Just look at what you posted above and think if anyone with half a brain would consider having an "honest discussion" with someone who posts pictures of crap. It's completely stupid. And, of course, it's someone else's fault you did so. It's always someone else's fault with you. You can never just step up and take some responsibility for what you did or said. That's why I say it's like having a conversation with a four year old. That's what I would expect from them. I used to have first graders with more sense than that.

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Just look at what you posted above and think if anyone with half a brain would consider having an "honest discussion" with someone who posts pictures of crap. It's completely stupid. And, of course, it's someone else's fault you did so. It's always someone else's fault with you. You can never just step up and take some responsibility for what you did or said. That's why I say it's like having a conversation with a four year old. That's what I would expect from them. I used to have first graders with more sense than that.

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I could have posted this exact same thing to you. Are you willing to start over with us being nice to each other and skip the shaming and other crap? You and I are both intelligent people with lots of interesting life experiences to share on this board.

That's a lie. I've never posted a picture of crap and you know it. What you did above was sick. I love your idea to skip "other crap". Well, you own that one.

Tomorrow. I'm too disgusted to continue this. I'd suggest you review the posts above and decide if that's how you want to do things in your life.

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That's a lie. I've never posted a picture of crap and you know it. What you did above was sick. I love your idea to skip "other crap". Well, you own that one.

Tomorrow. I'm too disgusted to continue this. I'd suggest you review the posts above and decide if that's how you want to do things in your life.

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Might we suggest you do the same. Please stop dog whistling

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You and I are both intelligent people with lots of interesting life experiences to share on this board.

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Ah, Wondergirl - and you were doing so well! We've all had a taste of his intelligence and it's made of bitter stuff. He'll need a lifetime to cleanse himself of all those mean-spirited and hateful ideas he's been cursed with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SjrpfCp30k

Pick any dufus video Tom, he's lying in it.

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Ah, Wondergirl - and you were doing so well! We've all had a taste of his intelligence and it's made of bitter stuff. He'll need a lifetime to cleanse himself of all those mean-spirited and hateful ideas he's been cursed with.

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It's called reverse psychology. It works on two year olds.

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So much for your "honest discussion" proposal. Thankfully, by now I have learned better anyway. None of you amigos are interested in that. Posting pics of poop seems to be your current fascination.

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So much for your "honest discussion" proposal. Thankfully, by now I have learned better anyway. None of you amigos are interested in that. Posting pics of poop seems to be your current fascination.

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That's what I scraped off your head to attempt to save your life and allow you to breathe.

I'll let you guys discuss poop. It holds no fascination with me like it does you. Unfortunate that you were so totally dishonest in calling for honest discussion.

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I'll let you guys discuss poop. It holds no fascination with me like it does you. Unfortunate that you were so totally dishonest in calling for honest discussion.

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I tried to have honest discussions with you in the past but was constantly put down and shamed, so I jumped on your bandwagon.

Nah. You own the "poop wagon". I have nothing to do with that. You asked for honest discussion in a thoroughly dishonest manner. You really don't want it, so you resort to poop.

But I'm ready any time. You said yesterday you wanted to "pick my brain". I said to fire away. Crickets.

You said you wanted an honest discussion. Well fine. Start one not based on poop.

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Nah. You own the "poop wagon". I have nothing to do with that. You asked for honest discussion in a thoroughly dishonest manner. You really don't want it, so you resort to poop.

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I pulled you out from inside the dufus's butt!!! And where's my thanks???

Bout what I figured. Sick comments don't pass for honesty. I just wonder if you are really content with your post. You're a 74 year old woman and this is where you have arrived? 74 years for this? "What do you think about abortion?" "Oh! I pulled someone out of a man's butt, and I can post images of crap! Aren't I the cute one?!" Really??? That's it?

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Bout what I figured. Sick comments don't pass for honesty. I just wonder if you are really content with your post. You're a 26 year old woman and this is where you have arrived? 26 years for this? "What do you think about abortion?" "Oh! I pulled someone out of a man's butt, and I can post images of crap! Aren't I the cute one?!" Really??? That's it?

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Another "constructive" post from you. They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Show me how to post honestly and intelligently, with comments begging for discussion.

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To start with, I wouldn't talk about what is up someone's rear end and post pictures of poop. I would start with a simple, honest question and go from there. "What do you think about so and so?"

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To start with, I wouldn't talk about what is up someone's rear end and post pictures of poop. I would start with a simple, honest question and go from there. "What do you think about so and so?"

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Go for it!

Why do you dislike abortion? What do you find to be unlikable about it?

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Why do you dislike abortion? What do you find to be unlikable about it?

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I have already answered this. I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done. I will not tell anyone else to have one or not. It's none of my business. If that person asks for my advice, I will explore and discuss all the options with her. The final decision is hers.

Totally agree WG, that's about where I stand too. I deleted the totally hilarious response I had written after reading your post.

Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.

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I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.

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Why not?

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Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.

Why not?

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You read my post before I deleted it and wrote the above.

Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together. It really is a sickening obsession.

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Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together.

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While I'm at the shrink, can you answer the questions I asked?

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?

You want to keep the snark going or respond to WG and my attempt at honest discussion? Makes me no difference.

WG: I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.

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Why not?

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A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.

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It really is a sickening obsession.

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Geez louise! They paraphrased/reworded your fascination with 45. Get a grip!

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You want to keep the snark going

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If you don't like the snark, then don't start it. It's not my sickening obsession.

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A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.

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If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?

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If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?

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If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?

Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.

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Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.

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You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".

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If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?

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No he's not covid safe

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No he's not covid safe

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You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".

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They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.

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They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.

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You change the subject all the time!!! And I have absolutely no idea what I would do if I were under the pressures you mentioned. I am NOT fearful and evasive. I've always made it a point NOT to be in a bad place in my life.

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They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.

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No I think it's the personal attacks that makes people wary, and then the way you turn the blame on them that is the real turn off. Case in point YOU changed the subject to your peeve all the time and blast anyone who disagrees with your position, yet blame the poster?

You seem obsessed to be right and relentless to prove it. Personally I don't care because it's just you being you, and it matters little if the trash talk gets escalated or not. Others not so much. I rather like it when you start dodging and weaving looking for an answer you ain't got myself. You do it to everybody else but hate it when it's done to you, so maybe take your tired a$$ to bed because that's what cranky kids are supposed to do.

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They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues.

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Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?

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Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

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No the Doctor should be charged with murder and woman as accessory

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all research into early childhoos should be funded

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Abortions are legal with certain restrictions, so where is the violation of law?

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The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.