Here's another example of a so-called lie from the Post. "I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they're doing. They've been doing a great job. I guess we're close to 90 percent anyway. And the states that we're talking about are not in jeopardy. No, I would leave it to the governors.”

The Post took issue with that since any state could become a hotspot and thus is in jeapordy. That's like saying that a volcano could erupt in any state at any time, and so no state is really safe. Another ridiculous example. So no, I don't accept the silly figure of 18,000 lies. And by the way, the Post said "lies and misleading statements", which is another fly in the ointment.

The dufus can take whatever he wants and finding someone to write him a script AND monitor him through it is his business. You have the same choice to make between you and your own doctor, but realize that if it doesn't work as planned tough, and if it does, good for you. That same data and much more doesn't show what the dufus says though, his miracle drugs actually works. I know everybody and his mama is giving it a try mostly from desperation and a lack of other good options and why not? Aren't we pretty helpless against this viral invader?

I suspect the point of the exercise from the dufus is to convince you that taking this miracle drug will allow you to get your arses back to work faster, and safely. The illogic here is though while a doctor can treat side effects pretty well, you must report them first, and no surprise doctors prefer administering this drug in a hospital setting so a patient can be monitored, and dosages and treatments adjusted and that's the key here. The science is down for safely taking this drug for certain conditions and medical issues, but not for this virus. All the links presented by our members bear that out quite well, and should not be ignored despite the news of what others intend to do.

Ignore the numbers of sickness and deaths as the latest data shows a rise, and all the common sense instructions slow walked to the public from the CDC, after being scrubbed by this WH, and get our economy rolling again, so he can have his main political talking point back.

As we know he also is threatening states that consider allowing for mail in voting citing fraud as a huge issue, but we all know repubs have done everything to close more dmv's in minority zip codes, and create long lines in minority zip codes to suppress the vote. I mean the dufus has said that the more people that vote the less likely a repub can get elected, and that's always been the repub party mantra and tactics that go with it. Repubs have signaled how far they will go to suppress the vote and have done so in many ways and not to say dems don't have their own tricks and traps, but nowhere as onerous as repubs to date.

No secret my solution to our problems is dump the dufus and his sycophants and give us the best chance to be great again. 3 years and counting is more than enough of this nonsense for me.

And here's the next one. “The military shelves were also empty. We had no ammunition, literally. And that was said by one of your favorite generals. 'We have -- sir, we have no ammunition.'” Even the Post agrees that Trump was highlighting a legit problem. He is guilty of exaggeration, but I imagine he felt he was speaking to people who understood that the military was not out of bullets in absolute terms. A lie? Hardly.


Now Chuck Todd's discussion of Barr's comments is a good example of either lying or journalistic utter incompetence.

And then the next one. “Our. Our. It means the United States of America. And then we take that 'our' and we distribute it to the states.” The Post goes on to say that Trump was covering for his son in law's statement from the previous day and calls it "misleading spin". Yeah, like no pol ever engages in "misleading spin".

If you really want me to take this stuff seriously, then you'll have to do a lot better than that load of garbage.

In the meantime, Biden is reportedly strongly considering that famous porn-author Stacey Abrams to be his VP pick. But that would preclude the support of one on this board who stated, "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Yep. That would rule out Ms. Abrams, even with her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something, but then if a record of achievement was really important, Biden wouldn't be the nominee.

And here's the next supposed big whopper. "Now, they [New York] had a chance to order ventilators over the years. They had a chance to order a very big -- but they didn't choose to do it....I wish they did the original orders three years ago. They would've had all the ventilators they needed.” There is nothing false about that statement. This was, they say, repeated six times, so it counts as six "lies or misleading statements". That's true of most of their examples. Say the same statement ten times, and they will count it as ten and not one.

Lunacy. The 18,000 figure is shown clearly to be liberal fantasy.

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Now Chuck Todd's discussion of Barr's comments is a good example of either lying or journalistic utter incompetence.

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For which he apologized and you refuse to forgive.

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...Ms. Abrams, even with her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something, but then if a record of achievement was really important, Biden wouldn't be the nominee.

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She's written seven romantic suspense novels and three non-fiction books, all available on Amazon. Also, all of her books are on the database WorldCat (OCLC), and were published by large, reputable publishers. Wikipedia lists her many other political and business/legal achievements.

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She's written seven romantic suspense novels and three non-fiction books, all available on Amazon.

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She writes romance novels? Well then of course she should be VP. She's written six books (total sales about 100,000 so not big hits) about nothing of real importance. The title of one of them is The Art of Desire. I wonder what that's about?

I notice you did not touch this: "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Any thoughts on that comment from your buddy, especially as it would relate to Abrams?

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His statement was that, "it's looking like it's having some good results." There is plenty of evidence to support that. To say it's a lie is ridiculous, and it makes it obvious that those 18,000 lies are more a matter of a difference of opinion.

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It was a half-truth. Can't you read?

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She writes romance novels? Well then of course she should be VP. She's written six books (total sales about 100,000 so not big hits) about nothing of real importance. The title of one of them is The Art of Desire. I wonder what that's about?

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You can read the summary of it on Amazon.

I have several friends who are published romance authors and who write intriguing stories. That genre is quite popular in Libraryland. We had patrons who brought in shopping bags that they filled up with romances, both hardcover and paperback, then checked them out.

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I notice you did not touch this: "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Any thoughts on that comment from your buddy, especially as it would relate to Abrams?

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It wasn't a comment to follow up on. Miss Abrams doesn't "tell the rest of us how to act and what to do." Please read up on all her successful initiatives. If you'd accomplished all she has, I'd vote for YOU, JL.

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Here's another example of a so-called lie from the Post. "I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they're doing. They've been doing a great job. I guess we're close to 90 percent anyway.

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Close to 90 percent???????

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The Post took issue with that since any state could become a hotspot and thus is in jeapordy. That's like saying that a volcano could erupt in any state at any time, and so no state is really safe. Another ridiculous example.

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What is ridiculous is your volcano comparison. Next.

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So no, I don't accept the silly figure of 18,000 lies.

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Hmmm. You don't like 2 or 3 so, in your mind, all 18,000 are "silly"? I notice how you avoided the obvious ones, keying on the half-truths and the misleading ones. And how about the 5 or 10 other sources who documented Trump's lies?

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And by the way, the Post said "lies and misleading statements", which is another fly in the ointment.

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Only you know what that's supposed to mean. Have you gotten to all the lies yet? Or just a few.

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If you really want me to take this stuff seriously, then you'll have to do a lot better than that load of garbage.

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That "load of garbage" contains just about every lie that Trump has told during his presidency. You can cherry-pick all you want, but you can't undo the lies your hero has made.

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Porn author?? Did you really say that?

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that would preclue the support of one on this board who stated, "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Yep. That would rule out Ms. Abrams

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No, it doesn't rule her out. Sorry. She is a good, talented woman. I never rule out good talented human beings. I rule out evil people - you know, like Barr and Pompeo, and your boy Trump.

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her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something

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Of course, it does. Why don't you look it up?

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Hmmm. You don't like 2 or 3 so, in your mind, all 18,000 are "silly"?

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I looked at the first five or six. None were legit. Period. So I decided that looking at the other several thousand would be an exercise in nonsense.

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Porn author?? Did you really say that?

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Here is an excerpt from The Art of Desire. See what you think. "‘Love me,’ he demanded, taking her up once more.Afraid she did, Kell kissed him, a merger that spoke words she wasn’t ready to say aloud.
Arousal, ravenous and craven, bent to a stronger, more fragile need that consumed her. She opened for him, and he plunged inside, dragging her to him.
The rhythm caught them both, drove them to demand then offer. Endlessly, wonderfully, they fell into the greedy darkness and fought to give more than either could have imagined. An explosion, his, hers, theirs, brought twin cries and release."

Yeah. That's a really serious book.

You see, rather than just be for her since she's a liberal dem, you might want to actually look up evidence on the web. You can find more excerpts here. Who knows? She might be your kind of woman. https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/02...#disqus_thread

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Of course, it does. Why don't you look it up?

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You no doubt know all about her accomplishments except, of course, that you don't and can't name a single thing other than writing porn novels.

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Well it most certainly does. Those are your words. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table..." Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

BTW, I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I voted for him since the dems could evidently find no one more suitable to the task that HC. I'll vote for him again rather than vote for JB, a man who is far, far past his prime, if he ever had one.

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It wasn't a comment to follow up on. Miss Abrams doesn't "tell the rest of us how to act and what to do." Please read up on all her successful initiatives. If you'd accomplished all she has, I'd vote for YOU, JL.

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Of course it wasn't. Fat-shaming is perfectly fine as long as one of the three amigos does it. She doesn't tell us how to act? Really? Read the link below and then come back and talk about that.

Her successful initiatives? Funny that you don't seem to know any. Read up on them? Why should I do your work? You're the one saying she has accomplished great things without being able to name a single one.

I hope you steered your library customers away from "romance" novels and onto something that might actually profit their lives.


https://www.ontheissues.org/Stacey_Abrams.htm

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I looked at the first five or six. None were legit. Period. So I decided that looking at the other several thousand would be an exercise in nonsense.

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You looked at 5 or 6, then decided the remaining thousands were nonsense? You're quite the Houdini, aren't you? What you DID do was look at many, found ones that were only half-truths, and dropped the outright lies. Now THAT'S being a Houdini!

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Here is an excerpt from The Art of Desire. See what you think. "‘Love me,’ he demanded, taking her up once more.Afraid she did, Kell kissed him, a merger that spoke words she wasn’t ready to say aloud.
Arousal, ravenous and craven, bent to a stronger, more fragile need that consumed her. She opened for him, and he plunged inside, dragging her to him.
The rhythm caught them both, drove them to demand then offer. Endlessly, wonderfully, they fell into the greedy darkness and fought to give more than either could have imagined. An explosion, his, hers, theirs, brought twin cries and release."

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I quoted your entire paragraph so others could see what you determine is pornography. As usual, you have revealed yourself unwittingly. You're really just a dirty old man, aren't you?

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Yeah, that's a really serious book.

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Nobody said it was literature. Romance genre was the comment.

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You see, rather than just be for her since she's a liberal dem

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now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

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Do I detect a bit of racism here? If so, it's not surprising.

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BTW, I am not a fan of Donald Trump.

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This is the funniest thing you've ever said. A reminder of the old saying, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck."

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You looked at 5 or 6, then decided the remaining thousands were nonsense? You're quite the Houdini, aren't you? What you DID do was look at many, found ones that were only half-truths, and dropped the outright lies. Now THAT'S being a Houdini!

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I looked at the FIRST five or six, and I'm sure that is five or six more than you looked at. And yeah, looking at the next few thousand did seem pretty foolish. When you've finished reviewing them, give us a summary.

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I quoted your entire paragraph so others could see what you determine is pornography. As usual, you have revealed yourself unwittingly. You're really just a dirty old man, aren't you?

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It was actually not my paragraph. It was HER paragraph. Now perhaps you don't think that is porn. That's fine if you want to be blind, but as usual, when you are wrong, then someone else is at fault. But like I said, I really think she might be your kind of woman.

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Nobody said it was literature. Romance genre was the comment.

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So it's not literature, and Romance is not a genre of literature? Wow. Glad to find that out. Be sure to tell WG.

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I never said I'm for her as VP - doing your Houdini bit again?

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I didn't say you wanted her to be VP, so learn to read more carefully. I just said you were "for her" which you plainly seem to be and clearly leaped right up to her defense. But if you are not, then fine. I'm glad to find that out.

I'm still embarrassed for you to come out as a liberal dem and yet fat shame people the way you did. Whatever you do, don't repeat that line at any of the progressive parties you go to. You will be put upon severely. 8D

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It was actually not my paragraph. It was HER paragraph. Now perhaps you don't think that is porn. That's fine if you want to be blind, but as usual, when you are wrong, then someone else is at fault. But like I said, I really think she might be your kind of woman.

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You apparently have never seen or read porn. That doesn't even come close. I suggest you take a ride over to your public library and look through their romance collection. Oh, and be sure to check out and read a book in 364.1523. If you consider Selena Montgomery's romances porn, there's a whole new adventure ahead of you!

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So it's not literature, and Romance is not a genre of literature? Wow. Glad to find that out. Be sure to tell WG.

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You had said: Yeah, that's a really serious book. Thus, Athos' reply. You are twisting his words and their meaning.

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You apparently have never seen or read porn. That doesn't even come close. I suggest you take a ride over to your public library and look through their romance collection. Oh, and be sure to check out and read a book in 364.1523. If you consider Selena Montgomery's romances porn, there's a whole new adventure ahead of you!

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Any vivid description of sex outside of science lit qualifies as porn. Did you bother to read the other excerpts I linked?

His response was, "Nobody said it was literature." Would anyone have needed to? It's trash in my view, but you are welcome to believe it is a serious work if you want to.

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Time to make a law forbidding women from reading romances. That's what gets them "in the mood." Oops, now she's unexpectedly and unhappily pregnant, and wants an abortion -- all because those scintillating romantic romps she was reading got her juices flowing, and she delighted her husband with new adventures in their bedroom. Yup, gotta outlaw those romance novels! No romance, no pregnancies.

Yep. Time to see a doctor for sure.

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Yep. Time to see a doctor for sure.

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Nope, no more real-life romps for the invigorated readers!

Cancel your subscription to cable folks it's filled with sex drugs and rock and roll but mostly porn and foul language.

strange how art mirrors life

Not so strange given people do what they do and express it in all kinds of ways. Like all those necked ancient statutes and painting that are considered art.

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Some confusion here since this drug has been shown to be effective in treating the infected, logic may suggest it might be a preventative and in India malaria is endemic so I can see why they might use it but should I take penicillin also just in case

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No you can build resistance to penicillin .

Hydroxychloroquine on the other hand has been used as a preventive for years against malaria .

Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals and the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford will be conducting a clinical trial using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine on health care workers who are exposed to C-19 patients The trial involves researchers from the UK, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Italy .The trial is open to anyone delivering direct care to C-19 patients in the UK, as long as they have not been diagnosed with C-19.There will be 40,000 people in the study. It will test whether the drugs can prevent healthcare workers exposed to the virus from contracting it.

It is amazing to me that a potential treatment is mired in politics to the point that it is affecting the study of the drug. Dr Jon Giles ,a clinical researcher and epidemiologist at Columbia University was ready to begin a study in April .Initially he was getting plenty of calls from interested participants . But when he was ready to begin ;he found that subjects were telling him the garbage they have been hearing about the drug on TV and seeing on the net ;that the drug is dangerous to your heart and that it is dangerous . Just a month before that patients who regularly take the drug could not fulfill their prescriptions ;the demand for the drug being so high . Then the committee that was overseeing the study gave him a new requirement ;that all participants had to have had an ECG within the last year . He gave up on the study even though he knew from prescribing the drug for years that heart problems were not an issue with his patients.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/85926...rch-volunteers


This is happening all over the nation . Politics has become a hinderance to good science. Studies have been cancelled or delayed not because it is bad science . The perception is that if the President touts it then it must be bad .

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That is so true. Better that the drug not work so the pres looks bad than for the drug to work and the pres look good. The objective is that at all costs, Trump will look bad.

In the meantime, Biden has now accepted the role of deciding who gets to be called "black".

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Biden is a card board cut out .His participation in the election will be insignificant . The election is Trump v Trump. It is a referendum on how he did his 1st 3 1/2 years . All I keep on hearing is how quid pro Joe is out polling Trump. But those polls miss the point. Very few can be persuaded . It all comes down again to a hand full of swing states . If "quid" doesn't win PA he is toast . The electoral math gets too complicated .

PA (except for the collar counties of Philly ) is an energy state ,including his home town of Scranton ..... So what does the Einstein do ? He names the 2 commies AOC and Bolshevik Bernie as his climate change task force advisors last week . The 2 of them despise fracking and carbon energy . GENIOUS !!! "Quid" had indicated he wanted a middle ground to which AOC squawked at a Biden rally "I will be damned, if the same politicians who refused to act (in past decades) are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle of the road approach to save our lives."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bernie-sanders-green-new-deal-rally/index.html

He can't have it both ways . He is a gaffe machine but no one on the other side will be persuaded by the things he says or the creepy way he has abused women and young girls over the years .

Yawn...let me know when you find some real science, real facts, and real news. High hopes, anecdotes just don't cut it. There is a real purpose for hydroxy, several as a matter of fact, just not verified for covid19. Studies and trials generally take years so relax on the warp speed crap from the snake oils salesman. Anything to get those minorities and poor people back to work and not give 'em any gobment handouts.

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" Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

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The above is a fascinating quote from Jl as he criticizes Stacey Abrams.

We already knew Jl is a misogynist, based on his need for Biblical approval for a job for his wife, his hatred of democrats and liberals is well-known, but his inclusion of "black" among his negatives is one many of us suspected. The racist in him can't be hidden forever even tho hoods and dunce caps are no longer the thing. These days it's more hidden and subtle.

Redneck racist can now be added to his other epithet of "Judas" (for his joy in betraying Christ by condemning billions of humans to eternal torture in an eternal hell).

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" Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."



The above is a fascinating quote from Jl as he criticizes Stacey Abrams.

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You must remember that my "fascinating quote" was a response to this hateful remark of yours. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." When I asked you if that ruled out Ms. Abrams, you of course felt it didn't. Well, she certainly fits your description, so you'll need to tell us why she gets a free pass from you.

The rest of your rant was just the usual attempt to deflect attention away from your cruel comment. You engaged in fat-shaming and I'm really surprised to see a dyed in the wool liberal like you do such a thing. I suppose you consider yourself superior to everyone heavier than you?

Your final sentence is just an example of your shameless tendency to make up a quote and then attribute it to me. You really should try writing fiction. You're off to a great start!! Stacy Abrams could probably give you some pointers.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...f&x=1396&y=896

[QUOTE=jlisenbe;3853292]You must remember that my "fascinating quote" was a response to this hateful remark of yours. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." When I asked you if that ruled out Ms. Abrams, you of course felt it didn't. Well, she certainly fits your description, so you'll need to tell us why she gets a free pass from you.

The rest of your rant was just the usual attempt to deflect attention away from your cruel comment. You engaged in fat-shaming and I'm really surprised to see a dyed in the wool liberal like you do such a thing. I suppose you consider yourself superior to everyone heavier than you?

Your final sentence is just an example of your shameless tendency to make up a quote and then attribute it to me. You really should try writing fiction. You're off to a great start!! Stacy Abrams could probably give you some pointers.[bulling tactics. /QUOTE]

Kind of disgusting telling someone what and who they should comment on! I mean you have ignored the thousands upon thousands of dufus lies, while attacking everybody else's responses.

You're just like your dufus, you bad mouth and bully and get mad when they throw your rocks back. Is there a scripture for that?

The truth stings, doesn't it, Judas? Time to get your head out of the Dufus' arse.

Poor Athos. You lied like dog about Aquinas, and you're still bitter that you got caught in your outrageous lie. I think you are accustomed to the other two amigos fawning over your every statement. Well I don't, and should I need to find out some truth, I would never go to you.

Your final statement is amusing because it tells me what it told me about Tal. I know I got to you, and that gives me at least some sense of satisfaction. You have no answers, so you have to resort to insults. I'll let you and Tal discuss your favorite subject of "arses" (I'm so glad I didn't come up with that!) and pay attention to the adults on this site. What sad little men you are.

I'm still convinced you are under great conviction. I really feel sorry for you.

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No, not a lie, just something you couldn't understand. And you are far more obsessed with A than I ever was, and I studied the guy!

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Your final statement is amusing because it tells me what it told me about Tal. I know I got to you, and that gives me at least some sense of satisfaction. You have no answers, so you have to resort to insults. I'll let you and Tal discuss your favorite subject of "arses" (I'm so glad I didn't come up with that!) and pay attention to the adults on this site. What sad little men you are.

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Only you Bible thumpers know whatever that's supposed to mean. You throw it out there when you've run out of intelligent things to say. It's a common tactic among your ilk.

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No, you don't. Talk about lying! You're enraged at me (and others) because you've been challenged and defeated by most of the people here - in one way or another.

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Be glad to.

Stacey Abrams gets a pass because she is a good, decent person who speaks the truth and has the best interests of her followers in mind. She has a wonderful sparkling face with the brightest of eyes and projects a terrific personality. She is overweight, and I would advise her to drop a few pounds for her health, but her weight may be the result of one of the many things women are uniquely prone to.

The other two are fat and jowly die to a lifetime of carnality - physically, mentally, and spiritually. It's easy to see in their faces and in their responses to questions. They reek of the arrogance of power and follow a man so corrupt it is hard to find suitable words. Like you, J, they also have their heads up the arse of the dufus.

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She has a wonderful sparkling face with the brightest of eyes and projects a terrific personality.

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You should be a comedian. "Drop a few pounds????" At any rate, first you don't trust fat people, and then you love fat people. I don't even know why you would bring it up. It was a sick statement. I don't care about her weight or anyone else's weight. The fact that she has never really accomplished anything works against her for me.

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...cey-abrams.jpg.

More scandal for the dufus?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zach-...b6913dba3cf8a2

Ms. Adams has an impressive resume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams

Google is your friend.

Hmmm. According to Biden, it was someone else's fault. Kind of reminds me of some amigos here.

Biden on controversial comments to Charlamagne tha God: 'He was being a wise guy, and I responded in kind'


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...black-exchange

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No, what works against her for you is that she's a black woman. Too late, J, you gave it up. As usual, unwittingly. When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.