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  • Apr 20, 2014, 06:20 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    I think the difference is in the word, "pac"

    That's my point. In these days of illiterate smartphone users, homonyms are dangerous. (He used 'homonym,' somebody call GLAAD!)
  • Apr 20, 2014, 07:57 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    That's my point. In these days of illiterate smartphone users, homonyms are dangerous. (He used 'homonym,' somebody call GLAAD!)

    lol and don't use oxymoron
  • Apr 20, 2014, 04:33 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    How much of your money
    as much as I choose. That's why I support the Citizen's United and the McCutcheon v FEC decisions.


    And that's why you are doomed to remain an oligarchy.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 04:41 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    And that's why you are doomed to remain an oligarchy.

    not if I get my way with term limits.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 04:53 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    not if I get my way with term limits.
    (a) you won't
    (b) it in no way affects the inequity in financial leverage for laws and policy between an individual and corporations/special interest groups
  • Apr 21, 2014, 05:12 AM
    tomder55
    you mean like Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmental extremist who has pledged to give $100 million to Democratic candidates who do his bidding ,and has been instrumental in the blocking of the Keystone pipeline? I don't care about inequity . That exists and always will . What you libs fail to appreciate is that only limits to the size and power of the government will acheive your desired result.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 05:28 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you mean like Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmental extremist who has pledged to give $100 million to Democratic candidates who do his bidding ,and has been instrumental in the blocking of the Keystone pipeline? I don't care about inequity . That exists and always will . What you libs fail to appreciate is that only limits to the size and power of the government will acheive your desired result.


    Come on Tom, you know the system cuts both ways here. There are examples on both sides of politics where this type of thing will become rife. The means the McCutcheon decision means you can donate unlimited amounts to political parties and you can also give a stated maximum contribution to any and every candidate. No one can stop you contributing to every representative on both sides of politics. Good idea eh, that way you can lessen any disparity between parties.

    As NK points out limited terms won't solve anything. All that will be required is more money.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 06:17 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Come on Tom, you know the system cuts both ways here. There are examples on both sides of politics where this type of thing will become rife. The means the McCutcheon decision means you can donate unlimited amounts to political parties and you can also give a stated maximum contribution to any and every candidate. No one can stop you contributing to every representative on both sides of politics. Good idea eh, that way you can lessen any disparity between parties.

    As NK points out limited terms won't solve anything. All that will be required is more money.

    Quote:

    No one can stop you contributing to every representative on both sides of politics. Good idea eh,
    yes as a matter of fact it is a good idea. If the libs don't like it ;repeal the 1st Amendment.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 06:38 AM
    talaniman
    We are already slaves of the rich guys whims so why should our politicians be any different? Term limits won't change that, just make it worse. You think more first time candidates won't need the money to run for office?

    The more blood in the water, the more sharks you get. The weaker the central government to govern the nation, the more powerful the oligarchs are. The real solution is voter participation, and some intelligent voters.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 06:47 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yes as a matter of fact it is a good idea. If the libs don't like it ;repeal the 1st Amendment.

    That's the spirit Tom. Instead of having one political party in your back pocket you can now have two.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 06:50 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    We are already slaves of the rich guys whims so why should our politicians be any different? Term limits won't change that, just make it worse. You think more first time candidates won't need the money to run for office?

    The more blood in the water, the more sharks you get. The weaker the central government to govern the nation, the more powerful the oligarchs are. The real solution is voter participation, and some intelligent voters.

    The central government is far, FAR too strong now... and that's why we have the problems we have, its one step away from becoming a dictatorship now. The constitution was set up to prevent precisely that, because that was one of the problems that lead us to form this nation.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 06:52 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    We are already slaves of the rich guys whims so why should our politicians be any different? Term limits won't change that, just make it worse. You think more first time candidates won't need the money to run for office?

    Yes that's correct Tom's solution won't work. As you point out it will make first timers even more susceptible to doing political favours.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 07:27 AM
    tomder55
    Tal you are wrong . The biggest obstacles to 1st time candidates is the incumbency advantage. Every one of the incumbents get to use tax payer money to send out thousands upon thousands of what is essentially campaign fliers under the guise of constituency services. Every one of them add pork at tax payer expence to court constituencies . Why aren't you concerned about that "inequity " ?
  • Apr 21, 2014, 07:33 AM
    talaniman
    The powerful grabbing more power, and passing the responsibility onto ordinary peoples backs. The numbers don't lie. The rich have prospered greatly, the rest, not so much. Close the country down for one day of voting with an biometric Social Security Card, with a picture on it* and let the people have their voice as laid out in the Constitution.

    *Optional.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 07:38 AM
    tomder55
    besides ;the corporations would still be influencing government policy if they couldn't spend a dime on a candidate's election. All your bleating doesn't do a thing to prevent earmarking .Corporations, unions, and special interests already use government in this way. What you need to do is reign in elected officials . But you won't find bills restricting that get any attention except from the tea party members. The special interests love them old time lifers because they are the ones that head committees that push through legislation.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 09:40 AM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The powerful grabbing more power, and passing the responsibility onto ordinary peoples backs. The numbers don't lie. The rich have prospered greatly, the rest, not so much. Close the country down for one day of voting with an biometric Social Security Card, with a picture on it* and let the people have their voice as laid out in the Constitution.

    *Optional.


    Biometric card? No thanks. Do you really want this corrupt government to have your DNA on file?
  • Apr 21, 2014, 09:49 AM
    talaniman
    Money corrupts, eliminate the money, you eliminate the corruption. At least some of it. If money is the root of all evil, why do we patronize it?
  • Apr 21, 2014, 09:51 AM
    smoothy
    Most of corruption has nothing to do with money... but about the devient NEED and desire to control and push around others... Harry Reid and Nacy Pelosi are the standard bearers for that crowd.

    THey will just parlay that power and influence while in office into cash when they get out of it as thousands have done over the decades.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 10:06 AM
    talaniman
    Both parties have done that and if you hang Harry, and Nancy, you have to get them all. Party affiliation is but a distraction to divide and hide money, and its many forms of power through costs and control. POWER=MONEY.

    Your notion of they are bad, but you are good, while doing the same thing, is erroneous, and illogical, and self serving. Do better you flawed human.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Both parties have done that and if you hang Harry, and Nancy, you have to get them all.

    Did you just agree with mandated term limits here?
  • Apr 21, 2014, 11:04 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Money corrupts, eliminate the money, you eliminate the corruption. At least some of it. If money is the root of all evil, why do we patronize it?

    how many cliches can you fit in one paragraph? Money is not the root of all evil . The proper quote is “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” 1 Tim 6:10
    Money is neutral ,neither evil or good. It is an instrument ,and if there is evil done with it ,it is the user that is the problem.

    Money doesn't corrupt .. power does.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 11:17 AM
    talaniman
    Not at this time when new candidates can be cherry picked and influenced by powerful self interests that may not represent the citizens. Plus the learning curve of process, policy, and procedures makes compromise and consensus prohibitive.

    In a perfect world experience is an asset that can serve the people, not just govern them. The world isn't perfect I know, but you have to keep striving to get better and not just be told what's good for you or where your interest lies. It's the lack of dialog that breeds conflict and contention, and the vacuum that's created by division lends itself to stagnation and exploitation.

    Extremism grows on both sides and drowns out the consensus the people want. It's the lack of government that gives rise to the despotism we are faced with. There is no asset in letting a newbie develop policy and procedure so to hell with term limits, let make sure we have some experience in the mix. Stop the money and let the incumbents run on the record of their accomplishments.

    The internet is free stop the mailing and save a tree.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 11:21 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    how many cliches can you fit in one paragraph? Money is not the root of all evil . The proper quote is “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” 1 Tim 6:10
    Money is neutral ,neither evil or good. It is an instrument ,and if there is evil done with it ,it is the user that is the problem.

    Money doesn't corrupt .. power does.

    POWER=MONEY. Do the math.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 11:30 AM
    tomder55
    ? there is nothing more powerful in this country and perhaps the world than the US Government .
  • Apr 21, 2014, 12:05 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Both parties have done that and if you hang Harry, and Nancy, you have to get them all.

    We have a couple on our side that could stand to go to the old folks home as well. HARRY and NANCY are just the two worst offenders. Not the only two.
  • Apr 21, 2014, 03:25 PM
    tomder55
    didn't say experience doesn't count . I'm not proposing one and done. But they grow moss quickly on Capitol Hill . If it's good enough for the Presidency ,it should be good enough for the other law makers.
  • Apr 22, 2014, 04:43 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We have a couple on our side that could stand to go to the old folks home as well. HARRY and NANCY are just the two worst offenders. Not the only two.

    so you don't respect experience
  • Apr 22, 2014, 05:04 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so you don't respect experience

    Experience is one thing... but when it morphs into senility and arrogance... then no I don't.
  • Apr 22, 2014, 02:36 PM
    paraclete
    so term limits and a review of age criteria then
  • Apr 22, 2014, 04:14 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so term limits and a review of age criteria then

    Many have discussed a figure of 12 years as a term limit. The reasoning goes something like: that's long enough to get your personal agenda acted on but not long enough to become 'entrenched' in the D.C. culture.
  • Apr 22, 2014, 05:01 PM
    paraclete
    yes for a representative you would have faced the electorate an sufficient number of times and for a Senator you would have approached the point at which arrogance cuts in but there should be age limits say 70 or 75 you want someone sharp in these positions I've noticed some of our top politicians step out at about 10 years while others appear to be cemented in place
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:16 AM
    smoothy
    More proof the Obama government is planning to violate everyone's second amendment rights...

    Department of Energy wants bulk explosives for nuclear weapons transport |

    The Government buying explosives is not new. But when they do something new – that's why we should pay attention.
    In a new solicitation posted 22 April 2014, the Department of Energy's (DOE) National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) Contracts and Procurement Division (CPD) is searching for a source capable of providing Integral Firing Devices and Breacher Strip Assemblies that meet specific characteristics in support of the NNSA's Office of Secure Transportation (OST). The mission of OST is the safe and secure transportation of nuclear weapons, special nuclear materials, selected non-nuclear weapons components, limited-life components, and various other materials.

    continued next post.........
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:16 AM
    smoothy
    Why use explosives for breaching?

    Breaching using explosives is primarily an operation performed by highly trained experts, such as combat engineers. Breaching can be performed with a specially formed breaching charge placed in contact with the door, or with various standoff breaching devices, such as specialized rifle grenades like the SIMON breach grenade. Explosive breaching charges can range from highly focused methods, such as detcord, plastic explosives, or strip shaped charges that explosively cut through doors or latches, to large satchel charges, containing 20 pounds (9 kg) of C-4, that can breach even reinforced concrete bunkers. – Source
    In this era of belt-tightening by tax payers, this solicitation is specious for many reasons.

    1. The Department of Energy has never solicited for Integral Firing Devices and Breacher Strip Assemblies in the past 10 years
    2. As the image above shows, they are requesting 9,000 units. If used once a day, this amount would last the DOE over 24 years
    3. Breaching strips are used for BREAKING into a secure building or room. If the DOE is only moving nuclear weapons/materials, they should already have the keys. No?

    The DOE was very specific on the breaching materials.

    • Shall contain (Primasheet 1000) with detection agent (TAGGANT).
    • Shall comply with the ANTITERRORISM AND EFFECTIVE DEATH PENALTY ACT of 1996.
    • Shall be 100% lead free.
    • Strips shall be sealed in weatherproof wrap.
    • Size: ¾ inch width by 86 inch length by 0.0836 (C2)
    • Shall contain ¼ of a MK140 Booster rolled and secured with Primasheet 1000.
    • Shall use a 12 inch 54-grain Detonation Cord and Slip-on Booster (EBCO).
    • Charge shall not exceed Net Explosive Weight (NEW) of 0.3382 lbs.
    • Each Charge shall be individually wrapped in a vacuum-sealed bag and placed into a fiberboard case.
    • Must be pre-packaged in an integrated package strip.

    The material being requested, Primasheet, was ordered by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in August of 2012, whereupon DHS “hid” the solicitation. Primasheet is also used in the railroad industry and for general demolition.
    This solicitation is senseless.
    We are broke as a country, nuclear weapons or material should not be anywhere near demolition explosives, and 9,000 units of anything is an excessive amount for training. This is more about breaching into the homes or storage units of honest citizens than it is about moving nuclear material.
    And like always, Congress will be silent while the Executive Branch stocks up supplies against the citizens that pay for the weapons.
    Contributed by James Smith of Prepper Podcast Radio Network.
    James is a father of four and grandfather to four cute little bugs. He and his wife Beautiful Gorgeous, of almost 30 years, have been prepping since 2003. They live in a small town, with neighbors as close as 10 feet away and have raised chickens for 3 years covertly on less than 1/5 of an acre. When his wife discovered he had chickens (about 2 weeks after he bought them) she nearly left him! However, his charm won her over to them, although she does not interact with them.
    He is the host of The Covert Prepper Show heard on Saturday evenings. All shows can be heard and downloaded from the Prepper Podcast Radio Network.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:25 AM
    paraclete
    paranoia
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:27 AM
    smoothy
    Not parnoia , its reality... and was backed up by actual documented requests gotten under the freedom of information act.

    I only copied the test part of the article the original has photos of those items.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:57 AM
    talaniman
    Nothing paranoid about preppers is there.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 05:58 AM
    smoothy
    Not when you got Tyranical maniacs like Obama bent on destroying the country... and the productive class there isn't.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 06:33 AM
    talaniman
    Prepping for another civil war by those that deny results of the last one is paranoid. If minorities engaged in the same words, thoughts, and actions, you would be outraged. That kind of paranoid makes one a closed mind isolationist, separated from rational and the real.

    Defending their lunacy doesn't help.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 06:39 AM
    smoothy
    When you have the assults on the American Public by DHS, Ewic Holder, Obama.. ETC... ETC... ETC...

    WHy are they buying up so much ammunition its causing prices to double and triple in the market, then you have that last one where they are being dishonest about why they are requesting those explosives... then Obamacare where half the people will be gettign almost free health case that the productive halve will be forced to pay for.. along with their own.

    There is every legitimate reason in the world to be prepping.

    The real lunacy is what today's Democrat party has become... John F Kennedy would be called a radical conservative if he suddenly arose from his grave today.
  • Apr 25, 2014, 06:51 AM
    talaniman
    If the loony fringe is stockpiling guns and weapons like the terrorists are shouldn't the government do the same? The NRA loves the business the gun industry gets. Lawful reasonable people have no fear of their doors getting kicked in, and I am sure you want the government to be able to kick a door in of a terrorist plotting to kill people don't you?

    Its not like we can depend on the militia types to protect us from lone wolf terrorists and violent subversives because they are to busy locked away in their own bunkers waiting to be breached by the government. Useless and dangerous and well armed.

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