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Dig deeper because you totals do not reflect the trend of less abortions. Laws or lack of laws don't give us the zero sum you want, but for sure banning them will bring those numbers back underground as before Roe. Babies have been aborted since almost the beginning of time by smart female who knew what they were doing and without a man even knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
the downward trend is because our generation stopped making babies to kill. So there aren't as many next generation to abort their babies . 2015;
"only " 638,169 babies were murdered . That makes us better than the one year total of the Rwanda genocide . But Rwanda was in one year . 600,000 represents a low water mark for us . We are roughly right there with the Armenian genocide .Except that went on for 2 years ;not 45 years .
Ouch!
Is it just a matter of a woman entering an abortion clinic, bada boom bada, bing?
Under what other circumstances does that ever occur?
The death of a pregnant woman is even more upsetting.
Now, a double homicide is whentwo people are killed by a different person or group. Therefore, murdering a pregnant woman can be classified as adouble homicidebecause someone else is ending the life of a mother and a child.
Or Auntie Susan can help Brenda abort by using a straightened coat hanger.
I would imagine that women being more educated and better resourced, and having more options like seeing a GYN/OB earlier also contributes to the down trending number, but as it stands poor women are the only victims of the policies, practices and believers of that zero abortion policy. I've been listening to the soaring rhetoric and spin the so called moral people have about murdering babies and read the actual legislation, and your side lies about it, Tom, Clete, so as against abortion as I am I as a man cannot get pregnant and since abstinence is the only 100% guaranteed method to avoid pregnancy, which for most of us ain't going to happen then a woman has to take responsibility and the more she knows the better it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Living in a country whose very history was built on rape, pillage, and plunder, and of course genocide and murder, I find it laughable you still think you can call names and kick poor butts as you will. I can respect pro life, but stay out of my business unless you are committed to ALL life. And will raise the child until maturity. Seems you should at least respect someone that cannot, or is unwilling too, since you are as unwilling also.
Ah the reality of life in your nation, championed by liberal causes. And you think you should defend thisQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Your own history is not that different from ours, but centuries shorter and you had the benefit of learning from our mistakes, and still you make your own. Not my place to judge you and I'm not because you're good allies, and had a lot less opposition to your conquest, and a smaller population.
You're doing good, keep it up.
Completely ridiculous comment. No one has even mentioned minorities.Quote:
What's really unfortunate is repub Christian conservatives trying to control and keep women and minorities in there place by any means necessary.
Well, they might be killing babies, but it is really no longer necessary (how you came to that conclusion is a complete mystery) and, after all, they are killing them at ever younger ages so it's OK.Quote:
I concur because abortions are becoming unnecessary, and late term abortions are rare.
Wow. What logic.
I do and Tal, consider this, the issues of your nation are not mirrored in my own. We have a different set of problems to solve. Did we learn from your mistakes? My nation was not founded in rebellion and slavery. Not saying there weren't dark times and lamentable happenings, but the ethos is completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh the irony considering that Planned Parenthood was created one of the nation's most notorious racist eugenicist ;Margaret Sanger . You can read some of her views and quotes here :https://www.frc.org/op-eds/margaret-...extraordinaireQuote:
What's really unfortunate is repub Christian conservatives trying to control and keep women and minorities in there place by any means necessary.
Completely ridiculous comment. No one has even mentioned minorities.
This is one of the primary reasons I voted for Trump. Thank God someone has taken action. He is denying federal funding to clinics that provide abortions as well he should.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6005956704001/
Yes but he very selective about what he denies federal funding too. I would have thought the abortion of millions of potential citizens was a greater national emergency than a wall but then in a nation that kills thousands of its citizens a year who knows what has priority.
No to worry because he has caused a great international recession and perhaps the next great depression
Not too sure about what's going on in the rest of the world, but the economy is humming here. Record low unemployment.
I enjoyed the Clinton years too, but that didn't stop wars recessions and depressions from ruining the economy. The lesson though was enjoy the good times while they last and save for the bad times sure to come. It's a bit unrealistic to assume that this current good time will last forever, or even for years to come. Never has before.
Not to worry . Trump is selling rice to China .https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/21/new...ade/index.html
Agree completely. That's why it is so ridiculous to have deficit spending now. And you can be sure that people are racking up credit accounts like there is no tomorrow.Quote:
It's a bit unrealistic to assume that this current good time will last forever, or even for years to come. Never has before.
Genesis 41 25-37Quote:
Agree completely. That's why it is so ridiculous to have deficit spending now. And you can be sure that people are racking up credit accounts like there is no tomorrow.
Like that idiot Trump you don't care what happens in the rest of the world, you don't realise it is all interconnected. You are not the only place with record low unemployment but this is transient and could evaporate tomorrow. Trade is very important and it is slowing in many places. Do not think we are going to buy your outputs, we prefer our ownQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First you say Trump has caused an international recession, and then you say there are other places with record low unemployment. I think you are confused.
No, I may know more about economics than you do, our economy is not dependent on the same factors as yours, you will soon be kow-towing to the Chinese, Trump is trying to force them to take your exports, but that won't happen if you stuff their economyQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
not likely their economy is losing steam very quickly . It could cost Xi his job soon. Seems the building of Potemkin cities isn't working as a plan very well anymore .Quote:
you will soon be kow-towing to the Chinese,
Do you not know why their economy is losing steam? Because it is interrelated to yours and your tariffs are damaging their economy without benefiting your own. Your economy is losing steam too, but then not surprising, it is powered by hot airQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
GDP growth by quarter since July 17. 3%, 2.8%, 2.3%, 2.2%, 4.2%, 3.4%. That hot air economy which is running out of steam sure seems to be doing pretty well. Record low unemployment as well. What is the grudge you hold against the United States? It sure affects your objectivity.
"appointed by God"
America has traded the truth for a lie.
Might it have more to do with God than having to do with Trump?
God is being pushed out of Society.
I think same Sex marriage is a big one. Now that same sex marriage is legal, this means "sex" can be taught in schools.
Kids are being groomed for sex!
Rejection of God will sink a society into debauchery.
Absolutely true. Romans 1.Quote:
Rejection of God will sink a society into debauchery
Any american I have met has treated me like scum and inferior in my own country. I have seen you try to change our laws to your advantage and our disadvantage. There are people here who think the sun shines out of your backside but I don't. My brother in law was a CIA stooge during the R and RQuote:
What is the grudge you hold against the United States? It sure affects your objectivity.
On behalf of America, sorry, we'll try to be nicer.
It's true that there are many arrogant people in the U.S. However, there seems to be a generally high regard for Australia.
That may be so but I have no way to measure it. Your leadership has show little regard and it took two years to appoint an ambassador and the policies of Trump are hurting our trade with China. I think we are a convenience to you
What is it you want? How do you think we feel???
It's been a long time coming.
Somebody has to fix Chinas "longtime abuse of the broken international system and unfair practice".
Presidents George H. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all failed to salve this problem.
The United States, one of the world's most significant economic markets. The country is among the top three global importers and exporters...No worries Hilar-- uh err Trump will handle it.
The Aussies are most favored by Trump...its a fact.
Maybe he realised his shotgun policies had unintended consequences, maybe not. But if we are allies our interests must be protected too otherwise no gunboat diplomacy on your behalf. As far as being friends is concerned he wanted to back out of an Obama deal on refugees as quick as he could and didn't have a clue who our Prime Minister was when meeting him at a conference and it took two years to appoint an ambassador which is an insult if we are "most favoured". Trump is damaging your markets too, it just takes a little longer for the damage to show up. This is where your systems of political lobbying can do a lot of damage because it is too focused on local issues without looking at the bigger picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
The measures Trump has put in place hasn't solved the imbalance, your people still want cheap Chinese manufactures in preference to your expensive local product. You can't have it both ways, low wages and expensive industries. Why do you think industries set up in China in the first place? Now Trump would recreate the same situation in NK.
You are not the Target, don't make it personal.
I don't nessesarily agree with Trumps strategy, but China Keeps squeezing tech secrets from U.S. companies; Allowing such behavior to continue unchecked will imperil America’s current position as a leader in technology and the world’s most innovative economy.
But as goes the famous adage, ‘America sneezes and the world catches a cold’, the rippling effects of any macroeconomic decisions taken are felt by rest of the world.
AS The Monty Python Boys say “always look on the bright side of life”. Despite the shock, the world keeps on spinning.
Collateral damage isn't acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Who is the fool here, China for demanding a piece of the action, or US companies for giving in. Yes, China aggressively pursued technology acquisition, and the US is right to push back against that, but don't think your companies weren't exploiting their people. What is really being complained about is the lack of technology royalties. The US has been fine with sharing technology for royalties for a long time. The reality is that anything can be reverse engineered and in a nation that doesn't respect copyright, it is fair game.
For a long time my country suffered ‘America sneezes and the world catches a cold’ but as our manufacturing industries declined we adapted so that we weren't as reliant on the US cycles and so when you sneeze we say bless you and move on
The President's trade policies are folly . When he realizes this and ends silly tariffs then the economy will likely recover like was predicted when his otherwise sensible tax and regulatory polices were enacted .
Indeed, those policies are what is holding the economy up. It is difficult to realise that you aren't dominant, that someone else has the reins, so do what you do well and find a way and leave others to do what they do wellQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If it were only so
So far as the economy is concerned, it is true. Give the man some credit. My biggest complaint is we continue to spend money with no restraint and deficits continue to grow. Really stupid.
Yes it is stupid, but no one is willing to do what has to be done, because you would have instant recession and maybe even worse. You are so used to sucking on the deficit teat that you can't get off. You would need budget surplus of a billion a year to have any chance of reversing the trend so that probably means spending cuts and taxation so massive it would devastate the economy. Look we have been through it on a smaller scale and it has taken us ten years to get back to a tiny surplus and it has done a lot of damage to government, leadership coups and years of government that is lame duck
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