Nope. Your lying just keep going.
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Nope. Your lying just keep going.
That makes no sense. You ARE running out of steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It would be interesting to compare your statements against my "lies".
I'd be happy to. Let's start with my supposed statement from months ago where I didn't know what "ad hominem" meant. Can you point that out?
I have far better ones. Keep watching this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So just another lie. Sad.
For those that need to know about systemic racism.
https://www.justsecurity.org/70507/white-supremacist-infiltration-of-us-police-forces-fact-checking-national-security-advisor-obrien/
https://popculture.com/trending/news...-infiltration/
It is just another way of saying racist, to a minority every thing is racistQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I wonder why some people here find such a simple search so difficult? When these people continue asking what is systemic racism and refuse to do a simple search as you have done, they are telling us who they are and what they really believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I wonder why people here cannot answer simple questions? Is it that you actually have no idea of what you're talking about? And links to some site called "Popculture.com" is not impressive. No, I'm not going there.
Here's some systemic racism for you.
Black model gets fired from agency after proudly attending pro-Trump conference
https://thegrio.com/2018/11/07/black..._nHAgn36gMYNvY
Try this site and look at the 25 charts), from https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...le-for-years-1Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
***It's called "systemic" racism because it's ingrained in nearly every way people move through society in the policies and practices at institutions like banks, schools, companies, government agencies, and law enforcement.
The resulting data show that these disparities exist along nearly every facet of American life, including employment, wealth, education, home ownership, healthcare, and incarceration.***
Your link doesn't work.
Those are the kind of simplistic statements that should concern all of us. For instance, black men are more likely to be jailed. That sounds like some kind of racism until you factor in that black men are also more likely to commit crimes. And do you suppose that could be the result of absent fathers? So I'm all for looking at these issues so long as it's done in an honest and thorough manner.Quote:
***It's called "systemic" racism because it's ingrained in nearly every way people move through society in the policies and practices at institutions like banks, schools, companies, government agencies, and law enforcement.
It's easy to google....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A black man was recently killed by police when dancing as he walked along, headphones on, listening to music. A black man was shot by white "vigilantes" while jogging. A black man was shot and killed by police after he fell asleep at a Wendy's driveup. Had those been white men, would they have been killed for dancing while walking or jogging or sleeping in a fast-food driveup? It's apparently not good to be black while shopping or driving or picnicking or birdwatching or sitting in your front yard or watching tv in your living room.Quote:
Those are the kind of simplistic statements that should concern all of us. For instance, black men are more likely to be jailed. That sounds like some kind of racism until you factor in that black men are also more likely to commit crimes. And do you suppose that could be the result of absent fathers? So I'm all for looking at these issues so long as it's done in an honest and thorough manner.
no it is an appauling state of affairs but when you have a two race nation problems are sure to occur
We aren't a two-race nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
one race is vocal enough to make you wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Would you be happy if he had been shot by black people?Quote:
A black man was shot by white "vigilantes" while jogging.
You mean after he got up, resisted arrest, stole one officer's taser, took off running, and fired the taser at one of the officers??? You see why I said we need to discuss these issues in an honest fashion?Quote:
A black man was shot and killed by police after he fell asleep at a Wendy's driveup.
You failed to mention the 7 thousand or so black people murdered every year by other black people. Oh, I forgot. You don't care about them. Is it because there's no political advantage to be gained by their deaths?
Thank you for illustrating the mistake of simplistic views of this subject.Quote:
It's apparently not good to be black while shopping or driving or picnicking or birdwatching or sitting in your front yard or watching tv in your living room.
Now why would that happen, do you think? White on white, white on black, black on black, black on white. it is all killing and each one no more desirable than the other. No blacks when killed by whites are a special caseQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, blacks killed by cops is the issue. Nobody is disputing or happy with black on black crime, largely gang violence, fed by poverty and racists policy and practices over decades.*
*Verifiable personal attack deleted in the interest of HONEST discussion!
You know Tal if blacks decided they would not kill another black the crime rate would drop and cops would have less need to fear the next black man they encounter has a gun, but in reality the problem is cops carrying guns and cops trained to use deadly force. Surely not every cop needs a side armQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Every cop does have a side arm and they are trained not to just kill but serve and protect. The real issue if people would listen is nobody looks at why they kill, or why they keep it such a secret when they do kill. Why it gets covered up and swept under the rug, and if mistakes are made why aren't there any actions taken for justice at all. That's the issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elijah_McClain
Too many cases like this should disturb anybody. All that other stuff is but a distraction from THIS ISSUE. 3 cops against a skinny 130 pound guy?
Clete, that's a great point. Tal will reject it since it does not fit his "killer cops" narrative, and since it would require an acceptance of personal responsibility and discipline, both of which are not popular subjects for liberal dems, but it has FAR more potential for good than any other crime related action which could be taken.Quote:
You know Tal if blacks decided they would not kill another black the crime rate would drop and cops would have less need to fear the next black man they encounter has a gun, but in reality the problem is cops carrying guns and cops trained to use deadly force. Surely not every cop needs a side arm.
How come you don't demand cops be responsible and discipline when dealing with black people? Just gave you a link where 3 cops jumped on a 130 pound black guy for no reason and he ends up dead and it's just swept under the rug. Of course you don't care about that at all since your peeve is those black people you can blame for their own problems. Hey crime happens to everybody everywhere but cops shouldn't be part of the problem should they?
As I have said a million times, I'm all for dealing with rogue cops.
As for you link, do you ever bother to read what you link? Ever????? Your representation of the event is as fake as I can imagine. Here's what your own link stated. Read this and see if 3 cops "jumped on a 130 pound black guy for no reason and he ends up dead." Don't you have any consideration at all for the truth?
"The three police officers who were involved in the incident[1] said that their body cameras were knocked off during a struggle with him. While being held to the ground by police, paramedics administered ketamine to sedate McClain, who then went into cardiac arrest."
Now they might be guilty for all I know, but when a paramed has to administer a sedative to calm someone down, then something fairly extreme is going on.
Remember the Bubba Wallace incident. That's why we do investigations.
What was the reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And my name is Tinkerbell.Quote:
"The three police officers who were involved in the incident[1] said that their body cameras were knocked off during a struggle with him.
He was already handcuffed and why oh why ketamine???Quote:
While being held to the ground by police, paramedics administered ketamine to sedate McClain, who then went into cardiac arrest."
The "extreme" was on the cops' and paramedics' end, not the hapless victim's. He wasn't guilty of anything except being happy while listening to music.Quote:
Now they might be guilty for all I know, but when a paramed has to administer a sedative to calm someone down, then something fairly extreme is going on.
I wonder if we read the same articles? Black guy walking down the street running an errand going home gets in a struggle with 3 cops. Okay you explain how minding your own business gets you in a struggle with 3 cops?
Read the link.Quote:
What was the reason?
I've long suspected that.Quote:
And my name is Tinkerbell.
I don't know. The point of my reply was that Tal's ridiculous description that the cops just jumped on this guy out of nowhere and killed him is simply not true. I'm not saying nothing wrong was done. That's possible, but his description was about as silly as your description of, " A black man was shot and killed by police after he fell asleep at a Wendy's driveup."Quote:
He was already handcuffed and why oh why ketamine???
No, Tal, we don't read the same articles. You don't read them at all. If you did, you would know the answer to this. "Okay you explain how minding your own business gets you in a struggle with 3 cops?"
Now that could be a topic worthy of discussion.Quote:
The real issue if people would listen is nobody looks at why they kill, or why they keep it such a secret when they do kill. Why it gets covered up and swept under the rug, and if mistakes are made why aren't there any actions taken for justice at all. That's the issue.
Yes, it is. That's what they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"He was walking home from a convenience store with an iced tea. Like Tamir Rice, the police were summoned to accost him for noncriminal behavior: in this case, wearing a ski mask (McClain was anemic and often donned extra layers to keep warm) and waving his arms, perhaps in time to music in the headphones he reportedly was using."
https://theweek.com/articles/921867/...elijah-mcclain
Kind of left out the part about resisting arrest. Makes your carefully edited account fake news.
He wasn't resisting arrest. He was trying to get out from under after they threw him to the ground and piled on top of him. He was only 140 lbs. And they had already handcuffed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Oh yeah. They just decided to throw him down and pile on top of him. Yeah. Police do that all the time. Now on the other hand, does it seem much more believable that he was resisting arrest, which would explain the sedative?
Resisting arrest for what?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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The same caller affirmed during the call that he did not believe McClain was armed and that he did not believe any person, including McClain, was in immediate danger. According to police, when they confronted McClain, he resisted and attempted to reach for an officer's gun during the struggle. An attorney representing McClain's family said officers involved slammed McClain into a wall immediately after apprehending him.[9]
I will post it again: He was walking home from a convenience store with an iced tea.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Police apparently did not like how he was sidestepping and bouncing to music while he walked along
How would YOU react, JL, after they threw you to the ground and cuffed you?
You can post your story ten more times if you want to. It wouldn't make it any more correct. You are leaving important details out.Quote:
I will post it again: He was walking home from a convenience store with an iced tea.
Police apparently did not like how he was sidestepping and bouncing to music while he walked along
How would YOU react, JL, after they threw you to the ground and cuffed you?
Yeah right, a 130 pound skinny black guy made 3 cops lose all their cameras while trying to take one of their guns? Why was he being arrested? Can't seem to find that anywhere. Looks like we have to investigate the EMT's too since he was in handcuffs when they sedated him. Maybe we reform that too practice too while we're at it. I didn't know sedating suspects was as widespread as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Police in Aurora, Colo. stopped 23-year-old Elijah McClain because of a report about a suspicious person wearing a ski mask. His family says he wore it to keep warm. Bodycam video captured the arrest which preceded his death.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://abc7ny.com/elijah-mcclain-mc...urora/6272187/
Back in my day WG we called that rousting. They still roust all the black guys who fit the description of a black guy that commits a crime.
no doubt they roust white guys who fit the description of a white guy who commits a crime, A black guy wearing a sky mask and it wasn't winter, supicious, tell me, do black guys not think? I would expect anyone in a sky mask would get rousted, afterall the constitution doesn't say you have the right to cover your faceQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If that were the case Clete we wouldn't be protesting racist cops.
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