We have made some progress Clete since the days only white guys who owned land could vote.
We have a long way to go.
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We have made some progress Clete since the days only white guys who owned land could vote.
We have a long way to go.
Tal, you would think so, but that mentality remains. I get the distinct idea that only white guys who own land are entitled to any consideration and everyone else either doesn't exist or is to be exploited.
I'm wondering if you still have overseers with whips to keep the peons moving
Yeah but they replaced the whips and chains with money. Just as painful, but leaves no physical marks. Has nothing to do with race anymore, its all about class defined by one class, as in the 1%.
1% is that the bikers or the creators. A funny thing just occurred to me, the founders and the creators appear to have interchangeable ideas
It's become a pattern . On July 2 ,right before a long Holiday break ,the emperor announced his decision to delay the employer mandate for a year .
Yesterday ,before a 4 day Thanksgiving weekend , the adm announced that they will delay for a year ,the small business Obamacare on line enrollment web site . So now all the small businesses will have to deal directly with an insurance company .This is the 2nd delay . It was due to go on line next week.
And of course the delay extends beyond the 2014 mid terms . What a surprise !
Expect a lot of last minute shopping and cancellation notices since HHS has already estimated that 49 to 80 percent of small employer (under 100 workers) plans, which cover 43 million people, would lose their grandfathered status. This is unless the emperor again unilaterally orders the temporary suspension of the requirements .
Tom you are never happy, you wanted it to be delayed, when it is you complain it is an abuse of power.
I want to see it repealed .
You can't have everything you want, the other half want it to stay, you know the easy way out is to remove the health insurance alltogether, then you can all save to meet your medical expenses, it works for your college expense, it should work for your health expenses
We already have that. it is called a health savings account.
Health savings account - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If it works why wasn't it the solution
It doesnt work for everyone because of the contribution you have to make. But it was a choice to you didnt have high expenses when you did get sick or required an operation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/us...aid-rolls.htmlQuote:
Medicaid for years has struggled with a shortage of doctors willing to accept its low reimbursement rates and red tape, forcing many patients to wait for care, particularly from specialists like Dr. Mazer.
Yet in just five weeks, millions of additional Americans will be covered by the program, many of them older people with an array of health problems. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that nine million people will gain coverage through Medicaid next year alone. In many of the 26 states expanding the program, the newly eligible have been flocking to sign up.
Community clinics, which typically provide primary but not specialty care, have expanded and hired more medical staff members to meet the anticipated wave of new patients. And managed-care companies are recruiting doctors, nurse practitioners and other professionals into their networks, sometimes offering higher pay if they improve care while keeping costs down. But it is far from clear that the demand can be met, experts say.
In California, with the nation's largest Medicaid population, many doctors say they are already overwhelmed and are unable to take on more low-income patients.
so train more doctors or inport them from India and Pakistan tell you what, we'll let you have some you gave us, one is J Patel, he's headed your way
won't work . The problem is not a lack of doctors . The problem is that doctors don't choose to be slaves of the state .
What about the millions of other civil servants? Are they all idiot slaves to the state?Quote:
doctors don't choose to be slaves of the state
You realize that you are the only industrialized nation that doesn't have universal healthcare, right? So they are all wrong and you are the only one who is right?
Doctors are still free to work as free people in this country and to accept and reject patients if the government is going to screw the doctors of their just compensation .
Hello again, tom:
Medical school IS expensive... But, they shouldn't make it all back in two weeks.Quote:
screw the doctors of their just compensation .
excon
would you do a job if your compensation is less than your overhead or what you consider a reasonable return for your service ? You must know that being a doctor often means more than practicing medicine. You have to be a business manager and employer ,with all that entails .
Hello again,tom:
Obamacare did NOTHING to control rising prices. Personally, I wouldn't buy a policy that didn't pay the doctors bills. Who would? Therefore, doctors will CONTINUE to make jillions and a few jillion more. So will big pharma and so will medical manufacturers.Quote:
would you do a job if your compensation is less than your overhead or what you consider a reasonable return for your service ?
Oh, that's right. You think Obama is running ALL of it. Bwa, ha ha ha.
excon
I thought Obamacare was all about bending the cost curve. He meant downward, but good to see you confirming the liar-in-chief's lies.
Try to keep up . I'm talking about doctors who refuse to take on more Medicaid patients ,the shortage of doctors who will accept new Medicaid patients ,and how expanding the numbers of Medicaid eligible will make that situation worse. You say you wouldn't buy a policy that did not pay doctors bills and I tell you that Medicaid frequently shorts the doctors who treat Medicaid patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Couple things.Quote:
Try to keep up . I'm talking about doctors who refuse to take on more Medicaid patients ,
Your wealthy doctor can move his practice to Beverly Hills. They don't have many Medicaid patients there. But, when the cost curve is bending DOWNWARD (that's for you, Steve), he either accepts what the market is paying, or he goes broke.
You make it sound like there isn't going to be MILLIONS of doctors treating WELL insured people, and making LOTS of bread. Oh, that's right. You think Obamacare has TAKEN OVER healthcare..
Bwa, ha ha ha.
excon
So you and doctors are mad because the government doesn't pay enough, fast enough, Tom, and Speech is mad because they charge him too much.
Lets start with you can't afford a doctor without insurance, and you can't afford insurance without a job. A decent job that makes you self sufficient.
Rising costs and fewer decent jobs are but a symptom of a greater problem. I have always said for years that a lack of money circulated on a broader scale is the root cause of our economic failures. I mean when they turned off the trickle and jacked up the prices what did you think would happen? NO MO Money.
No doubt the emperor's solution will be a executive order or some Federal or blue state legislative and bureaucratic fix like forcing doctors to accept Medicaid patients or lose their license . It's a progressive dream come true ......create a shortage, then regulate it.
Wow Tom, that was your best conspiracy theory yet. Or is that a scandal? Or are you just throwing rocks again this fine morning? Or just hollering about the sky is falling? I just can't tell with you guys any more.
then you tell me how you plan on getting around the fact that doctors have been dropping Medicaid eligible patients for a long time now ;and now Obamacare is making Medicaid eligible to millions more people ? It don't add up .And don't tell me your side aint above such a tactic. They already force state licensed pharmacists to sell abortion pills against their will.
So less doctors for the poor people is a reason NOT to give them a chance to find a doctor? If your religion stops you from serving customers, then why do the pharmacies hire them? Why do they carry products that can't be served to customers?
Maybe we should change the law for licensing pharmacist. If you can't sell the products a company sells to customers, you shouldn't work there. I think that's what you tell to people who don't like what the benefits a boss offers, go somewhere else.
Obviously Tal believes the only right that's sacred is the right to abortion. Meanwhile the NY Times recognizes the problem with expanding the Medicaid roles.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/us...lls.html?_r=1&
Tomorrow the fix is in . Question..... will the number of newly insured relative to the number of previously insured losing coverage could be ...ahem .... "disproportionate" ?
http://www.capalphadc.com/wp-content...e-11-29-13.pdf
all I see is someone saying there is no contingency plan except maybe extending existing coverage
The Supreme Court says woman have the right to an abortion, not me. Roe v Wade.
So Tal do you think women should have rights to abortion, the one question that those who want abortions should be asked, should you have been aborted?
Should a man tell a woman what to do with her body? Only if she ASKS for his opinion. The law is the law. Get enough votes, it can be changed, modified, or repealed.
So you do agree you shouldn't be forcing your choices on us.
That's the way it's done here, don't like it... go to China. Show me where you have a right to be above the law, no matter how many guns you buy.Quote:
The law is the law. Get enough votes, it can be changed, modified, or repealed.
Its amazing how you hate Obama Care, but love not having to worry about being kicked off your insurance policy, or for family people everybody is covered to age 26. You love not having lifetime caps on coverage when you or your family need it the most, when you are sick.
You would give that up for you and your kids? And show me a TParty person who hates Social Security, and Medicare? (socialist programs) Tell your mom to take a voucher instead of have Medicare, and get her own insurance and supplements on the private markets.
She will kick your tail, and ground you for life.
Interesting how any time we mention you forcing your choices on us you pivot another direction replete with red herrings. And please, stop grandstanding about the law. This regime has set the example that the law is whatever he deems it to be at the moment. In fact, reality is whatever the emperor deems it to be, Obama spoke it and thus it was so. He's preparing to declare the website goal had been met, just because.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...7cc_story.html
Obama isn'tthe government,congress can act,but they haven't,and being outvoted is NOT forcing anything down your throat.
Trust me, if dems can survive the republican presidents, you repubs can survive dem presidents. Contrary to your fear, America will thrive and survive too.
Obviously your respect for the law depends on the circumstances, too
Hello again, Steve:
Not me. I have NO respect for the law, across the board, PERIOD!!Quote:
Obviously your respect for the law depends on the circumstances, too
Fool me once, it's on you. Fool me twice, it's on whatever Bush said it was. But, he was RIGHT. Once you start locking people up and throwing away the key for NOTHING, you lost me. Until you FIX it, I'll STAY lost.
excon
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