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Originally Posted by paraclete

Well if they have their way they will take over Europe and eliminate the Christians as they tried for centuries to do. By taking these people in Europe is dumbing down and they will go into cultural decline

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Christianity is what has been dumbing down Europe for millennia now! Fortunately most people in The Netherlands are atheists just like me. We don't worship the Abrahamic God, who is misogynistic, homophobic, who endorsed slavery, rape, stoning, committed genocide and is a sadistic egomaniac.

Unfortunately there are still some religious people in The Netherlands, but if I were the boss here, I would eradicate all religions, not only Islam, Hinduism and Judaism, but also Christianity. Christianity produces bigots such as Kim Davis or even Hitler. But unfortunately I am smart enough to see that Mao was right: religion is is opium for the masses and it is not that easy to take it away from them.

But if anyone would wipe out all the Christians in The Netherlands, most people that I know and love would still be here. I have over 500 Facebook friends and if 10 of them are Christians that live in The Netherlands, that will be much.

Most Christians that I know and love live in Suriname. If you really want Muslims to assimilate into The Netherlands and especially into the cities where they usually live, they will not only give up Islam, they will give up religion all together!

So if you think that you can offend me by calling Muhammad Muhatmat of whatever you wrote, you are mistaken. I think that Muhammad was a genocidal pedophile, polygynic, wifebeater and I have no respect at all for him, for Allah, for Jehova or for Jahweh. Yes a lot of Muslims are backwards barbars that beat their under age wife's, but Christians really don't have the moral high ground : The Catholic Church is a huge pedophile organisation, the FLDS is even worse, with Warren Jeffs sitting behind bars right now for being a huge pedophile, in the US and just look at all the atrocities that were done in name of Christianity including killing scholars like Galileo.

So really if you want to offend me, you need some more ammo than misspelling the name of a genocidal dictator like Assad or a genocidal pedophile prophet like Muhammad.

But since you only been saying crap here about refugees it doesn't matter what you say about me, because I know who it is coming from. I was raised as a Catholic so I do know that Jesus taught his followers to love their enemy and to turn their other cheek. Or that only he who is without sin should cast the first stone. So on top of being a bigot all of you who don't want to help refugees because they are Muslims are also bad Christians. According to your own religion your attitude will land you in hell after death! Really you claim to have the moral highground, but from where I am sitting, not so much...

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

Christianity is what has been dumbing down Europe for millennia now! Fortunately most people in The Netherlands are atheists just like me. We don't worship the Abrahamic God, who is misogynistic, homophobic, who endorsed slavery, rape, stoning, committed genocide and is a sadistic egomaniac.

Unfortunately there are still some religious people in The Netherlands, but if I were the boss here, I would eradicate all religions, not only Islam, Hinduism and Judaism, but also Christianity. Christianity produces bigots such as Kim Davis or even Hitler. But unfortunately I am smart enough to see that Mao was right: religion is is opium for the masses and it is not that easy to take it away from them.

But if anyone would wipe out all the Christians in The Netherlands, most people that I know and love would still be here. I have over 500 Facebook friends and if 10 of them are Christians that live in The Netherlands, that will be much.

Most Christians that I know and love live in Suriname. If you really want Muslims to assimilate into The Netherlands and especially into the cities where they usually live, they will not only give up Islam, they will give up religion all together!

So if you think that you can offend me by calling Muhammad Muhatmat of whatever you wrote, you are mistaken. I think that Muhammad was a genocidal pedophile, polygynic, wifebeater and I have no respect at all for him, for Allah, for Jehova or for Jahweh. Yes a lot of Muslims are backwards barbars that beat their under age wife's, but Christians really don't have the moral high ground : The Catholic Church is a huge pedophile organisation, the FLDS is even worse, with Warren Jeffs sitting behind bars right now for being a huge pedophile, in the US and just look at all the atrocities that were done in name of Christianity including killing scholars like Galileo.

So really if you want to offend me, you need some more ammo than misspelling the name of a genocidal dictator like Assad or a genocidal pedophile prophet like Muhammad.

But since you only been saying crap here about refugees it doesn't matter what you say about me, because I know who it is coming from. I was raised as a Catholic so I do know that Jesus taught his followers to love their enemy and to turn their other cheek. Or that only he who is without sin should cast the first stone. So on top of being a bigot all of you who don't want to help refugees because they are Muslims are also bad Christians. According to your own religion your attitude will land you in hell after death! Really you claim to have the moral highground, but from where I am sitting, not so much...

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And we get to the root of it. Christian Bashing by Atheists that think they are superior to everyone. Funny how so many atheists think they are somehow better than everyone and think they can berate others purely on that basis.

Its also funny how atheists are so keen to bash on Christians who have done them no harm... yet Back up Muslims and Islam which by its very nature oppress everyone.

And its also funny how the people that do the most PREACHING...tend to be the atheists. Who for some unknown reason think they alone have some mythical moral superiority.

I guess you didn't like her opinion smoothy?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I guess you didn't like her opinion smoothy?

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She's the one coming here posting with a high and mighty attitude about how the poor Muslim illegals are being unfairly picked on by "racists" because somehow they are entitled to travel half way across the earth and Demand to be in one specific place, then proceeds to bash other nationalities other races and then Just Christians... I doubt she is Atheist... more like a Muslim that won't admit it.

This has nothing to do with my agreeing with her or not... its about her overt hypocrisy and her own racism.
She has Bashed Amercans in general, specifically WHITES, she has bashed Christians... she has bashed everything outside of her rather radical narrow belief system....and she is calling others racist?

Well paraclete did say that allowing the refugees in will lead to overall dumbing down and cultural decline. I can imagine that would set some on the defensive.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well paraclete did say that allowing the refugees in will lead to overall dumbing down and cultural decline. I can imagine that would set some on the defensive.

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Nothing untrue about what paraclete said. I've seen it happening in Italy for years starting with Albanian illegals ( pretending to be refugees)...then the ROM, and just getting worse with Libya. It used to be the Gypsies committing most of the crimes.

These people are dumb as stumps... poorly educated... don't speak the language.. don't respect the any of the laws... and are responsible for a majority of the crimes.

This batch aren't going to be any different.

And yes I DO have a right to comment... My wife still holds an EU passport as well as an American one.. and I'm a legal resident there (already eligible for citizenship and have been for over 20 years)... and I have property there.

I don't say anything bad about all Refugees! However, I don't ignore all the 'kicking' done by Hungarian journalist, neither I ignore all the warm welcomes and loved poured out to those refugees. However, We cant ignore the rape, murders, throwing of food bcos its not halaal one or bcos it is given by RED CROSS to the Refugees and they refuse bcos it has RED Cross on the box... lol. If I was very hungry and somebody offered me food I will be more then grateful to those then grumbling about other small stuffs.
One more thing,
It should be noted that Galileo was never in a dungeon or tortured; during the Inquisition process he stayed mostly at the house of the Tuscan ambassador to the Vatican and for a short time in a comfortable apartment in the Inquisition building.
Are you being serious?
After the process Galileo spent six months at the palace of Ascanio Piccolomini (c. 1590-1671), the archbishop of Siena and a friend and patron, and then moved into a villa near Arcetri, in the hills above Florence. He spent the rest of his life there.

he died he died on January 8, 1642.
He dies of natural causes, No body killed him! So please stop spreading a lie or may be research well before commenting about something you don't know.
"Love your Neighbour... " As a former catholic myself I know what your talking about, I myself been in that situation and I totally empathies with you but I don't think it's a good idea to say bad things about Christians and same time talk about love for those refugees. I am sorry to say! It sound double standard! As You 'may be' know Roman Catholics (RC).. has a Romans Backgrounds and they Love & worship Christ but also His earthly mother and father Joseph and Mary and all other saints and In RC Church the only way to reach God was through A head priest/father but bible says Christ is the only way. So I don't think if you try to use RC church to justify your point towards all other Christian is a good idea. Also None is saved through their high moral values and deeds but only through faith in the Son. Anyway, I don't hate anyone, refuges, Christians, or atheist etc..
My comment is based on your warm loves towards refugees and hate towards other group of people and their God!

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Originally Posted by Precious7

I don't say anything bad about all Refugees! However, I don't ignore all the 'kicking' done by Hungarian journalist, neither I ignore all the warm welcomes and loved poured out to those refugees. However, We cant ignore the rape, murders, throwing of food bcos its not halaal one or bcos it is given by RED CROSS to the Refugees and they refuse bcos it has RED Cross on the box... lol. If I was very hungry and somebody offered me food I will be more then grateful to those then grumbling about other small stuffs.
One more thing,
It should be noted that Galileo was never in a dungeon or tortured; during the Inquisition process he stayed mostly at the house of the Tuscan ambassador to the Vatican and for a short time in a comfortable apartment in the Inquisition building.
Are you being serious?
After the process Galileo spent six months at the palace of Ascanio Piccolomini (c. 1590-1671), the archbishop of Siena and a friend and patron, and then moved into a villa near Arcetri, in the hills above Florence. He spent the rest of his life there.

he died he died on January 8, 1642.
He dies of natural causes, No body killed him! So please stop spreading a lie or may be research well before commenting about something you don't know.
"Love your Neighbour... " As a former catholic myself I know what your talking about, I myself been in that situation and I totally empathies with you but I don't think it's a good idea to say bad things about Christians and same time talk about love for those refugees. I am sorry to say! It sound double standard! As You 'may be' know Roman Catholics (RC).. has a Romans Backgrounds and they Love & worship Christ but also His earthly mother and father Joseph and Mary and all other saints and In RC Church the only way to reach God was through A head priest/father but bible says Christ is the only way. So I don't think if you try to use RC church to justify your point towards all other Christian is a good idea. Also None is saved through their high moral values and deeds but only through faith in the Son. Anyway, I don't hate anyone, refuges, Christians, or atheist etc..
My comment is based on your warm loves towards refugees and hate towards other group of people and their God!

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I don't hate any race or religion. My best friend who lives in Suriname is a Christian and I dated a lot of white guys.

I only have zero tolerance for intolerance. I hate it when someone says that Muslims are animals: they are people and that all refugees deserve to be shot, because they should stay and fight, especially when that person is a white American, because that means that that person is a descendant of immigrants themselves.

All I am trying to say it that no race or religion should feel that they are better than others, they have all did terrible things.

I also disagree with Richard Dawkins opinion regarding what happened to Ahmed Mohamed, so really I have no tolerance for intolerance, even if someone is atheist. No group is better than another group, neither are atheists. All that defines atheists is a lack of belief in deities, that's it, they can be good and bad people.

Good people help other people and need and bad people say that people in need need to be shot for being cowards. That has nothing to do with race or religion.

This is one of my favourite songs: Imagine by John Lennon and I salute Shakira for singing it to the pope recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-3wIW1Rpiw

This is what I stand for and believe in. My white atheist exboyfriend, that I dated for six years, always called me a hippie.

I don't judge all Christians based on Catholicism, Kim Davis isn't Catholic and I mentioned her too. Catholics aren't allowed to divorce (which I disagree with as well) and we all know that she had three "kind of" divorces, because she turned out to be a bigamist as well. I also mentioned Warren Jefs, another Christian that isn't a Catholic.

All that I am saying is that being Christian doesn't give you a moral high ground, like some bigots seem to think.

I say live and let live. I am in favour of gay marriage. If people are against it because of their Christian or Muslim beliefs, I find them bigots. I am in favour of divorce, no need to spend your life in an unhappy marriage, therefore I disagree with Catholicism and Jehova's witnesses. I am also pro choice, no one has the right to tell women what to do with their own bodies, and bombing abortion clinics, like some fundamentalisic Christians do, is plain terorrism, which I dissaprove of. But just like not al Christians aren't abortion clinic bombing terrorists, so aren't all Muslims terrorists and if someone says that all Muslims are terrorist, that person is an ignorant bigot, that is what I find disgusting, not the fact that he is a Christian or white. That someone calls Muslims moongod worshippers is so disrespectfull, and no one bats an eye because of that, I want to remind all of them, that just like they doesn't respect Allah, there are people out there that don't respect any imaginairy creature, like me.

Especially not that misogynistic, homophobic sadistic egomaniac that the Abrahamic God is supposed to be, according to his own "word": the Talmud, Bible and Koran. First he wants to keep Adam and Eve ignorant, when they eat of the apple of wisdom anyway, he acts like a toddler with a tantrum and curses mankind for all eternity. Then he commits genocide, by letting everyone except for Noah and his family being killed by a flood. In Sodom and Gomorra he does that again! And why the hell does he has to be so cold hearted to let Lot's wife turn into salt, because she looks back? But what he does to Job or to Egypt is so sadistic, that I really can't respect that God.

So why I have no respect for any religion or any God (allthough I don't know enough of Budhism, but it seems like a good religion to me), I can respect people that are religious, including Christians and Muslims, if they are good people. I haven't forgot about the lessons from Jesus and I find the parabel for the Good Samaritan a really wise lesson. A true follower of Christ, would keep that lesson in mind and not say something like Muslims are animals and terrorists, but they should look at someone's behaviour. Don't judge a book by its cover!

Unfortunately, there are at least two men here, bound on making me ridiculous, twisting my words all the time, that I don't respond anymore to their bigoted posts. But the way that they are conducting themselves, says more about them than about me!

Her numerous Posts in this thread have Bashed White People on a number of fronts multiple times...she has bashed Americans and Specifically USA citizens... and bashed Christians, and she has bashed White people while in turn thinkingshe is perfect and abouve reproach.

Then the fact she feels ANYONE that believes differently than her is a bigot... shows how big of a bigot she is herself.

And despite her claims otherwise... her own words prove everything that I have said. After all she has some irrational Hatred towards Americans and white people for some unknown reason. That makes her a bigot in most peoples minds. Not to mention incredibly arrogant.

I don't hate other Racial groups.... I don't hate Atheists.....I do hate Muslims and I have a damn good reason to....they have tried to kill me before...

She however hates Christians....Thinks Atheists are somehow superior to everyone...she has bashed and made derogatory statements towards Whites and US Citizens... so who is the real bigot here. She is, that's who.

Nobody has twisted a single word she has said....her own words since the title of this thread prove that she is. Because its all there for everyone to read.

And exactly where do YOU get of dictating what anyone else can think...or what other countries decide to do...and when you start insulting others...expect to get some dished back at you.

Apparently you are not old enough to see ALL of the news feeds from Muslim countries CHEERING the terrorists on 9/11.

Are are you so ignorant you think that was justified, are you so blind with your own ideology that you think all those Muslims are NOT animals. And where was ANY of YOUR so called GOOD Muslims protesting when that happened ANGAISNT the terrorists.

And exactly WHAT Muslim Charities provide aid to non-Muslims anywhere in the world? There aren't any because Islam prohibits it.

And before YOU start flapping your gums about who is conducting themselve how....YOU are the one that started Bashing WHite People and Americans early in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Precious7

I don't say anything bad about all Refugees! However, I don't ignore all the 'kicking' done by Hungarian journalist, neither I ignore all the warm welcomes and loved poured out to those refugees. However, We cant ignore the rape, murders, throwing of food bcos its not halaal one or bcos it is given by RED CROSS to the Refugees and they refuse bcos it has RED Cross on the box... lol. If I was very hungry and somebody offered me food I will be more then grateful to those then grumbling about other small stuffs.
One more thing,
It should be noted that Galileo was never in a dungeon or tortured; during the Inquisition process he stayed mostly at the house of the Tuscan ambassador to the Vatican and for a short time in a comfortable apartment in the Inquisition building.
Are you being serious?
After the process Galileo spent six months at the palace of Ascanio Piccolomini (c. 1590-1671), the archbishop of Siena and a friend and patron, and then moved into a villa near Arcetri, in the hills above Florence. He spent the rest of his life there.

he died he died on January 8, 1642.
He dies of natural causes, No body killed him! So please stop spreading a lie or may be research well before commenting about something you don't know.
"Love your Neighbour... " As a former catholic myself I know what your talking about, I myself been in that situation and I totally empathies with you but I don't think it's a good idea to say bad things about Christians and same time talk about love for those refugees. I am sorry to say! It sound double standard! As You 'may be' know Roman Catholics (RC).. has a Romans Backgrounds and they Love & worship Christ but also His earthly mother and father Joseph and Mary and all other saints and In RC Church the only way to reach God was through A head priest/father but bible says Christ is the only way. So I don't think if you try to use RC church to justify your point towards all other Christian is a good idea. Also None is saved through their high moral values and deeds but only through faith in the Son. Anyway, I don't hate anyone, refuges, Christians, or atheist etc..
My comment is based on your warm loves towards refugees and hate towards other group of people and their God!

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My apologies! The church didn't kill Galileo, but the bigoted ignorant way they treated him, is illustrative of the church dumbing Europe down:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

Thank you for pointing out that error of mine Precious! The truth is ugly enough as it is, there is no reason for me to falsify history to make a point!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well paraclete did say that allowing the refugees in will lead to overall dumbing down and cultural decline. I can imagine that would set some on the defensive.

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I am not a Muslim, so I don't have to be defensive.

Paraclete seems to think that Christianity is superior to Islam, so I had to set the record straight. I know that I won't get through to someone as ignorant as them, but, if someone else reads this thread, at least that person can check the facts and reach their own conclusion.

People like Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, but if I can even help understand one person that Muslims are people just like they are, I have reached my goal.

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

Especially not that misogynistic, homophobic sadistic egomaniac that the Abrahamic God is supposed to be, according to his own "word": the Talmud, Bible and Koran. First he wants to keep Adam and Eve ignorant, when they eat of the apple of wisdom anyway, he acts like a toddler with a tantrum and curses mankind for all eternity. Then he commits genocide, by letting everyone except for Noah and his family being killed by a flood. In Sodom and Gomorra he does that again! And why the hell does he has to be so cold hearted to let Lot's wife turn into salt, because she looks back? But what he does to Job or to Egypt is so sadistic, that I really can't respect that God.

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Someday you and I can have a private pow-wow about this. :) I'll explain what it's all about. (It's not what it seems.)

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

if I can even help understand one person that Muslims are people just like they are, I have reached my goal.

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But bashing smoothy and 'clete et al. won't make that magic understanding happen. There are better ways.

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

I am not a Muslim, so I don't have to be defensive.

Paraclete seems to think that Christianity is superior to Islam, so I had to set the record straight. I know that I won't get through to someone as ignorant as them, but, if someone else reads this thread, at least that person can check the facts and reach their own conclusion.

People like Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, but if I can even help understand one person that Muslims are people just like they are, I have reached my goal.

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Really YOU are the person making slurs against Americans and White people and Christians... You are so arrogant you are incapable of grasping the concept that your world view exists only in your own head...

MILLIONS of Muslims support Terrorism... that means Millions of Muslims are subhuman. Millions are not an insignificant number. Dozens maybe... I might even agree with hundreds, but Millions not a chance.

And here YOU go again.. suporting Islam... the Religion of hatred and oppression... Christianity IS superior to Islam... In fact so is every other religion as well as Atheism. Everything is superior to Islam. Because except for any Cults out there....none oppress or preach hatred like Islam does.

Funny for someone who claims to be an Atheist... you have some unholy Love for Islam. Its obvious you know little about it.


Facts?...your fantasies and world view are sadly lacking in any facts....Mine are based completely on facts...and personal direct ACTUAL experience. Which DWARFS any life experience you have had so far.

And YOU opened yourself up for this when you started Bashing Americans and white people earlier. I have every right to dish it back because I am both White AND American....and damn proud of it.


And all the "Genocides" you blamed White people for....if you have half the education you think you have...you would know all the biggest ones were committed by Atheists ( and they were NOT all White either)( does Stalin, MAO and Pol Pot come to mind? And they killed far more than Hitler as bad as he was)...followed by Muslims (convert or die every place they ever invaded and still do to this current day). The other groups being far less significant than those.

Unless you plan to dream up some more Facts.

Apparently you were not old enough to vividly remember the world wide coverage of Muslims cheering on 9/11. I and many of us on the other hand were....and will never forget it. THAT said everything about Islam that anyone needs to know.

And I narrowly escaped being one of those 9/11 victims...so EXCUSE me if I get extremely IRATE when someone claims that was a minority. Beause that apparently doesn't fit into the fantasy world view you have. Sorry but reality isn't always pretty.

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Someday you and I can have a private pow-wow about this. :) I'll explain what it's all about. (It's not what it seems.)


But bashing smoothy and 'clete et al. won't make that magic understanding happen. There are better ways.

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They started the bashing first, and since I am not a Chistian anymore, I don't have to turn the other cheek anymore:-). I really don't see why I can't call bigots bigots, if they called me ignorant, that I should be ashamed of myself, naïve, a teenager, lying that I am an atheist, while I am a closeted Muslim etc.

And all the bad things that they do say about Muslims, are things that they are saying about my mother, my mothers family, my Muslim colleagues (at the gym) and my one Muslim friend. So although they aren't calling me an barbaric animal and terrorist, they are saying that about people that I love, which is also disrespectfull towards me.

I watched the movie My Name is Khan recently, because it is about Asperger's Syndrome. But it is also about the atrocious way in which Muslims are treated in the US today. When I saw it, I thought that they were excaggerating the situation for dramatic effect, but now that I have met Smoothy and Raclete, I know that it unfortunately isn't just fiction. You should really watch that movie if you haven't seen it, it really made me cry!

I am really shocked by the hatred those two are shamelessly exhibiting towards Muslims. People like them give Christians a bad name. I am really, really, really shocked.

But indeed, my question was, what does work against that? Is there an answer to that question? Do you know it? Because honestly, I am inclined to just give up hope of a tolerant planet, like the one John Lennon imagined. I am glad that I don't have children, so I don't have to worry about what world they need to live in or worry about them getting poisoned with hate against Muslims or refugees.

I am watching reruns of Dr. Quinn. On today's show, they build a school, that wasn't accesible for the black or Indian children, only for the white children and the reverent of Colorado Springs was okay with that. I thought, we are living a 150 years later, but unfortunately, that way of thinking hasn't been abolished my mankind.

Why didn't you speak up, about the disrespect towards Muslims? Do you think that it is okay call Muslims moongod worshippers, terrorists or animals? Or do you think that Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, so that it is a waste of your time and energy to confront them with the baseless hatred that they are exhibiting?

Yes Christianity is superior to Islam, Islam does not offer eternal salvation, it offers a life of trying to appease God with your works and what is the chief work by which an islamic nut case can arrive in paradise, kill yourself in a religious cause. Of course, Christianity is superior to that. You forget even muslims believe in Jesus Christ they just have a confused view of who he is

I am opposed to the attitude of these muslims who invade the countries of others, who kill and mame each other and if you have ever been in a muslim country you will know live in abject squalor when their leaders live in luxury. I can understand why they want to get out but there is such a thing as the rule of law which needs to be respected. I am opposed to Daesh and everything it stands for. I am opposed to a people who would cheer when the towers were attacked and thousands killed and I am opposed to a people who would tear their country apart because of a 1,400 year old schism and then flee rather than fight. I am opposed to religious idiots like the Taliban, you like Islam, go and get a taste of what theirs is like for a woman

In this world people are judged by their actions

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Why didn't you speak up, about the disrespect towards Muslims? Do you think that it is okay call Muslims moongod worshippers, terrorists or animals? Or do you think that Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, so that it is a waste of your time and energy to confront them with the baseless hatred that they are exhibiting?

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I've been biding my time until the vitriol has dispersed and I can get a word in edgewise. :)

My experiences with Muslims have been always good ones.

And today my older son was finally officially and formally diagnosed with Asperger's, so thank you, misspurple, for your advice in the past.

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Yep: Debunking: we spoke to the guy who shot the video purportedly showing migrants refusing Red Cross aid - Il Post

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Thank you. It is really nice to have someone else on this thread who is not buying into or helping spreading all the Islamophobic nonsense that I am reading here!

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They started the bashing first, and since I am not a Chistian anymore, I don't have to turn the other cheek anymore:-). I really don't see why I can't call bigots bigots, if they called me ignorant, that I should be ashamed of myself, naïve, a teenager, lying that I am an atheist, while I am a closeted Muslim etc.

And all the bad things that they do say about Muslims, are things that they are saying about my mother, my mothers family, my Muslim colleagues (at the gym) and my one Muslim friend. So although they aren't calling me an barbaric animal and terrorist, they are saying that about people that I love, which is also disrespectfull towards me.

I watched the movie My Name is Khan recently, because it is about Asperger's Syndrome. But it is also about the atrocious way in which Muslims are treated in the US today. When I saw it, I thought that they were excaggerating the situation for dramatic effect, but now that I have met Smoothy and Raclete, I know that it unfortunately isn't just fiction. You should really watch that movie if you haven't seen it, it really made me cry!

I am really shocked by the hatred those two are shamelessly exhibiting towards Muslims. People like them give Christians a bad name. I am really, really, really shocked.

But indeed, my question was, what does work against that? Is there an answer to that question? Do you know it? Because honestly, I am inclined to just give up hope of a tolerant planet, like the one John Lennon imagined. I am glad that I don't have children, so I don't have to worry about what world they need to live in or worry about them getting poisoned with hate against Muslims or refugees.

I am watching reruns of Dr. Quinn. On today's show, they build a school, that wasn't accesible for the black or Indian children, only for the white children and the reverent of Colorado Springs was okay with that. I thought, we are living a 150 years later, but unfortunately, that way of thinking hasn't been abolished my mankind.

Why didn't you speak up, about the disrespect towards Muslims? Do you think that it is okay call Muslims moongod worshippers, terrorists or animals? Or do you think that Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, so that it is a waste of your time and energy to confront them with the baseless hatred that they are exhibiting?

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Hey, so YOU are a liar too... that's obvious... You love to dish it out but you aren't mature enough to take it... Oh poor thing. All you have done is Bash Americans, white people and Christians... anyone who does not agree with your marrow minded world view. After all YOU called everyone that disagreed with you bigots.

There is a better word for people like you... but unlike you... I'm mature enough to not throw it out there.

I don't care if you are Female... the minute you start berating others that disagree with you... then you get treated like any guy who does it.

I normally wouldn't wish many of the things I've seen and experienced on anyone else.....but you've earned it. I do hope you get to see many if not all the things I have. Because that's what it would take for you to see how wrong you are about everything.

Maybe the next terrorist strike in Europe will kill some people you know well and maybe it will almost kill you, that way you can think about it almost every day for decades to come. When that happens come back and tell us you feel the same way about the true Islam.

Maybe you will see close up and smell over a hundred dead and burned bodies killed by Muslims for no valid reason in just ONE location...let that smell be stuck in your head for decades later, and that vision haunt you in your sleep for just as long....or the hundreds of others.

Until you have experienced that....then you aren't qualified to comment on how I think and what I say about that certain group.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I've been biding my time until the vitriol has dispersed and I can get a word in edgewise. :)

My experiences with Muslims have been always good ones.

And today my older son was finally officially and formally diagnosed with Asperger's, so thank you, misspurple, for your advice in the past.

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mean?

You're welcome:-)! Have you seen My Name is Khan yet? That movie is made in cooperation with the UK foundation for autism, to give an as accurate as possible depiction of Asperger's, so it is really a must see. I had my mother, my baby sister and a good friend of mine watch the movie as well! Just keep some tissues at hand, when you are going to watch it!

I agree with the mother of Khan in that movie: there are only two kinds of people, good people and bad people, religion has nothing to do with it!

I haven't seen that movie, so will be sure to get it and watch it. And you read Be Different by John Elder Robison. Also, Tony Attwood has written books on Asperger's.

"...biding my time" -- waiting
"vitriol" -- cruel and bitter criticism

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I haven't seen that movie, so will be sure to get it and watch it. And you read Be Different by John Elder Robison. Also, Tony Attwood has written books on Asperger's.

"...biding my time" -- waiting
"vitriol" -- cruel and bitter criticism

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It doesn't seem that the vitriol is ending. Now I have also been called a liar. All the vitriol doesn't even make sense!

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

It doesn't seem that the vitriol is ending. Now I have also been called a liar. All the vitriol doesn't even make sense!

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Take the high road! I know you have constructive things to say. So let's talk about what might be good for countries that accept these Syrians, etc. And what might become problems.

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I don't judge all Christians based on Catholicism, Kim Davis isn't Catholic and I mentioned her too. Catholics aren't allowed to divorce (which I disagree with as well) and we all know that she had three "kind of" divorces, because she turned out to be a bigamist as well. I also mentioned Warren Jefs, another Christian that isn't a Catholic.

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I think while reading Kim Davis reports, you missed the part where it says that, When she was not "born again" or really ''following Christ" She did those divorces. So it all happened before even She was a Christian. And did you also missed the part where she also refused to issues the license for even non-gay- couple/ straight couple. Why don't you get angry for that. She never stopped her fellow officers to issues license to any gay-couple.

When Muslim extremist killed few people because they were "Gay", [and that's a horrible thing to do :( ]. However, there was not much people who were bashing for this instance but when "Kim Davis" instance happened, every one was like furious. Kim Davis didn't kill anyone! Why this double standard?. Do you remember the earlier days when there were no rights for LGBT people and they were really sad and asking rights for them, and they were saying that we Just need equal rights nothing else, we just need Love nothing else, we just need etc... And when they have given everything been are asking for! Now they Hate Christians, even though Christians don't hate them. You don't have to agree on everything in order to be nice right? Now Christian are showing somewhat tolerance, but where is LGBT people tolerance gone? They were Just asking for Love right? One friend kills you if they don't agree with you or vice versa then you don't say anything about them but other Friend Just refuse and let you live.. but You become angry and furious! Why that Partiality!

Ok- Yesterday. There was shooting and many people died Christian/Non Christian but Christian people were targeted "Oregon mass shooting"... what do you say about that?

I have a lot of Muslim friends since Childhood, I grew up with them side by side... they have innocently shared the stuffs I will never forget in my life, I cried with them, I prayed for them and I also know that not every other Muslim person is a terrorist.

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Especially not that misogynistic, homophobic sadistic egomaniac that the Abrahamic God is supposed to be, according to his own "word": the Talmud, Bible and Koran. First he wants to keep Adam and Eve ignorant, when they eat of the apple of wisdom anyway, he acts like a toddler with a tantrum and curses mankind for all eternity. Then he commits genocide, by letting everyone except for Noah and his family being killed by a flood. In Sodom and Gomorra he does that again! And why the hell does he has to be so cold hearted to let Lot's wife turn into salt, because she looks back? But what he does to Job or to Egypt is so sadistic, that I really can't respect that God.

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I would like to think that You know About "New testament" in the Bible. So I don't know why you are saying these... And I understand that you don't understand why those things happened, but it doesn't mean that You have to talk Bad about anyone's God. Ok if you acknowledge these part then Where is the Part When It say That "For God so Loved the WORLD the He gave His Only Son for us...to die in our place" etc.. Why don't You acknowledge about this? If you want to be fair then Be really fair!
Buddha? His real name is 'Siddharta Gautam', Do you know He abandoned his wife and son 'Rahul'? Charity starts form a Home right?

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

They started the bashing first, and since I am not a Chistian anymore, I don't have to turn the other cheek anymore:-). I really don't see why I can't call bigots bigots, if they called me ignorant, that I should be ashamed of myself, naïve, a teenager, lying that I am an atheist, while I am a closeted Muslim etc.

And all the bad things that they do say about Muslims, are things that they are saying about my mother, my mothers family, my Muslim colleagues (at the gym) and my one Muslim friend. So although they aren't calling me an barbaric animal and terrorist, they are saying that about people that I love, which is also disrespectfull towards me.

I watched the movie My Name is Khan recently, because it is about Asperger's Syndrome. But it is also about the atrocious way in which Muslims are treated in the US today. When I saw it, I thought that they were excaggerating the situation for dramatic effect, but now that I have met Smoothy and Raclete, I know that it unfortunately isn't just fiction. You should really watch that movie if you haven't seen it, it really made me cry!

I am really shocked by the hatred those two are shamelessly exhibiting towards Muslims. People like them give Christians a bad name. I am really, really, really shocked.

But indeed, my question was, what does work against that? Is there an answer to that question? Do you know it? Because honestly, I am inclined to just give up hope of a tolerant planet, like the one John Lennon imagined. I am glad that I don't have children, so I don't have to worry about what world they need to live in or worry about them getting poisoned with hate against Muslims or refugees.

I am watching reruns of Dr. Quinn. On today's show, they build a school, that wasn't accesible for the black or Indian children, only for the white children and the reverent of Colorado Springs was okay with that. I thought, we are living a 150 years later, but unfortunately, that way of thinking hasn't been abolished my mankind.

Why didn't you speak up, about the disrespect towards Muslims? Do you think that it is okay call Muslims moongod worshippers, terrorists or animals? Or do you think that Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, so that it is a waste of your time and energy to confront them with the baseless hatred that they are exhibiting?

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''My Name is KHAN and I am Not a terrorist! What a dialogue ''.. I love Sharukh Khan! I am a Fan. ;).
Anyway, It goes same for others as well, As not all muslims are terrosist like wise not all Christian Hate Muslims or refuges or atheist etc...

Pescious you are talking to an atheist, a person who has made a conscious decision to abandon God, and that is undoubtedly because all she really knew is religion not relationship with Christ. There are also obviously life experiences that cause a reaction. She also feels a need to justify her position. What is going on here is that she denys everyone else the right to have an opinion based on their life experiences. Some of us have had negative experiences associated with muslims. There are a lot of bleeding hearts in Europe, people who are saying " Oh those poor people". I can understand their need to do something about it, but there are consequences. It is not so long ago the dutch saw the reaction of muslims but they have short memories

This vitriol was brought on by you. You offended white people, you offended ALL Americans... Not just the USA, but everyone from Canada to Argentina. Everyone on the American Continent is American, North, Central and South America.

Then you started calling everyone who disagrees with you bigots. Its clear you do not understand what that term actually implies.

You also made a number of other accusations based in your incorrect education or just assumptions of people that were there and know better.

Your perspective is based exclusively on biased sources.. your teachers all have a particular bias... the news has a very strong bias... the Internet is unreliable and has a bias...

And you are arguing with people who were there.. saw things with their own eyes, knows exactly what did and didn't happen.

Something you will never get from the news... because there is no such thing anywhere as unbiased news coverage. Its all biased. No matter if its video, audio print or electronic in nature.

smoothy, we each have our own experience. Yours is different from mine, and misspurple's is different from yours (and mine). Let's learn from each other and not argue with each other. That accomplishes nothing (as you well know).

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

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Exactly! I've reading all the news releases on the Oregon shooter. I think we have a bigger problem with mentally ill people (young males???) than we do with guns.

And the gun laws already in existence are not being obeyed/followed.

Good point Karma, americans do have an elephant in the room they aren't willing to address, in fact they have a whole herd. These killings are deplorable, what is worse the victims were singled out on religious grounds.

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Originally Posted by Precious7

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I think while reading Kim Davis reports, you missed the part where it says that, When she was not "born again" or really ''following Christ" She did those divorces. So it all happened before even She was a Christian. And did you also missed the part where she also refused to issues the license for even non-gay- couple/ straight couple. Why don't you get angry for that. She never stopped her fellow officers to issues license to any gay-couple.

When Muslim extremist killed few people because they were "Gay", [and that's a horrible thing to do :( ]. However, there was not much people who were bashing for this instance but when "Kim Davis" instance happened, every one was like furious. Kim Davis didn't kill anyone! Why this double standard?. Do you remember the earlier days when there were no rights for LGBT people and they were really sad and asking rights for them, and they were saying that we Just need equal rights nothing else, we just need Love nothing else, we just need etc... And when they have given everything been are asking for! Now they Hate Christians, even though Christians don't hate them. You don't have to agree on everything in order to be nice right? Now Christian are showing somewhat tolerance, but where is LGBT people tolerance gone? They were Just asking for Love right? One friend kills you if they don't agree with you or vice versa then you don't say anything about them but other Friend Just refuse and let you live.. but You become angry and furious! Why that Partiality!

Ok- Yesterday. There was shooting and many people died Christian/Non Christian but Christian people were targeted "Oregon mass shooting"... what do you say about that?

I have a lot of Muslim friends since Childhood, I grew up with them side by side... they have innocently shared the stuffs I will never forget in my life, I cried with them, I prayed for them and I also know that not every other Muslim person is a terrorist.

I would like to think that You know About "New testament" in the Bible. So I don't know why you are saying these... And I understand that you don't understand why those things happened, but it doesn't mean that You have to talk Bad about anyone's God. Ok if you acknowledge these part then Where is the Part When It say That "For God so Loved the WORLD the He gave His Only Son for us...to die in our place" etc.. Why don't You acknowledge about this? If you want to be fair then Be really fair!
Buddha? His real name is 'Siddharta Gautam', Do you know He abandoned his wife and son 'Rahul'? Charity starts form a Home right?

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I have absolutely no respect or tolerance for bigots. If Muslims kill gay people for being gay, that is a hate crime and needs to be punished. Anyone needs to be punished for that. There are also Christian countries where being gay is still punishable by death in Africa. I am against laws that go against the human rights. Some of those countries even joined those treaties, but don't uphold them. I really hate that we can't stop all injustice in the world, but I do support Amnesty International. Of course, killing is worse than not being able to get married. But all injustice against everyone, including the LGBT needs to stop.

I have a huge problem with intolerance, and because a lot of intolerance is rooted in religions, I have a problem with religions. Yes I know about the new testament, I even quoted it here: turn your other cheek, love thy neighbour, the good Samaritan, he who is without sin, should cast the first stone, help the poor and needy, but it seems that people who call themselves Christians like Smoothy and Paraclete don't know about that part of the Bible, since they call Muslims animals and Smoothy thinks that all refugees need to be shot. The pope is against gay marriage and divorce, based on the entire Bible. I am against limiting people's freedom, so if the pope who knows the entire Bible well, still reaches that conclusion, that book is really too intolerant for me.

I know that Kim Davis converted, but that doesn't matter to me. I think that it is hypocritical of her to want to limit the civil rights of others, when she made use of those of her herself. I have a problem with people that wants to limit other people's choices because of their beliefs. Kim Davis is one of them.

Yes, I know that Siddharta Gautam left his wive and son but like I said earlier, I am pro divorce as well. He left them well cared for! I am against forcing people that don't want to be married anymore, to stay married. My parents had an unhappy marriage, they were really toxic, always fighting. It would have been so much better if they had just gotten a divorce! So I am not dissaproving of Budism, because Siddharta Gautam left his family.

I don't know about which hostility of the LGBT community you are talking about, but as long as there still are homophobes in the US, it is only logical that the LGBT community will rise against that. It doesn't matter that in other countries being gay is punishable by death, all bigotry should end! It is easier to fight against a smaller injustice in your own country than to a bigger one far away.

Some of the Syrian refugees that come to The Netherlands are pedophiles, married to girls younger than 16!! We couldn't do anything about that when they were still in Syria, but now that they are coming here, we should stop that! According to Dutch law, sex with a child under 16 is illegal, unless you are married. They should really remove that unless you are married part from the law, to prosecute these lowlife pedophiles!

I read the news about Muslims in refugeecenters attacking the non-Muslims there! That is unacceptable! Here in The Netherlands you don't get a visa anymore if you commit an act of violence. I say zero tolerance, at the first infraction, we should send them back. Too bad that Syria is being bombed by Russia, France and the US, if you don't respect people that aren't Muslim, you have no business coming to Europe! I also heard that on one of the boats to Europe some Muslims had thrown some Christians overboard. That kind of zealot criminals aren't welcome here! The men that committed those murders at the sea, immediately got arrested the moment they reached Europe. But we can't go outside of Europe to arrest every murderer there. I really wish that it was possible to arrest everyone worldwide that doesn't respect human rights, but we simply don't have the power to do so. We just have to start somewhere.

There is a lot wrong in the world and there is more wrong outside the west than within the west. But that doesn't mean that everything in the west is okay and that we should accept what is wrong here.

Here in The Netherlands we have a racist phenomenon, called Black Pete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet it is disrespectful towards people of African Origine, but most Dutch people don't want to recognise that. A lot of people say that we shouldn't care about it or that the UN has better things to worry about, but that doesn't matter. It is really awfull what happens outside of The Netherlands, but this injustice in The Netherlands, that kills no one, also needs to end! People have even issued death threats against people that speak up against Black Pete!

What happened in Oregon was horrible. All that I heard about it, here in The Netherlands, is that apparently the shooter had a specific hate towards Christians. I don't know why, but I hope that it is clear by now, that I think that it is wrong to hate people because they are part of a group, whether they are Christians, Muslims, refugees or whatever. Hating people is wrong, period. I have no symphaty for any mass shooter, whatsoever, they are all psychopaths, bad people! Whatever justification they give, no justification is good enough to randomly kill people! The only justification for taking a life is self defense.

And about God giving his only son. I am totally not impressed. For me that is no compensation for every atrocity that he committed in the old testament. And what does giving mean? Parents that give their child up for adoption are really giving their child away, but since God is all seeing, he could watch his son every single second. He never had to worry about what would happen to him, because if he wanted to, he could intervene at any time. And didn't Jesus return to God in the end, with ascenscion? So if you ask me, God only lend us Jesus for 33 years and for an infinite being like him, 33 years is nothing! So really I am totally not impressed by what God has done to show his love for human kind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

This is what Stephen Fry has to say about God and that is how I see God as well!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

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Canada is far from being perfect...and those mass murders in nearly every case has turned out to be a liberal that should either be in jail..or in a mental ward.

Particularly since Canadian law prohibits naming people who commit crimes, their rights are so overwhelmingly important and all.....and in some cases even reporting on the crime.

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Originally Posted by Precious7

''My Name is KHAN and I am Not a terrorist! What a dialogue ''.. I love Sharukh Khan! I am a Fan. ;).
Anyway, It goes same for others as well, As not all muslims are terrosist like wise not all Christian Hate Muslims or refuges or atheist etc...

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I know that:-D! There are lots of Christians that I do love and respect. Like my best friend for example. Her mother is worth her weight in gold and very religious!

I am actually shocked by the hatred that I encountered on this thread. I didn't expect it, so it is not the typical idea that I have of Christians, not at all! Two years ago I was still a Christian myself and I never hated Muslims or refugees or atheist back then. I dated an atheist for six years while I was a Catholic myself!

And the guy from Guinee that I dated, was both a Muslim and refugee, while I was still a Catholic, no hatred there either!

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Exactly! I've reading all the news releases on the Oregon shooter. I think we have a bigger problem with mentally ill people (young males???) than we do with guns.

And the gun laws already in existence are not being obeyed/followed.

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I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It's not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

If you read the descriptions of his behavior, he showed shades of autism, but that's not a mental illness and not the whole story. His total behavior pattern fits in the mental illness framework. And there's a cohort of angry young males that he apparently hung out with online -- they claim pretty girls ignore them, they have no friends, they can't carry on conversations with anyone, they feel everyone is against them.

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It's not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

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You can object all you want... but the fact is... not everyone that does that is evil... a lot of them ARE mentally ill. And it has nothing to do with what race someone is. Despite what some website might claim.

Normal, well adjusted people just don't wake up and decide "I'm going to kill a bunch of people today". What is common is they are all quick to blame everyone else but themselves. When there really is nobody else to blame BUT themselves.

Nobody is taught personal responsibility growing up these days.

And I did grow up with several people that did end up in jail for killing someone. One of them never was right in the head..and an other was nothing but trouble the entire time I knew him. Another (this one always brings smile to my face) who I had nothing but trouble with in school....got his head blown off attempting an armed robbery of a gas station. Thank goodness criminals are NOT the only people with guns in the USA unlike a lot of places where people are defenseless..

Ever notice all Mass Shootings happen in Gun Free Zones? Nobody ever points that out....nobody nearby to stop the criminal.

And yes there ARE lots of Criminals with Guns In Europe....despite draconian gun laws.

I had one pulled on me there 24 years ago back when it was a LOT safer there

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

If you read the descriptions of his behavior, he showed shades of autism, but that's not a mental illness and not the whole story. His total behavior pattern fits in the mental illness framework. And there's a cohort of angry young males that he apparently hung out with online -- they claim pretty girls ignore them, they have no friends, they can't carry on conversations with anyone, they feel everyone is against them.

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You are talking about Elliot Rodgers as well. His father claimed that he probably had Asperger's, but he was never formally diagnosed. As soon as people have less than average social skills, people are calling them autistic, but that is so unfair and stigmatising! I seem to have great social skills. So when I accidentally say something blunt, without being aware of it, people think that I am being mean on purpose. I have to constantly remind a friend of mine that I don't like big parties. This Monday she said, but you aren't shy, I said yes, just because I can handle myself at a party, doesn't mean that I am enjoying myself! I can engage in small talk, but I hate small talk and that is all that you engage in, at parties. I like intense one on one conversations more, but usually there is no room for that on parties.

People have a stereotype idea of people on the spectrum. I don't fit that stereotype, so people don't think of me as autistic. But I do have autistic preferences, like watching science fiction, but if I tell people that I went to the latest Star Trek movie, they think that I went because of a guy... Really exhausting!

So as someone on the spectrum I really object to people pointing towards autism as a cause or excuse for this. Elliot Rodger was a petty misogynist. That has nothing to do with being on the spectrum!

I am on the spectrum and I have no intention of ever going on a killing spree! Our brains are wired differently, but not more violent than those who aren't on the spectrum!

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Originally Posted by misspurple77

I am on the spectrum and I have no intention of ever going on a killing spree! Our brains are wired differently, but not more violent than those who aren't on the spectrum!

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You may remember I married a guy on the spectrum, his father was on the spectrum, and our son was finally diagnosed today. And I said the Oregon shooter had autism traits but that isn't the whole or real story. His problems went much deeper than that. Even his parents reported mental illness. We have yet to hear if he had been diagnosed or that was their excuse for his problems and social avoidance. He wanted to be somebody, so chose mass murder as the way to do that.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You may remember I married a guy on the spectrum, his father was on the spectrum, and our son was finally diagnosed today. And I said the Oregon shooter had autism traits but that isn't the whole or real story. His problems went much deeper than that. Even his parents reported mental illness. We have yet to hear if he had been diagnosed or that was their excuse for his problems and social avoidance. He wanted to be somebody, so chose mass murder as the way to do that.

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Yes, to me this sounds like a cop out by his parents, just like the father of Elliot Rodger did. They don't want to accept the fact that they had a horrible son, so they blame mental illnes, very selfish, because they are stigmatising mental illnes in that way. Did you read the article that I posted?

Let's get this straight for the record anyone who wants to go and kill a group of people is mentaly ill, they are deranged for whatever reason. It is not a racial thing confined to "white" males. Right now in the ME there are people who are not "white" males doing deranged things, same in places like Nigeria. Ihe issues may however have a religious base as was so in Oregon.