Pretty good. You should try it!!Quote:
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Pretty good. You should try it!!Quote:
How's that working for you?
No need
Did anyone of you catch the dufus admit to his lies about the Chinese paying the tariffs he imposed? If they are not then where is the money coming from to pay the farmers that are affected by those tariffs?
I caught that. He also said the tax cut for the "middle class"(?) was costing him 3-5 BILLION dollars!!! Of course, he still won't show his tax returns.
How about that right wing loony from Iowa Steve King justifying removing the rape and incest exception from an abortion bill because humanity wouldn't be here without rape and incest. I gotta tell ya, while we holler about AOC, these nut jobs are going over the cliff. I've seen drunks that make more sense.
The dufus has drove them crazier than they ever were.
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/08/s...d-incest-would
Thank goodness you get your news for such an imminently neutral website as "Crooks and Liars". I had to laugh at that.Quote:
How about that right wing loony from Iowa Steve King justifying removing the rape and incest exception from an abortion bill because humanity wouldn't be here without rape and incest. I gotta tell ya, while we holler about AOC, these nut jobs are going over the cliff. I've seen drunks that make more sense.
The dufus has drove them crazier than they ever were.
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/08/s...d-incest-would
If you listen to the video, I don't think King was seriously trying to suggest that the entire population of the earth is here because of rape and incest. But I guess it would be much better if he agreed with virtually all democrats that abortion should be legal for any and all reasons, including gender and race selection, and should be legal all the way up until the moment of birth, and with some democrats, even for some period of time after the child is born. Yes, that would be a much more sensible position.
If you check that was but one source derived from several sources reporting the same thing. It was a stupid argument you cannot defend and another example how you alt right thumpers try to subvert the system. You want to build your coalition on the social issues that's fine but just as you have done brought our most extreme left ideas practiced by a few so I have highlighted the right extremes utterances also. Most of us pro or con is more moderately in the middle and just as you hate to be broad brushed and pigeon holed with ultra extreme ideas and antics, so do us sensible moderates.
A loony is a loony, right or left to me, so at least act like you know the difference. Should we be debating the merits of rounding up supposedly illegal migrants at work in your area and the place is still open for business?
Yes, but it was the one you chose to link. At any rate, I listened to the video rather than trust your ultra left wing site.Quote:
If you check that was but one source derived from several sources.
Why do you think they are "supposedly" illegal? If they are here illegally, then they are illegal. End of story. As to the plants, they did reopen but with only a small workforce and at a much reduced rate. I wonder how many healthy people there are living around those plants who are getting welfare and doing nothing? Why not put them to work?Quote:
Should we be debating the merits of rounding up supposedly illegal migrants at work in your area and the place is still open for business?
They had to release hundreds until they can be processed, but my point was that shouldn't the owners be held accountable for hiring illegals, and minors?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-6...ay-2019-08-08/
Is CBS a left wing organization? Wonder why the state welfare authority never tried to get those lazy Ms. welfare people jobs at those plants that have been there for decades.
I intentionally used the left wing source that got it from the mainstream reporting.
I think that's a good point.Quote:
They had to release hundreds until they can be processed, but my point was that shouldn't the owners be held accountable for hiring illegals, and minors?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-6...ay-2019-08-08/
A good question.Quote:
Is CBS a left wing organization? Wonder why the state welfare authority never tried to get those lazy Ms. welfare people jobs at those plants that have been there for decades.
Here's another one to think about. While the dufus gets everyone riled up about the brown invasion, he and Moscow Mitch have been lifting sanctions and allowing Russian business to invest in America, specifically in Kentucky, but are planning to expand into 8 other states with poor regions of the country.
What's wrong with that picture.
Actually, not much, investment is investment. You have the ability to prevent subversion, so all you really need to do is make sure there is reciprocal investmentQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Would you let mobsters, criminals and dictators invest in your businesses? Of course you wouldn't. You know how that ends once you let them get a foot in the door. with a 40% ownership stake. They have already threatened to nix the deal if any kind of review is done of the particulars. That's not a good sign that everything is above board. I mean common sense here. A deal that the dufus and Moscow Mitch put together without purview of the congress with an adversary? I ask again what's wrong with that picture?
So NO investments are not just investments.
Kind of like HC allowing the sale of uranium assets in the U.S. to Russia???
The capitalists are complaining about capitalism. America for the americans, I'm all for itQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Unlike this deal, the uranium deal went through the proper process. Look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What was improper about it? CNN seemed to describe it as being done according to law.Quote:
Unlike this deal, the uranium deal went through the proper process. Look it up.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/busin...ill/index.html
More to the story
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e39_story.html
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With strong Republican support, the House on Jan. 14 overwhelmingly rejected the administration plan to lift sanctions, 362 to 53. But the effort failed in the Senate, thanks in part to McConnell and strong lobbying efforts.
So like I said, it was done legally. You might disagree with it, but it was not illegal. Besides that, the Russkies are now minority owners of a large aluminum mill in KY employing a lot of Americans. So far I have not seen the down side.
If you say so. We'll see.
It's not what I say so. It's the reality of the deal. There was nothing illegal done, at least not according to the news stories.Quote:
If you say so.
Sometimes you don't know if it's COMPLETELY legal until you look deeper. I know arms were twisted, and the rich guys who put the deal together will never admit to something untoward, but we'll see what happens when a mob boss gets his foot in the door of our business. Or how the wheels were greased to get the deal done by lifting sanctions. I've been following this story for a while and no I don't trust any of the players.
"Trust but VERIFY"/Ronald Reagan about the Russians.
It does pay to be cautious.
Moscow Mitch has his hands dirty with this deal. Drop sanctions in return for 200 mill investment in his home state. Bone-spur Donald and Moscow Mitch are two of a pair.
Don't forget the campaign contributions from rich business guys who are going to reap a fortune. Hmm! Both are up for re election.
Back to the OP. Trump has now moved to pressure US companies to find alternatives to doing business with China, so what are the alternatives? Vietnam, Pakistan, India, but China is moving into Africa so will they be worried? There is a far larger market for their cheap goods in Africa and they are far more advanced in developing such markets. So Trump won't hasten the demise of Chinese industry he may actually advance it and these are markets the US has little possibility of capturing
In another OP I said Trump doesn't have the authority .That was not correct . TheInternational Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977( IEEPA) gives him broad powers over the economy. It is a decision that could lead to disaster .https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...iDyEPA0Tdb2V9k
a Trump led recession, it makes me depressed
He has already blamed everybody else just in case it arrives before he can be re elected.
yes it will be self inflicted with his trade wars and his silly obsession to bring the dollar value down . Yes and yesterday he basically called Fed Chair Jerome Powell a bigger enemy than China .The thing is that if Trump persists in forcing a recession then he will get his wish because the Fed will have no choice but to weaken the dollar .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Trump daily abuses his pick for Fed Chairman for not lowering interest rates.
Trump's company is about half a billion dollars in debt. Lowering interest rates would save him millions in repayments. Another use of using his presidency for his own gain. He cares not a whit for his country.
What if China puts a tariff on some of the dufus family products, like ties and lingerie?
that would be a silly thing since a good % of Trump merchandize is made in China. Let's be honest . Trump merchandize is made to fill the racks at Trump Hotels . It is gravy and not a crucial part of the Trump business.
So when is he going to find an alternative other than China like he told the other business guys to do? I thought you were so big on calling out hypocrisy?
Trump doesn't need to find an alternative, business has been doing this for a long time without his help, and his business can switch any time it likes. The Hypocrisy of Trump is he knows he is hurting his own but his ego won't allow him to quit. One can only hope the american people make a sensible decision at the ballot box, but much damage will be done before thenQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
which loon running do you think would be better ?Quote:
One can only hope the american people make a sensible decision at the ballot box,
Whomever emerges as the dem nominee would be who I voted for. Don't know who Clete favors. The main goal is get rid of the dufus, and Moscow Mitch.
The trade dispute, though, is now about much more than economics—it’s testing whether a democratically elected government can prevail in the face of the authoritarian government of the world’s most populous country. And everyone who values democracy or human rights should hope that, one way or another, the United States ultimately prevails in that struggle...……….
If the U.S. is ultimately perceived to have lost the trade conflict, the leaders of democracies around the world will take notice. They will learn that confronting Beijing risks provoking a campaign of democratic destabilization—one that was successful elsewhere. They will need to weigh that risk against the potential rewards. China could point to the U.S. trade conflict to remind democracy’s leaders of this peril. And if any such leaders defiantly forged ahead, Beijing could draw on a playbook sharpened from its U.S. experience.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...mocracy/596248China’s victory, then, would bring about a world in which democracies are enfeebled and the largest autocracy is emboldened.
Too soon to know, but one loon is not as good as anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If there is a Chinese victory we can only blame the dufus and expose another lie about his negotiating skills which so far has been short sighted and incompetent as well as costly. The silence of repubs is deafening, in a sycophantic way, and we all see that as the antics of the last 3 years is a testament America doesn't always get it right, and be it in 2020, or 2024 there will be a helluva mess to clean up. Like you blame libs for Obama, why can't we blame conservatives for the Dufus?
I'll go further and just add that the conservative coalition is the bigger threat to democracies everywhere rather than any dictator on Earth in modern times. They have destroyed the common sense CONSENSUS to deal with the real issues of our times. It's the zombie apocalypse I tell YA!
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