Mission accomplished in NY maybe, but have you forgotten how big this country is? Lot of those places you fly over will be hotspots eventually, and some are vital to the food chain.
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Mission accomplished in NY maybe, but have you forgotten how big this country is? Lot of those places you fly over will be hotspots eventually, and some are vital to the food chain.
Well, we can't stay shut down forever. Gotta bite the bullet at some point.
SAFE is the key word here, if you want workers, and people spending money like it grows on trees.
safe, yes hide in your bed
already said we know much more about how to respond, and Clete is right you can't hide forever wrapped in mylar or sealed in a bubble.Quote:
Mission accomplished in NY maybe, but have you forgotten how big this country is? Lot of those places you fly over will be hotspots eventually, and some are vital to the food chain.
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The virus is not going away any time soon .We will be fortunate if this hangs around for 2 years .We have to do what humans have always done . Adapt ;protect the vulnerable as best we can ;and live our lives .
Don't even talk about NY . Il duce has had the worse response of any governor in the nation.
The dufus empowered him for sure, I mean what's a governor to do when the prez disappears on you? Who ya gonna call?
The adaption we have is quarantine and isolate, so I hope the boss understands that when workers call in sick. Not a good time to repeal Obamacare, and have NO replacement. Can I sue the boss for an unsafe workplace? Or call my union rep? Yeah that's what adapting looks like.
My company can't be sued. We take temp upon entering ;wear masks and other ppe all day long ,have hand sanitizing stations throughout the work place , have separation in the work stations where practical ,and scatter breaks so the locker rooms and cafeteria's have room . and we have had our share of C-19 cases .
You guys are nuts to think that shutting down the country will solve this . When no one is working no one has medical insurance Obamacare or otherwise . Someone has to pay for it .
This virus is the lib wet dream ,a perfect Cloward -Piven scenario.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clowar...Piven_strategy
I'm not fooled . Our permanent dependency of the government for our existence is in your grasps.
The magic words.Quote:
Someone has to pay for it .
One of these days a liberal dem is going to take responsibility for his/her own actions, and I'm probably going to faint in amazement.Quote:
The dufus empowered him for sure, I mean what's a governor to do when the prez disappears on you? Who ya gonna call?
Nice spin, if we weren't making it harder to vote, harder to get assistance, harder to get health care, and harder to make a living by working, and harder to pay for goods and services. Those basic things we need regardless of jobs or wages. Yeah I get someone has to pay for it, but that last line is kind of crazy since government is the foundation for the organization of society. Always has been for humans and always will be for better or worse. I understand your dependence on big biz though or is it preference in who governs what?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Big Biz had some good marketing with the notion of job creators to get special unfettered treatment and control of government or more specifically the flow and circulation of cash, which right or wrong they get the lions share, and the worker split what's left. I get capitalism.
All our governing laws say those things are the domain of the people through elections in which big biz buys too. Of course you capitalists federalists believe states are better than your country, on their own. I get that too. Tell Cuomo to stop sending NY money to Mississippi.
He should keep his own money for NY'ers.
il duce should stop complaining . He likes the progressive tax system where high earners pay the most . Just so happens that NY has a lot of high earners . NY state also taxes the beejeezus out of them too,. You would think then that NY should not always be in a position where they are in the red and begging for bailouts .
As for the Federal transfers ;they are not mostly farm subsidies . They come from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, food stamps, welfare, the maintenance of the national highway system. A lot of your retirees leave those high taxed blue states because they just can't afford to live in them on fixed incomes .
I would like to propose to il Duce some reforms that could shift the balance of payments . Flatten the taxes make them much less "progressive" . enact reforms in Social Security ;Medicare ,Medicaid , food stamps ;return social services to the states .Down size the Federal Government;reduce the Federal work force . Have states take over national parks or privatize them . Blue states allocate huge swaths of land that can be turned into military bases . Those states that host bases get a lot of transfer money from il Duce's NY .
I like it . Don't you ?
some perspective . Last year there were 80,000 flu deaths in the US WITH a Vaccine and no shutdown of the world economy.
Elections are coming so we get the chance to vote our conscious, or wallets.
Current perspective, already over 100,000 deaths before mid year with everybody stuck at home. If we had ignored it and did the so what, business as usual thing, can we speculate what the death count would be? We are still learning about the long term effects of those that have recovered. I guess if things turn south you are for making people work through it like Mitch wants us to because he only sees one more relief package in our futures. His mind is made up for sure and yours seems to lean right with him.Quote:
some perspective . Last year there were 80,000 flu deaths in the US WITH a Vaccine and no shutdown of the world economy.
Repubs are favoring back to work bonuses though, and I guess we'll see how this goes.
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The great shortcoming of liberal politics. "How do we pay for all of this?"
I suppose the same way we pay for tax breaks, bailouts, and deductions, corporate windfalls, of course. Or we sell more bonds to China. We could raise taxes too. Where there is a will there is a way.
So you're OK with having your taxes raised?
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Does it matter if I do or not? If the elected government passes a tax hike and I get affected then what can a citizen do? One would hope they leave the seniors alone but you never know.
The government much eventually restore equity, that means higher taxes or less spending or both. You should change the name to Utopia Lost becuase it is clear the states are not united
In your earlier response you said, "We could raise taxes." I guess you meant just on everyone else?
No I said we could raise taxes period. Nothing specific. Just an option for paying debts as were the other suggestions.
What you don't realise is the bill must be paid somehow, and putting it off until tomorrow and expecting inflation to take care of it isn't the answer, this crisis is just a small taste of what happens when an economy collapses and it can happen in an instant, anytime nature takes a hand, and nature has many weapons in the arsenal, and none can be resisted. You might be able to resist the external enemy, but the enemy within you cannot. We have seen the enemy and he is us
Well said, and we won't make any progress until we buy into that.Quote:
We have seen the enemy and he is us
The wisdom of PogoQuote:
We have seen the enemy and he is us
But we are going to blame them! There is always a THEM to blame.Quote:
We have seen the enemy and he is us
So very true. It makes life easier in the short term.Quote:
But we are going to blame them! There is always a THEM to blame.
Brings back a few memories!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It was in an earth day comic . But I believe Pogo author Walt Kelly had used it before . The original saying was from Commander Perry in the Battle of Lake Erie . (we have met the enemy and he is ours ) .
Here is the comic I remember . https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D
POGO was a regular strip in the comics section of my local paper back in the day. Your memory amazes me yet again.
Back to the OP Trump is obviously self medicating on something
His own self interests and ego driven agenda of course.
Today the nation was treated to Trump dipping his toe into the waters of dictatorship. His use of an 1807 law was misapplied, no doubt on the advice of fatman Barr.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I seem to remember the last president to invade the states had a long war
I answered Trumps legitimate use of the Insurrection act in the other post . Suffice it to say when it was used to put down union organizing it was misused . When it is used because local leaders are afraid to confront pajama boys nihilists on the streets throwing gasoline in Bud light bottles then it is up to the Federal Government to protect life ,and the property of the people .
Those pajama boys nihilists are now uncovered to be white supremacists posing as antifa.
again by whom ? I have seen no proof . They disguise themselves real good with their girly man jeans .
You have no proof that ANTIFA was involved and neither does the dufus. That never stopped him before though so what's your excuse?
Is this proof enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-takes...230300318.html
More where that came from. Google for yourself.
Your link only applied to a fake Twitter account. I don't think there is any evidence that White Supremacists (all 75 of them) are on the streets faking it as violent Antifa members.
There are a lot more than 75 white supremists. Didn't use the caps on purpose.
Yeah, I'm sure there are, but there's not many. Ever see any of their demonstrations? If two dozen show up, it's a big turnout.
This Antifa group is just the latest manifestation in a long line of leftist agitator groups going back at least to SDS or Weather Underground that led riots in the 60s ;and 2 of them Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were mentors to the community agitator ,the emperor . Their favorite weapon back then was the bomb. They kept up their domestic terror activities until at least the Brinks job in 1981 . It is a clever deception and false flag to say that White extremists are doing the attacks. Nothing on Twitter can be taken at face value . They have already demonstrated their political biases .
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