will need one of those "punk a$$ cops" some day, and they will not be available. On that day, you will learn a few things.

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What about all those sick and dead victims of covid? How many of those has he consoled? Is that stinking politics too?

Deflect, deflect, deflect. It's what you do when you cannot defend your Harris/Biden ticket.

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@Tom. Obviously defeating the southern armies didn't stop the war or the reasons for it. The subsequent laws and amendments didn't either. The civil war continues.

What certainly did not end it was the radical Republicans idea that punishing the losers was a good idea. They should've listened to Lincoln .

"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

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The civil war continues.

That's like saying WW2 continues since there are still some nazis floating around out there. The Civil War is over.

On the positive side, despite the mishandling of the Covid situation by dem govs, the economy grew at an annual rate of 33% last quarter. Be interesting to see how long it takes for the libs on this site to come out and give Trump a big pat on the back.

Also on the positive side, KH said something I agree with. "We cannot live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered." I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?

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That's like saying WW2 continues since there are still some nazis floating around out there. The Civil War is over.

Maybe for some, but not for others JL.

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On the positive side, despite the mishandling of the Covid situation by dem govs, the economy grew at an annual rate of 33% last quarter. Be interesting to see how long it takes for the libs on this site to come out and give Trump a big pat on the back.

Boot this incompetent boob out of here and you too for ignoring the rise of sickness and death for a pat on the back.

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Also on the positive side, KH said something I agree with. "We cannot live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered." I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?

Why can't you just take it she means ALL the babies...born and unborn. That is if you care about ALL of them.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?

Solution is zipped-up pants.

You can find Harris's position here if that clarifies it for you which I doubt.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ka...n-until-birth/

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Why can't you just take it she means ALL the babies...born and unborn.

Because she is as pro-abortion as anyone on the planet. She plainly does not care about the unborn.

As for your Snopes link, did you read this? "U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif, has maintained that the timing of carrying out an abortion should be left up to a woman. Harris was a co-sponsor of the 2019 Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA), which prohibits state laws banning post-viability abortions that do not make exceptions if a woman’s health and life are at risk."

Or this? "This issue was presented to Harris back in February 2019, when conservative news outlet The Daily Caller asked various Democratic senators “if there was a point at which [abortion] would be considered immoral.” Harris did not offer a direct answer, instead saying: “I think it’s up to a woman to make that decision, and I will always stand by that […] I think she needs to make that decision with her doctor, with her priest, with her spouse.”

Well, that's the great advocate for life that you are supporting.

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Solution is zipped-up pants.

Yep, for males and females both. And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.

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Yep, for males and females both.

If the males keep their pants zipped, problem solved!

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And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.

I have no clue what that all means.

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If the males keep their pants zipped, problem solved!

The reverse is also true.

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And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.

I have no clue what that all means.

The woman gets pregnant which is a far, far more serious issue for her than it is for the man. Pretty sure you already know that. It's like I've said before. I hope you keep your doors locked at night, but I have a far greater interest in keeping MY doors locked at night since I stand to lose far more over MY doors not being locked than I do over yours. I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally.

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The reverse is also true.

The reverse wouldn't be necessary if the male did what I said.

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The woman gets pregnant which is a far, far more serious issue for her than it is for the man. Pretty sure you already know that. It's like I've said before. I hope you keep your doors locked at night, but I have a far greater interest in keeping MY doors locked at night since I stand to lose far more over MY doors not being locked than I do over yours. I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally.

Pants zipped; problem solved. Or should we instead go with the required reversible vasectomy?