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You're losing it, paraclete. This statement is the height of untruth when describing what Trump says. Hard to believe you actually wrote it down and posted it here. Where have you been the last few decades? The interview couldn't possibly be more clear showing Trump for the evil idiot he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'm not referring to everything he says, but in this instance it is over blown by the media. You assume that your President has total perception, but on the other hand you know he is a very flawed individual who isn't focused on anything but himself so unless he actually falls prey to the virus he doesn't understand it and relies on statistics like 5% as if he knows what 5% actually means. Has it killed 5% of infected in the US? no probably no more than 1% so Trump doesn't realise it but it really is no worse than the seasonal flu otherwise he would had said that and been lampooned for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You can expect to see more of this silliness. First there was the now discredited Atlantic article. Then Woodward interviews Trump in March and makes it public two months before the election. Coincidence? Nah. And there is the predictably hyper, over the top reaction by the usual people, practically apoplectic concerning their views of Trump who are, I suppose, disappointed that Trump did not appear in public months ago with his hair on fire screaming, "Run for the hills! The virus is a comin!" They seem unable to consider this simple question: If Trump had been engaged in purposeful lying, then why would he have allowed himself to be interviewed by the very guy who took down Nixon and then "spilled the beans" to him? And if Woodward, after the interview, knew that Trump had been lying and that a dangerous pandemic was coming down the highway, why didn't he go public the very next day with that information? Sorry, but something about this whole story smells of a political hatchet job.
But at the end of the day, even if it somehow all turns out to be true, the sad fact remains that the only alternative to Trump is a far left-wing ticket led by a guy who cannot think clearly. Good luck with that.
You have options. You can hold your nose again for the lying cheating dufus, hold your nose for the far left gaffe machine, or stay home and just add THIS to your collection of empty snake oil bottles.
Or get you some popcorn and a Netflix subscription to avoid the hearings about yet another whistleblower squealing on the dufus, and all the coverage and campaign commercials that are surely coming to a TV near you.
From experience it's more fun to blast the opposition than defend the incumbents, especially a bumbling fumbling liar, who cheats and steals and talks bookoo crap from behind the podium of the highest office in the world.
Option TWO is the choice for you and give your poor pinched nose a break.
A bumbling fumbling liar? Is Obama running again??
No but his VP Joe is promising a return to common sense and stability, with responsible governance, unlike the current devious dufus. I know, a low bar to overcome.
You are living in a fantasy world. Read AOC's Green New Deal, which JB has endorsed, and then come back and let's talk about "common sense".Quote:
Joe is promising a return to common sense and stability, with responsible governance,
If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have reviewed it and it's a start to a conversation rebus/conservatives want no part of. Now Mitch blames dems because his repub skinny covid bill failed. DUH! He knew the rules. If he needed dem votes then he compromises with the dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
He didn't.
Repubs don't want green jobs, they want dirty nasty land air and water. They don't believe in Climate change no matter how funky the weather is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
No, it's not. That's like saying WW2 was a start to a conversation about world peace. The GND is a proposal involving tens of trillions of dollars and massive changes in American lives. It is insane.Quote:
I have reviewed it and it's a start to a conversation rebus/conservatives want no part of.
You do realize our national output of CO2 has been declining for a number of years thanks, in large degree, to the increased use of natural gas. That would never have happened if we had listened to the zany dems who did not want fracking to take place. If we had listened to them, we would not be producing so much natural gas and would not be energy independent.Quote:
Repubs don't want green jobs, they want dirty nasty land air and water. They don't believe in Climate change no matter how funky the weather is.
Now I realize that liberal dems do not like data, but here is some more for you to chew on.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/count...s?country=~USA
You act like wildfires, hurricanes and other storms are all recent inventions.Quote:
If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.
Top 5 Years with most Violent Tornadoes (F/EF 4/5) 626 total
1974 – 38
1965 – 31
1957 – 26
1953 – 22
2011 – 22
All nice data talking points and rock throwing, but all I want to know is why the dufus lies and you believe it, and defend him?
I guess the same reason you had for believing and defending Obama's lies. Right?
It's disappointing to present solid data and have you just blow it off as "talking points", but it clearly proves that this was a valid statement. "Now I realize that liberal dems do not like data..."
I like data and the research that it entails.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...193-X/fulltext
https://fortune.com/2020/06/11/how-r...of-inequality/
I now know where it is easy to dig up such B/S two articles that say absolutely nothing that will derive a cure for CV19Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah. What garbage. Tal, you don't have any idea what the first article is saying. For instance, what does this mean?
As for the second article, it simply says what we have known for months. Black Americans have been hit harder by the virus than other Americans. It attributes that largely to SES, which is no surprise and basically amounts to saying that poor people are more likely to have problems with the virus.Quote:
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So what's your point, other than to deflect away from the obvious reality that you don't pay any attention to data that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions?
Mr. Biden's top flight mind at work again. Can't wait for the debates where he will have to think on his feet and all of the media not named FoxNews will be scrambling to defend him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8BHFGqlQo
And then there was his reference to, in his view, the supreme importance of the Declaration of Independence. Sadly, he could not remember it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIVJCDwZUkM
no hysterical over reaction hereQuote:
If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.
No empathy from a fellow NYer....Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
the only thing in your comment that is human caused is the wild fires due to poor land management .
And how would YOU have managed the land? Swept (raked?) the forest floor?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
yeah . You can mock him for the way he said it ;but clearing underbrush and controlled (prescribed ) fires in the right weather condition ;creating fire breaks by opening up the lands for recreation purposes like creating hiking trails ;logging old growth trees ,are all a part of logical land management . It is a decades lack of such management that have fueled the intensity of forest fires (which are inevitable and natural occurring events . )
Something else lefties don't like to talk about because it doesn't support their narrative; ; Many of the fires are intentionally set by arsonists .
https://www.khq.com/fires/officials-...5b11bc1ac.html
https://www.wethegoverned.com/who-ar...hington-state/
https://people.com/crime/california-...-ranch-2-fire/
https://sfist.com/2020/08/21/santa-c...e-that-is-now/
https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...e4912ab5191421Well the US is signing on for a stouch with China over the Indian border clashes so we will see which of Trump's losers he sends
You guys are signed on as well. I wish we would learn to mind our own business. Any intervention we provide will be roundly criticized and completely unappreciated. Perhaps we should encourage the Aussies, Japanese, and India to pony up with enough funding to defend themselves rather than counting on us to do it for them.
I'm all for a Quad alliance . It is going to take a coalition to stop China's aggression. It will be too late if we wait for them to expand to our back yard . Did Tibet have a chance to defend themselves against Chinese occupation ? Can all the countries in the South China Sea defend themselves against China ? Australia knows the Chinese are coming after them for their minerals .While the Chinese were weaker they settled for trade agreements . They don't want to rely on the uneven trade practices they have gotten away with .They are approaching the day where they will be able to take what they want . See the 9 dash line to understand that the Chinese could care less about legitimate internationally recognized borders . The US cannot afford to look the other way . Too much shipping freight travels through the South China Sea .
I get your point and it's a valid one, but we cannot continue to overspend by a trillion dollars a year. A day of reckoning is coming. I'm not convinced we can afford to join this when the other three countries are relying on us to keep from having to pull their own weight in defense. We spend 3.4% of GDP on defense. India is at 2.4%, Australia is 1.9%, and Japan less than 1%. That needs to be set right. China, by the way, is at 1.9%.Quote:
The US cannot afford to look the other way .
The spending is a valid point . That has been Trump's beef with the NATO nations . I'll take them one at a time . India .They were non-aligned during the Cold War ,often in the Soviet block As a result we ended up in alliances with nations that were against our interest like Pakistan . India comes from the Anglosphere and should be a natural ally with us .They are the world's largest democracy and are uniquely situated geographically to put an instant stop to Chinese ambitions . This is why the President has put such an emphasis in forging a good relationship with Indian PM Modi .
Japan . I am unsure where they will go now that Abe has announced his retirement . Their defense spending is the result of the end of WWII and our dictate that they don't spend on military. That arrangement is out of date . Japan under Abe was taking the steps to increase their military budget and commitments .They have actively participated in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan . They are on the flank of the 1st island chain containing China's ambition to expand out to the deep Blue Pacific .
Australia clearly underspends on it's military and they know it . June they announced a 40% increase in spending . They recognize the China threat they are facing , and PM Morrison knows it . Australia has ponied up and has had troop commitments and casualties in every conflict we have been involved in for the last 100 years ....and they purchase tons of US military hardware (including that pig the F-35 ....their 1st squadron will be operational next year . ) Some of our most sensitive military training happens in Australia . We joint operate the Pine Gap satellite surveillance base where NSA Echelon basically spied on the world . Economically we are joined at the hip .We are the largest investor in Australia ;and we are also Australia's largest destination for foreign investment . We share their commitment to western democratic governance and institutions . We share their values more than with any other nation .....a commitment to the rule of law, religious liberty, free speech ;debate that provides the foundation for prosperity and security. If I was forced to live anywhere else on the planet ,Australia would be my destination (despite all their flaws like gun control.) China cannot be a wedge in this special relationship.
That is sure a move in the right direction. They have historically been very competent.Quote:
June they announced a 40% increase in spending .
Except that our hip is greatly larger than theirs. But they are certainly a natural ally.Quote:
Economically we are joined at the hip .
Thanks for the vote of confidence Tom but we don't get involved in the conflicts of others for the sake of it and with the CV19 contraction I'm sure our spending is a bigger percentage of the national take because a percentage of GDP is just a meaningless statistic, the question is what bang do you get for your buck
Percentage of gdp is how it’s done. Practically everyone spends less than us but then just expect us to make up the difference. And saying “Thanks,” is a rarity.
The real question is why do you spend as much as you do? Why do you feel the need to dominate the world with your military might? Ok, you have been attacked a couple of times in your history and your history has been a turbulent one of both internal and external conflict but you have no enemies on your borders. Because we have no enemies on our borders we don't feel the need to build up our military power and maintain a standing military numbering millions and you criticise us because we don't do as you do as if you are the standard by which we should measure ourselves. What does the Bible say about those who measure themselves by themselves? it does not say you are wiseQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Certainly, when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves to themselves, they show how foolish they are. 3. 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
You miss the point. I'm the one advocating that we mind our own business and let you guys take care of yourselves, or at least until you are willing to do what it takes to defend yourself. It does strike me as strange for a country with "no enemies on our borders" to be so eager to enter into a defense alliance with us, India, and Japan. Now if the Chinese show up someday, I will be happy to tell you to call someone else for help.
We have been in a defence alliance with you for 70 years or more. We were one of the allies in WWI and WWII, something you seem to forget, as you conveniently do that we were fully committed in both wars before you got off your collective arses, so don't talk to us about holding up our end, we have done that for more than a century. We lack the population you enjoy so our committments seem modest to you, but our committment to our own defence is not small but tempered by both our financial resources and our population. We had a million under arms in WWII, a very large percentage of our population, so when it comes down to it we make the sacrifice, but we do not go around telling other nations how much they should spend on acquiring arms, most of which you provide. We are not slaves to your military-industrial complexQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Have it your way. I am not deriding you guys, but I am saying I am tired of anyone and everyone thinking they have some claim to our help when they are funding their own defense at a rate that's half of ours and seem to delight in expressions such as "before you got off your collective arses." So my solution is for us to mind our own business as we sit on our arses with a balanced budget while you sink or swim on your own. It's like I've said before. We help other nations, and we get insulted in return. It gets old really quickly.
I doubt the covid virus will allow for a balanced budget, any time soon, but has exposed all our weaknesses that have gone unaddressed and left us unprepared to meet it's challenges. Passing the buck is the new normal starting at the top. Playing it down has effectively dumbed us down.
We haven't had a balanced budget in twenty years. The virus is just the latest excuse.
Balanced budget, that concept eludes you, even if you stopped all your military expenditure that wouldn't go half way to balancing your budget. As to you minding your own business, another concept that eludes you. You guys have splinters in your bum from sitting on the fence and when you do get off it, recently you have been getting off on the wrong side. We are allies but nothing says if you pick a fight we have to support youQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Like I said. Have it your way. Honestly, sometimes I think nothing would delight me more than to see arrogant little nations like yours getting clobbered while we get to set that one out as opposed to spilling American blood for a group that has no gratitude and only a boatload of criticism. Now I know we likely won't do that, but it would certainly be justice in action.
Did you expect anything different from the guy you call dufus, he is as dumb as three wooden planks layed end on end as the scots would say. he obviously thinks you are as dumb as he is and just maybe he has a pointQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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