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Originally Posted by talaniman
"Why do you think The Dufus, a greedy b@stard, and thief, a proven liar, cheater, bully" should be elected President. Noone worried about it until he became president so why worry now. The fact is the system is corrupt and Mueller is an expression of it
Lay off the happy juice or share it! ;P What's with the pro Chump about face?
It isn't an about face I don't like the man, the bully is someone I dislike by reason he is a bully, a braggart, and a dolt, however he is entitled to the presumption of innocence. It is not my fault the americans drunk the koolaid in large numbers. Seriously I think America has bigger fish to fryQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
People from this part of the world have a different ethos, a different perspective. Trump is a picture of all that is wrong with America. I don't think you see it because you are standing too close. In our vernacular; it is not okay to be up yourself
That makes sense, as in our system the burden of proof lies in those who prosecute. The rest is noise, and opinion, but the investigation has to complete its process no matter where it goes. I have to agree he stands for many things that are wrong in America, to me too, and most of my fellow Americans agree. The Dufus, his tactics, policies, and TWEETS and actions of his sycophants are not popular here among MANY, and it's our right to speak and act against them by LAW. The process of our laws are slow, and methodical, and that is by design. Mueller is comporting himself within the boundaries of those laws, and obstruction of a duly lawful investigation is as criminal as conspiracy.
Least you forget this whole thing started BEFORE his election to high office, even if it was unknown to the public. So I disagree with your OPINION that Mueller is an example of what's wrong in America, as he is doing the job given to him and very professionally I might add.
Let me put it this way so far, he has discovered Trump is a sleeze, and a corruptor, not necessarily news, using bribes to keep the worst of his behaviour out of the press, we had a recent case here of a not quite so high politician caught in a compromising situation, he was forced to resign without benefit of legal action, no protracted investigation, just the weight of public opinion. Unfortunately Trump has more hide than Jessie the elephant so I expect you will have to force him outQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Forget the sleaze! Popaudopolis, Manafort, Page, Gates, Flynn, Cohen. How do you dismiss their involvement, actions, and indictments, and CONVICTIONS? Throw in Kushner and Dufus Jr. Even the sleaze aspect may be a violation of law depending on whose story you believe.
No big deal right?
Not every employee does what the boss wants, they have their own agendas. This is not a defense of Trump
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...ation-nothing/
you may pin your hopes on Mueller but Trump is stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot
I have no high expectations that The Dufus will be brought down by Mueller, nor repubs will have anything to do with crossing this bully, no matter what Mueller finds, or who he indicts. Not only will The Dufus pardon everybody and their mama, but Pence will surely pardon The Dufus. He can't lose can he?
It would seem so, just another ring in the circus
As long as the racists and right wing religious extremists that make up MOST of Trumps base, continue to believe his lies and allow his behavior, repubs have little choice but to go along and do as they are told and that's protect and defend whatever The Dufus does. I told you before it's silly season with a mid term election looming in a few months, so a circus is what they want.
We have the choice here to enjoy the entertainment, or seek it elsewhere. Our TV's have a remote for just that purpose and the museums and beaches are open if the power goes out. We also have many amusement parks as the circus seldom comes to town anymore and the state fair is over.
Elections aside though The Dufus isn't going anywhere fast but the reality of it is that his lies will come back and bite his arse eventually, so enjoy the circus while it's here.
There are many rings to this circus, Mueller is only one. Xi has made his intentions plain in the South China Sea, will Dump be up to the occasion or will Mueller overtake him and prevent warQuote:
so enjoy the circus while it's here.
Bottom line ;Trump should direct Rosenstein to outline,publicly and indetail,the basis for a criminal investigation arising out of Russia’s interference in the election if there is one.If he can’t,Mueller’s criminal investigation should be terminated. Did you see how the judge beat down Inspector Clouseau's charges against Manafort ? Did you see that AGAIN Flynn's sentencing has been delayed ? If they really have the goods on him then what is the delay ?
Obviously The Dufus and Repubs would love to find out what Mueller has so far and are trying their best to stop this thing in in tracks, but DOJ, and the FBI have never revealed the details of on ongoing investigation until it's done. Never seen such support for a bunch of crooks, liars, and cheaters. That goes for Rudy too, shaming himself on the FAUX News shows trying to carry water for The Dufus and his minions.
Looks like you guys have to just wait for the judge to rule about Manafort, and doesn't matter which court or law office sends him to jail so I wouldn't get excited about him getting off because the judge was pissed. The suspense is killing you righties ain't it. Go ahead fire everybody! I dare you Dufus!
Imagine the panic if they don't stop Mueller before the election and they lose the House majority in November!
The judge is laughing about the Manafort caseQuote:
Looks like you guys have to just wait for the judge to rule about Manafort
It's a slam dunk, he has been an international criminal for decades, now they got him no matter what the judge rules so I bet Manafort and his lawyers aren't laughing.
There is a suggestion these charges are outside of the Mueller inquiry terms of reference, in other words Mueller has no authority to go thereQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Then he simply passes it off to another prosecutor within the Justice Department like he did for Cohen the lawyer of the Dufus! No Big Deal! What you think some judge will dismiss the charges, or that that don't have MORE charges to bring? That's the problem with comments from afar, you miss the fine details.
I gather information from multiple sources, thus what I see is coloured by different perspectives. I think the general perspective is this is a witch hunt
Well he is a witch, so how should one hunt him and address his lying and cheating, and nasty bullying? I don't know about YOUR sources but here Americans want the investigation to continue. It has born fruit, and continues to bear fruit. Is it Mueller's fault he finds criminal wrong doing as he investigates Russia's role in the last election? That's why it's called the RUSSIAN investigation.
He has enough high priced lawyers and well placed sycophants to advise and defend him, so what's the problem? Obviously your sources are inadequately providing you FACTS. Opinions mean nothing in the court of law, and that's what we have here. Those calling this a witch hunt are in the MINORITY here, so the process will continue. The Dufus will either rise to the challenge or drown in his own shat!
Place your bets on witch if you want to, I'm NOT!
Tal my sources are US sources plus the reporting we get here, that can be in depth, don't forget that the Murdock press originated in Australia so what is reported here comes from those sources. We love a good circus and this one is better than our local ones, although the scene could switch tomorrow
The Russian investigation, yes, he found some Russian, who are well out of his reach. He found an idiot in the Trump team who contacted a russian lawyer or vis a versa, not sure if that is illegal. As far as I can see it is all smoke and mirrors
Now I see your problem! You watch too much Dufus TV Network (Run by Murdoch). Fox News is NOT news here, but an unabashed Dufus supporter like Putin has Russian TV. No wonder you sound like a Trump mouthpiece.
Maybe you should wait for FACTS so you won't be LIED to by our circus clowns. Enjoy the show.
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No I don't watch Fox, waiting for facts could take a long time because all Mueller deals with is innuendo and threats as he gets his "suspects" to give evidence against themselves. I hear the Russians are going to take him on
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...e-indictments/
They have a right to a lawyer.
And the right to be tried in the court of public opinion
Now you are catching on to the strategy the Dufus likes best. The last thing he wants is to be subject to the process of the law. He's much better at lying to the public, and bracing his enemies verbally.
Well of course he doesn't want to be in court on trumped up politicalised charges. He puts a spin on every thing he says, but then doesn't every politician? We know the truth is not in them. The question is; can you discern the truth when you hear it? I don't believe anything he says until he acts and his actions can be discerned, and maybe not even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think of the promises he has made
A great big wall
A great America, again
Repeal Obamacare
Infurstructure
Lower taxes
And I see what has been implemented
And it is a shadow, smoke and mirrors
But then he doesn't exactly have anyone working with him
The fool hasn't been charged with anything so there are NO TRUMPED up charges to address! More lies. All he has to do is sit down and answer a few questions HONESTLY, and the investigation is OVER!
We know he can't do that, and he knows it too! That's what happens when right wing loonies racists, and power hungry dumba$$s 's pick a lying, cheating, blithering idiot, dufus for a leader. He doesn't need any help because he alone could fix stuff. In addition for your information they investigated Bill, and got him for lying about a Blowjob! They investigated Hillary for years for EVERYTHING, no indictments! They investigated Russian interference for 15 months with 19 indictments and that's the one that's going on too long?
Right wing loony maroony hypocrisy, and LIES...just like YOUR hero!
Not my hero, a blowhard like him wouldn't get anywhere here, one tried it and money didn't buy him successQuote:
.just like YOUR hero!
Well your hero has withdrawn the U S from the Iran nuclear deal while his fixer lawyer dude Michael Cohen has been caught taking $500,000 from Russian oligarch billionaire Viktor Vekselberg. They got another witch!
You know, I get it, corruption is rife where you live and your politicians, lawyers and fellow travellers are on the take, however business deals are the same the world over and the nationality of a person doesn't determine their political views. So Dump has shot Boeing and american workers in the foot, while doing no discernible good for anyone. Yes, he seems capable of incredible stupidity and doing this when he wants Kim to take him seriously shows how stupid he is. Stupid is as stupid doesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Inspector Clouseau is having a bad week .The Manaford judge called out his case and wants proof he has a mandate from the DOJ to prosecute a case unrelated to collusionThe judge knows that the Manafort indictment was more about squeezing him so he would turn state's witness against Trump. The judge wants to see Mueller's mandate from Rosenstein in writingQuote:
The judge is laughing about the Manafort case
The Ruskies trolls he indicted called his bluff .He has no case against them except that perhaps they were blogging in their mother's basement. but Mueller wasn't content with just charging pajama boys. He went after Ruskie businesses.One of them retained a fancy Washington law firm ,and they informer him they are ready to go to trial....let the discovery begin. Mueller thought he would get away with a press conference and a victory lap around his office. So Mueller asked for a delay because (you can't make this up) the Russian government is not cooperating in serving the indictment. But if it is a matter of serving the indictment ;the lawyers are there and would gladly accept the serving .
And he keeps on stalling on the Flynn sentencing knowing that even the FBI investigators who interviewed Flynn don't think he lied.
Even worse ;now you have former Sec State JFKerry doing his own private diplomacy trying to salvage the JCPOA ;against the policy of the current Administration .One could argue it is a complete violation of the Logan Act .As you recall ,the beef against Flynn was that he ;as incoming National Security Advisor ,was having phone conversations with the Russian Ambassador to discuss policies that were counter to the emperor's . and so it goes .
So Kangaroo courts and star chambers don't work, who knew? I'll show my ignorance and ask what happened to Grand Juries or don't they apply in political cases?
Not only has Mueller not held ANY press conferences but has taken no victory laps either. He just takes them to court or they cooperate and get a deal, as Flynn who obviously is still singing a sweet tune since he hasn't been sentenced and maybe gets off with time served. So we will see how the other cases turn out. LOL, those Ruskies demanded a bunch of records all the way back to 1945, so that may take some time. You know how this dance goes Tom, it's up to the judge to referee and the court of public opinion means NOTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That goes double for that Logan Act stuff since the Dufus already rendered it more useless than it ever was.
You don't need a grand jury for every case, especially if the evidence is solid enough for a charge to be made, Mueller won't tip his hand to Russia either about how much intel he has on those indicted Ruskies Tom is fond of. They have already asked for classified information that goes back to the last world war.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
What he's done to Flynn is criminal in itself. Flynn did nothing ,but Mueller broke him financially and with threats to his family .While Mueller vengefully bankrupts people tied to Trump, his legal team refuses to disclose how much tax $ it's spent over the past year. The Justice Dept has refused to release his budget in the face of repeated FOIA requests .
Former Trump campaign advisor Michael Caputo is going through the same thing now thanks to this phony investigation.“God damn you to Hell,” Caputo told the Senate intel committee recently after he was put through the ringer by them . He was also questioned by Mueller's thugs.What makes Caputo ,who worked on the Trump campaign forless than a year in a minor role possibly complicit in, or a witness to, the bogus charge that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election? Well he made the HUUUGGGE mistake of studying Russia in school in the 1980s ,and became an admirer of Russian ballet and literature .Oh yeah ,he has a Ukrainian born wife.
Former Trump Aide Caputo Is Being Interviewed by Mueller
He has already incurred over $125,000 in legal fees defending himself from Mueller's fishing expedition . No doubt Mueller will find some inconsistency in his responses to charge him with after the many grillings he's been subject to .
As far as the Flynn case goes ,Mueller's case is in jeopardy . The judge ordered him to produce exculpatory evidence he withheld from Flynn's defense team. Mueller is stalling because he knows there is a big chance the judge is going to throw this case out of court . And as Mueller delays ,the Flynn legal bills keep piling up .
He is leaving a wake of destroyed people behind his Inspector Javert like pursuit of Trump. Hope Hicks testified to Congress and then resigned the next day. She did nothing wrong but became concerned about her mounting legal bills . She's not alone . Over 20 White House workers ,and almost 30 campaign have been subject to Mueller's team 3rd degree interrogations . Simply stated ,these people are being punished for the "crime " of having worked for Trump in some capacity .
BTW ,the Russian troll case will be dismissed soon.
Caputo should have listened to his wife and stayed home, because we all know you lay with dogs you get fleas. He's lucky he could afford flea powder. $125.000 to tell the truth? Really? I got no sympathy for AT&T paying Cohen a hundred thousand smackers either.
Discussing current events with the likes of tomder55 is problematic.
To tomder as a member of the right-wing, rapidly morphing into the far right and the alt-right, words have lost their meaning. Trump himself defines "fake news" as news that treats him negatively, even though that news is demonstrably true and supported by facts. He does not associate the word "fake" with its real meaning of "untrue". This makes discussion very difficult.
The conservatives, once a bastion for the truth, have joined behind this neo-Orwellian disregard for facts in their frantic attempts to overwhelm the American body politic with a deadening ideology that is rushing full speed to the fascistic. "Truthful hyperbole" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), "alternative facts", and outright lies have become the hallmark of conservative rhetoric and all things Trump.
As an Independent, I have seen grandiose claims from both Democrats and Republicans. It is the nature of politics. But what the Republicans have achieved is far beyond anything seen previously. They have lost all credibility to the point where civil and rational discussion with them is no longer possible. To take tomder seriously and reply to him or his ilk is a "chasing after the wind" - meaningless.
To make matters even sadder, the once effective push and pull of debate that steadied the Ship of State has disappeared from public discourse. It is a harrowing time for those who love and respect truth.
If you don't want a conversation you are free to shut up I bring links ;you bring ad hominin
Israel Attacked Syria an Hour After the Iran Deal Was Ended | Time
The Dufus opened up a door for his buddy Netty.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
You miss the point. I DO want conversation, but not with the likes of you who gets his info from the thoroughly discredited Fox News and cut and paste from the alt-right.
Ad hominem is the only approach that fits you and your kind.
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