Well thanks for admitting it was YOU guys that gave us Bush, and we all know that was a BUST!
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Well thanks for admitting it was YOU guys that gave us Bush, and we all know that was a BUST!
I'm not a one man woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And I won't disagree. Racism is alive and well.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes, they are. For the most part the black population are hard workers. They are trying to get out of the system. They want to better themselves. There are the few that find it easier to live off the system, sell drugs, be thugs, etc. This is the minority, but it's what makes the mainstream media. It's not what is representative of the culture as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Typically, no. And I mean no disrespect, but this is how it happens. When a black woman comes to my unit thinking she is in labor, she is accompanied by a multitude of friends, family members and neighbors. When a Caucasian woman comes up to my department, she is accompanied by her spouse or significant other. Only one or two family members versus 15 or 20. Yes, 15 or 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Empathy is my middle name.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm happy to know that you think I sound better today, but in all actuality I am worse. To be brutally honest, not racist, I delivered a baby to an emergency cesarean section last night, father was there prior to the delivery but was nowhere to be found afterwards. Mom bled out, and almost died. Yes, she was black, and I saved her life. The thing that upsets me is that many of you listen to the mainstream media and make concrete decisions. Very few of you actually live what is going on. You can watch your media, whether it be FOXNEXS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. but until you actually live it... And I've lived it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Look at what you guys gave us... OWEbama... someone that has actually made Jimmy Carter look good... before he dies of old age.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Sorry, but Bushes worst moments were better than OWEbamas best. And anything good Obama has done requires a lot of long hard difficult looking to find. I can't remember any... but I do remember that there was one thing.
Guess that's why you want another Bush in office. Must be frustrating living and working among all those liberals.
Who are "all of these people" you speak of...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Last I've heard Jeb doesn't have a very strong following inside the Republican circles.
Most of what liberals complain about was brought down on them by their own liberal politicians...
The major failing in Liberal philosophy is that its exactly like the instincts of crabs....You can have an open Bushed basket filled to the top....and none will ever rise and escape because the other crabs pull any that try back into the basket.
Tal how big is the black youth you speak of couldn't be much more than 5% of the population, but in actual numbers that is a lot of people with nothing better to do. These and other poor groups are those who may never have a job because the jobs aren't there despite the allegation they must be there because the illegals keep coming. The illegals keep coming because they have nothing where they are and if you turn off the welfare tap they might stop coming excepting something is better than nothing. I'm guessing there are no farm jobs in the cities where the black youth are and plenty of people prepared to run a nice little sweat shop
you think the millions of illegals here are doing farm work ? get a clue ,the bulk of them are settling in the urban areas ;especially where idiot progressives declare their towns 'sanctuary cities " . Like I said ,the lure here has to be either the jobs ,or the very generous welfare system . With the labor participation rate at historic lows it is absurd to suggest that we need more workers ;especially low skilled workers .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Tom, how is it you have a welfare system that supports non-citizens? Don't these people have to satisfy visa, birth, or residency or other criteria? This is like shooting yourself in the foot. I understand the problem, we already have enough camel drivers, and we have a million camels, but you don't have any camels. You notice Tom I also spoke about sweat shops so I'm not foolish enough to think the jobs are agricultural, the more people you have the more construction you have, etc
not my idea. Now you will hear that illegals don't qualify for welfare . This is true technically ;BUT our laws say that anyone born inside the country is an American citizen .So the children of illegal immigrants that are born in the United States are eligible for the full spread of government welfare benefits, including Social Security and Medicare.Now that these illegals have given birth to U.S. citizens, the families are eligible for benefits . Not only that ,but once the children are born ,it's impossible to deport the parents because that would mean separating parents from kids ,or deporting an American citizen also.Quote:
Tom, how is it you have a welfare system that supports non-citizens? Don't these people have to satisfy visa, birth, or residency or other criteria? This is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Yes it is shooting ourselves in the foot with a cannon. This is why Trump has caught on .
Yes they have moved on to jobs where someone could make a living in the trades . American employers are part of the problem there too . But we have to start by controlling the borders and ,enforcing 'E-Verify ' for all employment .Quote:
You notice Tom I also spoke about sweat shops so I'm not foolish enough to think the jobs are agricultural, the more people you have the more construction you have, etc
Verify what? That they have a social security number? By your own words undoubtedly they will have or they are very recent arrivals. I can understand that once you wanted all these new arrivals, "give me your huddled masses" or something like that, but if you keep going like that there will be standing room only. No Trump is right bulld a big concrete fence it might keep 90% out and it will employ a lot of people, or you could just legalise drugs and take over the market, it would pay off your deficit quickly
You mean the JOB creators are part of the problem?Quote:
American employers are part of the problem there too .
Hello again,
You KNOW who Mark Fuhrman is, don't you??? He's the racist ex-cop who FOX News puts on all the time to opine about police relations with the black community... What's funny, is that NOBODY mentions that he's a VIRULENT racist. They listen to him with pinched noses and creased brows as though he's saying something IMPORTANT, as though they should LISTEN. It's as if they don't even KNOW he's a racist.. If they were fair and balanced, they'd have somebody like ME on pointing out that he's a RACIST BASTARD..
This thread sounds like that to me..
I'm a simple man. I BELIEVE we're all the same. If ONE group starts acting differently, BECAUSE we're all the same, the cause is EXTERNAL. It simply CAN'T be them, because we're all the same.. Therefore, if you point to THEM, or even SOME of them, as being the cause of their own problems, you're a racist.
Anybody wanna say I'm wrong??
excon
if some of them are breaking the law they should be duly punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Catch me if you can, wonderful system free enterprise means you never have to be responsible for anything
the system is in place . all it takes is the will to enforce existing law, something the emperor has problems with in his rush to create law by executive fiat .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The problem with illegals tapping into the social welfare system could easily be solved by changing the 'birthright ' provisions of the law. This comes from a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment . Under the amendment children of LEGAL immigration have automatic citizenship. The lawmakers who gave us Title III of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 expanded birthright to children of anyone born in the country . It is an absurd law ,and the only other country with such expansive definitions of citizenship is Canada. It is probably the biggest single cause of illegal immigration (not jobs as the narrative says ) .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism
What seems strange to me Tom is the source of illegal immigration into Canada is the US, if their laws are so bad they should have the problem too. Your problem isn't Obama it is the administrations of many years who have not enforced the law. I recall all the things that you blamed on Obama that were the legacies of various other administrations. Now I'm not defending him, no doubt he has made his mistakes but he has had help, heapin helpins of hospitality among them
You're right Clete, previous presidents have granted AMNESTY for illegals and congress has gone along with it.
Illegal Immigrants: How Many Times Has U.S. Granted Large-Scale Amnesty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986
It's not just Obama as you say, but I told you to not listen to the wingers version of the FACTS. If they get the White House in 2016 everything Obama has been talking about will be done and of course they will take credit for it. Obstruction, stalling, and hollering repeal this or that is their WHOLE platform.Quote:
You would think they would repeal legal stealing and slavery, by the "job creators" but they haven't.
When did I say Obama was the problem (except to point out his use of executive fiat to bypass laws he doesn't like ) ? The problems origin I pointed out was in the Johnson Adm.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As I have discussed many times ;Simpson -Mazolli was one of those 'bipartisan deals you progressives love to talk about where your agenda gets priority in exchange for future obligations that amazingly never happen. In this case Amnesty came first on the promise of border security measures . Well we found out how good you guys are at keeping your end of the deal . Then you wonder why the Republicans are less inclined to make these type of deals again ? Because they don't want to end up like Charlie Brown .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055wFyO6gag
Come off it Tom, you guys balk at doing what it takes fiscally to secure a border. The Senate Immigration reform bill has all the provisions you guys have asked for, yet it died in the house. A repub house no less.
Talk about strawman arguments! You're good.
No Tal he just twists the facts to exclude the republican malaise and blames the democrats. Obama has a hard job governing an ungovernable country and so will his successor. A two party system is an excuse for deadlock
you mean the gang of 8 shamnesty ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Show me the border control provision in the plan . That was a classic example of what we get from bi-partisan deals ........nothing .Marco Rubio admits he made a mistake supporting it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_o...t_(immigration)
Clete ,if you lived here you would be on my side because there is no way your country would tolerate millions of illegals taking jobs and sucking on the teat of the welfare system.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
This is the link Tom intended to post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...on_Act_of_2013
You're welcomeQuote:
.... It would also make the border more secure by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents......
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates this reform bill would reduce the US fiscal deficit by US$197 billion over the next ten years and by $700 billion by 2033.[5] Its report also states that, if this bill becomes law, US wages would be 0.1 percent lower in 2023 and 0.5 percent higher in 2033 than under current law.[6] The Social Security Administration says that this bill, if it becomes law, would help add $276 billion in revenue over the next 10 years while costing only $33 billion..........
The House opposed it because of the lessons they learned from Simpson -Mazzoli . Here's the facts ;you will never get "comprehensive immigration reform " because we know your side is not trustworthy .Pass border security reform 1st then we'll talk .
This is what Rubio said after his painful lesson ..“But what I’ve learned is you can’t even have a conversation about that until people believe and know—not just believe, but it’s proven to them—that future illegal immigration will be controlled. That is the single biggest lesson of the last two years.”
Translation-Any excuse to obstruct Obama will do, and deny him credit for anything will do. Stall and obstruct is repubs MO.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And the people suffer.
The people have suffered plenty with 61/2 years of the emperor's reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
All we can do is hope Donald Trump becomes President and pulls us out of the terrible slump we're in, builds that impenetrable wall between us and Mexico, and gets Planned Parenthood back in operation!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom there is no way we would tolerate this shambolic form of government. I live in a place where parliamentary deadlock is common however the parties find a way to either negotiate the pass of legislation or abandon an unteniable position. We do have mechanisms for overcoming blockages and the party that controls the house controls the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As far as illegals are concerned we have the position that if you are not supposed to be here you will be placed in detention and deported. This is not to say we don't have illegals, there are overstayers but you cannot just walk across the border or rock up and expect to be given entry. I sympatise with a nation with borders as long as yours with hordes standing on the other side, but we have stemmed the tide, even though we know these people now go somewhere else. In your case they have nowhere else to go
Tom you say your people have suffered under the emperor, I wonder how much you will suffer under Trump whose only skill is to say "you're fired!"
My life Matter; My families Life Matter; My friends life matter; All my loved ones life Matter; My co-worker life matter; All of the above.. anyone I care their life matter to me. They have mixed color and skin, some could be related to KKK( their Grand parents may be, who knows? They are White); some are Arab and Middle Eastern.. Jews.. Olive Skin.. some Dark.. Skin African, Indian Vegetarian.. Asian with Slant eyes and White Skin..
WHATEVER; to me it the ALL LIFE MATTER. ALL AMERICAN LIFE MATTER.
DO NOT CARE FOR PEOPLE WHO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM;BECAUSE THEY ARE MINORITY/BLACK. IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON.
No one suggests your life doesn't matter, it is Tom who suggests that his form of government should look after the haves and ignore the have nots. There was a time when the republicans championed the anti-slavery cause, it would seem they would reimpose it. I think that position was expedient, what they really wanted to do was destroy the democtrat power base
you can't possibly believe that ;although I agree that he is the 2nd biggest statist/socialist in the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Don't presume for a second I support that AHQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
complete lie and distortion of the positions I take .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I thought Trump was the epitome of a capitalist. Now he's a communist? Or do you imply there is a similarity between capitalists and communists?
OMG!! :O... Tom is a COMMUNIST!!
<Didn't see that coming, we should have a coming out the closet party! ;D>
Trump favors single payer heath care . Trump favors a punitive wealth tax. Trump is in favor of planned parenthood. Trump is in favor of the 'assault rifle ' ban. He in no conservative .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You mean to say you have actually found an american with common sense who wants to lead? And what do you think; the guy must be a communist. So you have gone from left wing imperialist to right wing communist, what a land of contradictionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I wouldn't mind a conservative president Tom, except the current crop are idiot clowns.
You wouldn't mind a conservative President ? I guess you wouldn't if they held statist progressive policy positionsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
It might be useful for you to elect a president who has the confidence of the House. I observe Trumpkin wants a test applied to immigrants as to whether they are good or bad people, I would have thought breaking the law automatically placed you in the bad box, but apparently not. The test is to be a little more subjective like whether you have the money for an extortinate visa fee
I would settle for thoughtful but that's rare for repubs, let alone conservatives these days. They are all screaming Yo-Yo's and that includes the Trumpster, who just came out yesterday and said he would deport all the undocumented aliens.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Here's the flip flopper from ONE MONTH AGO
(around the 5 minute mark) .
When CNN's Dana Bash asked Trump whether he favored a path to citizenship for illegals he says “Right now, no,” ... “we'll see, later, down the line, who knows what's going to happen.”
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...ash-interview- the-lead.cnn
That's quite a shift in a month to "We're going to keep the families together, but they [those in the country illegally] have to go,"
His position paper without that is reasonable .
Nationwide E-Verify, visa-tracking for foreign visitors, cutting off aid to sanctuary cities, making overstay of a visa a criminal offense, tightening up on H-1B visas to prevent their being used to import cheap labor, ending birthright citizenship, etc .
Trump pretty much echos mainstream Republican views as have been articulated by a number of the candidates . Some have spoken at great length on the Senate floor with them. The biggest difference I see is that many of the Chamber of Commerce type Repubs have called for more H1B-s (although they have been pretty silent since the abuses by companies like Disney were exposed ) .
This proposal to gather them up and deport them ,although good red meat for the masses ,sound undoable to me . For one thing ,he doesn't have the law on his side regarding anchor children ,so he will be spending a lot of time battling it out in court . Since the emperor uses executive fiat ,perhaps he thinks a Republican POTUS should have that unconstitutional power to make law also .
Here in NY the Guardian Angels are again patrolling Central Park because the commie Bill deBlasio has let crime again get out of control. The Guardian Angels do not arm themselves but are schooled in the art of self defense.
Guardian Angels return to New York's Central Park - Telegraph
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