Mimi has the seen the light, i.e. the need to cover for the emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nancy Pelosi the hawk tells President Obama to act on Syria
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Mimi has the seen the light, i.e. the need to cover for the emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nancy Pelosi the hawk tells President Obama to act on Syria
So that satisifies his constitutional responsibility ? A conference call with the 2 leaders ? That's a “robust” consultation ? Did Bonehead cry ?
If he wants congressional approval ,why doesn't he call Congress back from vacation ?
Hello again, tom:
Why don't they COME back from vacation on their own? Do they NEED an invitation to DO their job?Quote:
why doesn't he call Congress back from vacation ?
Excon
Ummm he's the one that wants to drop the bombs
They will be back soon enough, since many of them have no clue about modern technology. Hell if some have no clue about the female body, what makes you think they know about Cisco apps?
Walk and chew bubble gum to the uninformed. Repubs are going to vote NO anyway, doesn't matter what they vote on, where, or the debates they have.
Funny how OweBama was calling the security briefings about Iraq total BS and lies... and yet completely blieves these ones in fact assumes stuff they NEVER calim to be true from the very same agencies... who never claim its 100% certain who did it.
Everyone all together now... Obama Lied... People died...
Hello again, tom:
And, they're the ones who want to STOP him. You can't DO that from St. Louis.Quote:
ummm he's the one that wants to drop the bombs
Excon
What are they going to do, wave the constitution at him? The law means nothing to the imperial president.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Well, as we've discussed ad nausium, Obama hasn't YET violated the Constitution, or you'da IMPEACHED him sure as I'm sitting here...
AND, if you can prove he's violating the War Powers Act, then you can impeach him now. Like I've said all along, if he's a CROOK, then I want him in jail.
Congress HAS power. They can DO a LOT more than wave the Constitution at Obama. But, poor old Daryl Issa, as we've discussed, doesn't know HOW to wield the power he has. So, instead of being on HIS case, you're fine with a Republican controlled House who lays down for the president, and you don't know what to do, alas and alack..
excon
Just heard Kerry.. they have no intention of waiting for Congressional approval. Why doesn't Reid call the Senate back ?
Hello again, tom:
I just heard Kerry too. F**CK those Syrians!
excon
I am absolutely positive the impeachment of the first black president.would go over well.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yes ,of course why shouldn't we believe the intel was doctored ? That's what the Dems told us in 2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And so the hollering... er... debate begins!! My bet is repubs will find a place to hide for a while... er... I mean SQUEAL!!
We all know they squeal for a long time. And very LOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUD!!
Elenore Holmes Norton... and there is no one more pro-obama than her... or liberal... is demanding Obama go to congress for a vote first...
I was shocked she actually said something I agreed with.
Hollering and squealing? I recall lots of it prior to Obama getting elected president, but I haven't noticed much hollering and squealing on this. The usual squealers are conspicuously absent, but we addressed that - it's the economy they say. Magic markers are expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But let me ask, how should we respond to the "ad-libbed" war? Hey, at least Bush was calculated, organized, got congressional approval and built a large coalition. The emperor is going it alone.
(Does any of this irony sink in?)
P.S. NBC poll: Nearly 80 percent want congressional approval on Syria
Are you calling the majority of Americans 'squealers'?
Yes Just heard Kerry, they have absolute certainty about the facts right down to the last dead body. So there is evidence that any kangaroo court would accept, the testimony of a US secretary of state. Now I remember another US secretary of state assuring us of irrefutable facts. De jevu,. anyone
Canada is not going guys... no one in the vicinity of this crazy person wants anyone's involvement
NBC poll: Nearly 80 percent want congressional approval on Syria - First Read
Quote:
Fifty percent of Americans believe the United States should not intervene in the wake of suspected chemical weapons attacks by Syrian President Bashar Assad, according to the poll. But the public is more supportive of military action when it's limited to launching cruise missiles from U.S. naval ships - 50 percent favor that kind of intervention, while 44 percent oppose it.
What a pity Syria doesn't have a long coastline, sort of makes the choice of landing zones a little limited, no landings to the strains of the "shores of Tripoli" so cruise is the weapon of choice, wouldn't it be a pity if one just happened to hit an Al Qaeda or Hezbollah staging camp
Gun boat diplomacy can be effective .But usually it does require boots on the ground to follow up. The "shores of Tripoli " was an example where the navy cannon and Marines worked in coordination.
Here is the document that the US declassified as proof that it was the Syrians that launched a cw attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ment.html?_r=0
High confidence leading to confirmation.
Back to gun boat diplomacy... The emperor and Sec State have both indicated a limited salvo not designed to decapitate. If that is so then the best gain achieved is a degradation of Assad's air assets... the assets that helped him gain the advantage in the civil war. The net result will be a stalemate which would almost guarantee a continuation of the carnage for years to come.
By the way... when the French did not back efforts to invade Iraq ,French fries were renamed 'Freedom Fries'. Now that the Brits have backed out of Syria ,will English Muffins be renamed "freedom muffins" ?
Box cars full of WMD again! Is it crediable, only because we want it to be. Were chemical weapons used? Probably. Was it an accident? A plan twarted which went wrong or an actual attack? What is to be gained by attacking civilians since the rebels don't report large scale casualities? And no military advantage has ensued.
A surgical strike so you take out an airfield, big deal, perhaps you take out a chemical plant, then if you want to do it properly ask the Israeli's. The only crediable surgical strike is decapitation otherwise why do it? BO isn't going to do anything before he goes to Russia otherwise he looses the opportunty to persuade Vladimir to come over to his side
Maybe they can dust off that 'reset ' button.
Perhaps they should dust off the red telephone
I have to applaud the emperor's decision yesterday to hold off any military response in Syria until Congress has it's input. That is the correct and constitutional course to take .
The White House walk-and-talk that changed Obama's mind on Syria - First Read
Unstated in the article above is that it also gives him cover if he decides to back down from his red line bluster . He will be able to pontificate that he had every intention to "punish" Assad ,but that 'do nothing Congress ' prevented him . He can bemoan the restrictions placed on an imperial President in our system ;but alas ,he must act inside the law. He still will retain the option to take swift action when circumstances of national emergency or imminent threat develop .
Meanwhile ,Foreign Policy is reporting that the Obots had information of an impending cw attack by the Assad regime 3 days BEFORE the attack took place.
U.S. Had Intel on Chemical Strike Before It Was Launched | The Cable
This is evidently confirmed in the intel assessment that the adm released Friday .
Government Assessment of the Syrian GovernmentQuote:
In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals and geospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack...
They make a compelling case for bomb away.
No they haven't . What he should say is we are waiting for solid evidence concerning cw use and not simply YouTube videos. He should also say that no US action will be taken to advance AQ and jihadistan's agenda in Syria.
He has already said this was about the use of cw's by the Assad regime. The real question is what congress wants to do about it. That's where the ball is. Anything we do against Assad will help the rebels.
Hello:
It SHOULD be said that the lingering effects of our BIG, HUGE, HUMONGOUS mistake in Iraq is effecting our decisions about Syria today... It's got something to do with crying wolf..
excon
Yep and the mistake is being made again
Hello clete:
Here's the main difference between Iraq and Syria.. We KNOW Assad has WMD's. We KNOW he used them on his own people. Although Saddam too used them against his own people, he did it a LOOOOONG time ago, and got rid of the weapons before we went in.
excon
I think we did learned from Iraq, to not march an army through the country we bombed the hell out of.
Hello again,
So, WILL congress give Obama cover to attack Syria?? I think NOT. Will Obama do it anyway? I think NOT.
Oh, yes... I know the tide BELIEVES congress will do so. Nonetheless, I STILL think NOT.
excon
Keep believing that fiction .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Apparently George W. Bush believes that fiction too..Quote:
keep believing that fiction .
Excon
I hear there's a nice new USA embassy in Iraq.
And if the emperor didn't blow the status of forces agreement then the US troops would be there to prevent Qod forces and supplies from reaching Syria through Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I believe that embassy there is a monument to the previous emperor:
Embassy of the United States, Baghdad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quote:
At 440,000 square meters, it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world and is nearly as large as Vatican City.[1] It employs 15,000 people and cost $750 million to build.
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