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The abortions that were REPORTED were in single digits....

You have a source for that? At any rate, illegal backroom abortions were very risky and I don't know of anyone who really believes the numbers were anything even close to what we have now. I graduated from high school in 71. We never had a pregnant girl in our class. During my time in high school, I only knew of one girl in our school in that situation. Now it is rampant, so if you are going to try and argue otherwise, you are being extraordinarily foolish.

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I'm a girl. What do you think girls whisper to each other about??? You guys are always clueless!

So? That added nothing at all to the conversation. I mean you have nothing more than some supposed idea about what girls whisper to each other? That's it???

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I'm trying to get you to be realistic. 1960 was when the front end of the Baby Boomers was in its early teens. They were a frisky bunch, those Boomers!

How would you know they were any more "frisky" than other generations? How do you know they were not simply the victims of the sexual revolution? Perhaps they were simply less moral than the other generations that preceded them.

What are you advocating for? Do you really believe that what we have now is desirable? Do you really believe that a 70% out of wedlock birth rate amongst blacks is a good thing? Do you really think that a single parent home, all things being equal, is better than a two parent home? Sometimes I really wonder what is wrong with you. I have never come across a confessing Christian as eager to support immoral behavior as you are.

Most people do very well now a days if people would stay out of their business. I mean you beetch about abortions, then you beetch about being forced to feed dem babies. I think you just like to beetch. Hey I ain't mad atcha, I like to beetch too, ain't that why we're here?

An orderly society would be great, but that divorce thing just blows it for many folks. All those human issues and stuff. You seem to blame women, specifically poor women, since females with means and resources ignore your bully crap, but maybe it's us men dropping the ball and screwing things up.

Go ahead preach to me about a better way, how many you have helped and how hard you worked and convince me how right you are and why I should return to the 60's. when life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness was just for white guys and who they approved of. Yeah let's go back to those good old days when you could tell people what to do and punish them when they don't. Can't blame you for missing them good old days.

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You seem to blame women, specifically poor women, since females with means and resources ignore your bully crap, but maybe it's us men dropping the ball and screwing things up.

Maybe it's both men and women. Does that mean we should just ignore it like liberal dems do, or even celebrate it like Hollywood does?

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Go ahead preach to me about a better way, how many you have helped and how hard you worked and convince me how right you are and why I should return to the 60's. when life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness was just for white guys and who they approved of.

Poor ole us. You might as well stop your whining since no one is buying any of it. We are talking about out of wedlock birth rates. We were not talking about racial issues, aircraft carriers, Cuba, NATO, Vietnam, Barry Goldwater, LBJ, Kennedy, Montana, the Army, the USSR, or any one of many other topics. We are talking about out of wedlock birth rates. I know you're a liberal dem, but there is no need to play the race card here.

Your race card meme is my reality, and dems don't ignore abortions we don't have them if we don't want them and chanting and raving in front of a PP clinic where less resourced people, men and women go for all sorts of health related reasons ain't worth it. Sure you would love this to be about just your peeve and ignore anybody else's or flat out dismiss them but that don't cut it either, like gays getting married and being responsible parents doesn't count. PP publishes how many abortions they do without fed money, so shut the thing down and do away with the other things they do, and that makes sense to you? Not to me, it's radical right extreme stuff...PUNISHMENT for their sins by those that evoke god, and doctors have been KILLED and injurered to make your point you bully terrorist of young poor women.

The right to an abortion is the law and the right to chose ones own course in life is the law, so get over telling people what to do unless you take over responsibility to feed clothe and educate them too, and walking away and beetching about being FORCED to help the least or the needy is just a nesting way to ignore and dismiss...and for that sin you are guilty.

What are you the only one to proclaim what's a sin now? You stop judging and I might consider it.

Maybe it might be both men and women? You got to be kidding me!

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Your race card meme is my reality, and dems don't ignore abortions we don't have them if we don't want them and chanting and raving in front of a PP clinic where less resourced people, men and women go for all sorts of health related reasons ain't worth it.

Wow. How prejudiced you are. "Chanting and raving" at a clinic? Not really. The only attention dems give to abortion is to celebrate it and try to expand it.

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so get over telling people what to do

You mean like what you are doing right now?

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Maybe it might be both men and women? You got to be kidding me!

Poor Tal. You never had the "birds and bees" discussion?

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The right to an abortion is the law and the right to chose ones own course in life is the law,

The right to choose one's own course in life unless, of course, you are still in your mother's womb, in which case you have the right to a gruesome death.

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Your thoughtful reply to, "The right to choose one's own course in life unless, of course, you are still in your mother's womb, in which case you have the right to a gruesome death," is to post a completely irrelevant cartoon? Why am I not surprised.

You shouldn't be surprised that instead of wasting my time repeating myself on your peeve, I returned to the posted topic which is corona virus.

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You shouldn't be surprised that instead of wasting my time repeating myself on your peeve, I returned to the posted topic which is corona virus.

Way to go! You managed to post your "I don't have the slightest idea" reply twice in one day. Very impressive.

You can spin my responses any way you want my friend, doesn't change the fact I'm not going to waste my time on inane questions to distract from the real issues at hand which is your being stuck in the right wing loony world of your own making. I know you'll spin that as name calling which doesn't address your question, and maybe it is, but since we have all expressed our opinions on abortion repeatedly, why go in that circle yet again?

You trying to cover up you don't have a clue about our response to the corona virus so fall back into your own comfort zone of abortion? I know the door was open so you walked into it, and just won't comeback out. Not surprised at all, as you are easily stuck on your own peeves.

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I know you'll spin that as name calling which doesn't address your question,

I don't mind the name calling so much as I mind the question dodging. It would be much better if you would simply admit you don't know.

As to our response to the CV response, I'll be happy to discuss it.

Very slow would be my assessment so far and cowardly blaming past administrations for the actions of this one. As things are shutting down in rapid order, I see some huge challenges emerging in addition to the ones already in our face. I see a cash crunch that will grow for a few months at least. Bailing out America looms even larger as we progress through this crisis. This one promises to be the biggest ever though unfortunately.

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Very slow would be my assessment so far

Matter of opinion. I think he's done fine.

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cowardly blaming past administrations for the actions of this one

Who has done that?

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As things are shutting down in rapid order, I see some huge challenges emerging in addition to the ones already in our face. I see a cash crunch that will grow for a few months at least. Bailing out America looms even larger as we progress through this crisis.

Maybe, but the thinking is that as spring progresses and temps warm up, this virus will diminish.

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This one promises to be the biggest ever though unfortunately.

Biggest crisis ever? Are you kidding? So far it's not even close. The biggest problem we have is unwarranted panic.

The virulent nature of this virus is ongoing, and the more testing is done the more cases we find. It may not be close now, but the rapid rise cannot be ignored even at this early stage, which is more than a month and a half so far.

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The virulent nature of this virus is ongoing and the more testing is done the more cases we find. It may not be close now but the rapid rise is cannot be ignored even at this early stage which is more than a month and a half so far.

Fair enough as long as it's balanced with some perspective. We have more people killed in car wrecks in an average day than have died from CV during the entire epidemic. I think we will look back on this in six months and wonder why we over-reacted so much, but we'll see how it goes.

I hope you're right because getting cabin fever in the summer time is not something I think I can handle.

This may be the biggest overreaction of all time, especially in the U.S.

All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.

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All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.

Pretty well said, Vac. Sometimes I think we're becoming a nation of weenies.

I'm wondering if, in three weeks' time or whenever the bars and restaurants reopen, the crowds return to the malls and shops, and all the schools resume classes, will a dormant coronavirus rear its ugly head again.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

This may be the biggest overreaction of all time, especially in the U.S.

All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.

I don't know if it's an over reaction as empty shelves in grocery stores, along with school closings, and canceling big events while the market falls greatly, is a scary thing indeed for anyone so effected, but if rich guys are scared and over reacting then what do you expect from everybody else? The only ones not scared seem to be the healthier ones even with the sniffles. If you have no elders, or children involved, then what would you be afraid of?

Areas like Washington state and other big population areas with high rates and climbing fast can't just not do something and shutting everything down is what they did so is that over reacting? What should they be doing if it is? Yeah it's going to be an economic costs but think TRILLION not billions and we have to deal with America before we start anything with anybody else and that includes China.

Even the Russians are building new hospitals just for the rising cases they are experiencing so some panic should be expected when you are faced with the new developments and unknowns associated with them. Obviously business as usual ain't gonna cut it.

Life has inherent risk. When I drive my car I fasten my safety belt. I keep good tires on the car and don't drive drunk. I don't drive too fast or recklessly. I do all of that to mitigate the risk in the hope that I will not be one of the 70 people killed EVERY WEEK in auto crashes, but I still get in my car and drive. I accept that risk as part of living. As far as CV goes, I think it's great to mitigate the risk. Are we going too far? Probably. We'll see. North Korea and Zimbabwe have no CV cases because, basically, no one goes into or out of those countries. Should we be jealous of them? Hardly.

Well the dufus has issued new national guidelines. AND says it could last for months. AND admits the possibility of a recession! Check your state here

WHAT?

what indeed, this could lead to the great depression of 2020, just because Trump said it. If he doesn't see an upside maybe we should loose all hope. I'm glad I live in the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of Trump

Good God: We lived through times of rampant POLIO (with no vaccine in sight for decades) as well as virulent T.B. that wiped whole families out....then turned around and defeated barbaric Nazis and Japanese: Now we are going to stop living, stop working, and hole-up in our houses and be constantly afraid? Where in the hell is our faith? Where is our intestinal fortitude? Its gut-check time! Stop hiding in the corner and get up and go out and keep living!

The future of our nation is at severe risk if we just lay down and give up....THIS ENTIRE EPISODE IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL! And those that fomented this reaction and overreaction (MEDIA) should really burn in hell for it.

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The future of our nation is at severe risk if we just lay down and give up....THIS ENTIRE EPISODE IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL! And those that fomented this reaction and overreaction (MEDIA) should really burn in hell for it.

I'm not suggesting we send anyone to hell, but that is otherwise a pretty good statement.

The crisis has only just begun and you judge it to be a shameful episode, do you have perfect foresight? because to date what could be done has been done since it wasn't possible to prepare for the unknown. maybe now those FEMA camps will be of use

I don't think he was talking about the government. I think he was talking about the general state of panic that has set in. It doesn't speak well of us as a people.

No people are prone to panic without leadership

Paraclete: All animals need leadership but not all animals act the same in times of strife....there is a huge difference between "being led" and "following": WOLVES configured in a "pack" and are "led" by an Alpha Male and they act as an organized unit. By contrast, cattle are "herd" animals and "follow" the Lead Cow and do not act as an organized unit. Wolf Packs do not panic. Cattle herds will panic. The U.S. is acting like a herd right now: The Leader, our President, is having to fight off a thousand voices of pseudo experts and panic spreader put forth by the media...and the media KNOWS exactly what they are doing, they are doing this with consciousness. If the media had any other motive, other than trying to sow panic and damage The President, they would report FACTS such as giving the DETAILS OF ANY DEATHS (was it a healthy person, what age was the person, what condition was the person in BEFORE they contracted the virus)....Instead, the media has a narrative to fill and in filling that narrative they have torpedoed the U.S. economy, depleted the savings of all citizens having 401Ks, and empowered the Red Chinese (our sworn enemy) who has attacked us with a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON in the form of this virus. And, for those reasons I have given, and for reasons I have yet to give here, that qualifies the media as a FIFTH COLUMN OF COMMUNIST CHINA and it would justify their trials and punishments and if we found direct links to Red China, their executions, as well.

so do you agree or not there is a lack of leadership

Of course it's a lack of leadership on the fed level, because the dufus was not focused on data and facts and took so long to even get with the program and when he did it was a month later, and the states were already doing there thing, and worse he delayed getting resources and supplies where needed, and it was already going to be a logistics nightmare.

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Of course it's a lack of leadership on the fed level, because the dufus was not focused on data and facts and took so long to even get with the program and when he did it was a month later, and the states were already doing there thing, and worse he delayed getting resources and supplies where needed, and it was already going to be a logistics nightmare.

I guess that explains why we seem to be handling the situation better than the European nations.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I guess that explains why we seem to be handling the situation better than the European nations.

Don't rush to judgement, Europe, mainly Italy was taken unawares, but they will stabilise before you do just as China has, but remember you are yet to put in place the strident measures that other have

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

That would take a ton of evidence. better to focus on mitigating the effects before starting a war.

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Don't rush to judgement, Europe, mainly Italy was taken unawares,

Interesting how other countries get to use excuses.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

Total foolishness, they have more dead than anyone else, how then do you see it as an attack, only a paranoid yankee could think that way

Paraclete: ChiComs are godless Bolsheviks: They have no moral compass and history supports my statement on this: Mao killed 30-40 million of his fellow Chinese! Do you think that the Red Chinese would hesitate to allow a weaponized virus kill some of its own people to legitimize the virus as being a non-weaponized strain? You trust the ChiComs too much, almost as much as the U.S. media trusts the ChiComs. U.S. media is quick to glorify Red China while spouting disparaging remarks about the U.S. and President Trump: This is utter treason and the spewers of this vile crap should be persecuted as well as prosecuted.

Why do you trust ChiComs, anyway?

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Paraclete: ChiComs are godless Bolsheviks: They have no moral compass and history supports my statement on this: Mao killed 30-40 million of his fellow Chinese! Do you think that the Red Chinese would hesitate to allow a weaponized virus kill some of its own people to legitimize the virus as being a non-weaponized strain? You trust the ChiComs too much, almost as much as the U.S. media trusts the ChiComs. U.S. media is quick to glorify Red China while spouting disparaging remarks about the U.S. and President Trump: This is utter treason and the spewers of this vile crap should be persecuted as well as prosecuted.

Why do you trust ChiComs, anyway?

That's a lot of speculation and exaggeration especially about media glorifying China, and disparaging the US. The buck stops with the dufus, like any other president during a crisis. Who trusts the Chinese or anybody else for that matter without verifying what they are doing, or have done? One thing we are finding out is US dependence on foreign medical supplies and resources is making us suckers.

That's not even considering the rural health care systems being woefully under funded for many years either. Look it up.

Talaniman: I must agree with you about the U.S. dependence on foreign medical supplies, ESPECIALLY with belligerent nations like Red China.

Rural healthcare, as I can attest, is woefully inadequate.

But the media is taking Red China at its word as it says that it has this problem under control: How does the media know this? Where, other than out of a communist Chinese do they obtain this kind of information. If a Trump official stated something like this, the media would not believe it but they choose to believe and broadcast ChiCom "state run information" as factual and spew forth ChiCom talking points. This is an issue for me and it should be a problem for all Americans.