It already happened back in 2004 under President Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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It already happened back in 2004 under President Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Name one right wing organization that was denied its tax status. There are none! This is about secret money funneled to candidates not yet another right wing holler victim red meat fest.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
While you are at it, Google the republicans calling for an investigation of white house leaks after the failed bombing of an American plane by Al-Qaida in Yemen last year. Just a heads up.be careful what you ask for.
There is no such thing as isolated incidence when it comes to you guys going back to Hoover. Scandals and conspiracy instead of jobs?
Really... got evidence of that... because there certainly wasn't any stink raised at the time... because they were busy fabricating things at CBS to blame on Bush that never happened since they had nothing else to whine about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We all Remember FileGate.. where Hillary was in contempt of court for 9 months for refusing to hand over files compiled illegally on republicans.
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Re NAACP audit :
No one denied the NAACP tax ID number, nor did they ask probing questions of the NAACP about family members and political positions. You have zero proof that the audit was not legitimate .
And for the Pasadena church... I couldn't care less if they all lost their tax exempt status. I know the left wants the mega churches and the Pat Robertson's of the world to lose their status even as they applaud the long held tradition of the Black church in this country to preach politics from the pulpit.
I find nothing wrong with politics from the pulpit ,except for the tax exempt status which makes the church a defacto "state religion " by the arrangement . Further ,it compromises the independence of the church by accepting the tax breaks.
Very commendable Tom, reality is the Church should stay out of politics just as politics should stay out of the Church. I don't know how that works in reality because both are about human interaction and relationship, but by all means revoke the not for profit exemptions, the additional revenue might bail out the government and the debt but no state religion is good since there was a state religion of sorts in America before the revolution
You have said that before Tom, and while I applaud your consistency on the matter of church exemptions I think the TParty was not harmed by this extra scrutiny for the same reasons you give about the NAACP was not harmed. They got there tax ID number. Seems the practice was stopped and the wording changed in the SOP.
The president seems to agree with YOU though,
Obama: IRS actions are 'intolerable and inexcusable' – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Imagine that. I still think this tax designation for political groups is no more than political money laundering. Right, or left. Its also pure hypocrisy that the TParty evades scrutiny because they are the Tparty, and still have stop and frisk for black people and papers please for brown people.
Not harmed ? Many of them had their tax status delayed for months during the election cycle ;diminishing their influence in the political process . Many just quit trying .You who make a big deal about the importance of the election process are saying they weren't harmed ? I'll tell you what it was . It is a real time proven suppression of their rights... 1st amendment ,and 14th amendment equal protection clause.
With a flat tax no exemptions this would not be an issue.Quote:
I still think this tax designation for political groups is no more than political money laundering. Right, or left
You don't need a flat tax to eliminate this kind of loophole or money laundering operation. And The Tparty can wait for the process just like anyone else.
I'm taking bets that this like everything else under President Zero... becomes a superficial investigation... where they claim they found nothing or at most throw some low level underling under the bus to protect the higher ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Not harmed? Franklin Graham believes his organization was targeted, they had to spend donor money that could have gone to hungry children dealing with the IRS. This goes beyond "oh what did it hurt?" This is a complete betrayal of trust. And this is the same agency tasked with enforcing Zerocare.
I would win my bet that this scandal stuff and impeachment rhetoric was to get your base riled up as an excuse to do nothing in the congress. That's sad we have to wait for a jobs bill while you guys investigate old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
If you were as good at governing and legislating as you were at obstructionism we wouldn't be here as a country and the sequester would be resolved and a job bill passed and implemented.
Great points Tal
Why does YOUR guy deserve any breaks that Nixon didn't get... your guy has done far more and far worse and we've had to listen about Watergate for how many DECADES now?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nobody even got a paper cut in Watergate... 4 people DIED in BenghaziGate... Huge numbers of Conservatives had their Civil rights violated by the IRS by Democrat hacks working for Obama... and if they hadn't got caught Illegally getting phone records of AP reporters without the required Subpeonas... the leftist press would be brushing that all under the carpet too.
If YOUR guy (The Kenyan Bozo) actually had the competence to do his job, and focused on actually doing it... instead of acting like some drug dealing thug in Chicago... threatening to get even with anyone and everyone that rejects the Boy-Gods birthright to be King.this country might be in far better shape than it is now.
I can't believe this you haven't moved on from forty years ago, why should I be surprised? You haven't moved on from 240 years ago
When you hear Democrats htrowing that up constantly for the last 40 years... they can expect to get it dished back when their guy gets caught doing far, far worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
What Nixon did was NOTHING compared to what President Zero has been doing...
Yeah nothing? Spying on the opposition, candidly I don't see the difference excepting he didn't break into a building
As bad as you want that to be true, we know its not and the scandals and impeachments you speak of won't happen. Of course that won't stop you from trying since that's been the republican right wing plan from day one.
Its obvious that this I a distraction while the greedy crooks rob us blind.
It's politics Tal and it never changes, never give a sucker an even break
Tal, odd you keep complaining about how the GOP governs when they're the minority. Your leader thinks governing means a permanent camoaign and image control. How's that working out?
I start to wonder what is politics today photo ops and big speeches and no progress?
You guys are good at clogging up the process, hollering, and throwing rocks when you are in the minority. I give the devil his due.
We learned it from the Democrats when Bush was in office. But nobody is as good at playing the Victim as a Democrat is... they raise it to a science.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You guy holler and complain of a sore throat and blame others for forcing something down it.
Learn to shut up sometimes and swallow! Suck it up and carry your own weight. Stop being a doorman for the greedy rich guys robbing u blind.
You sure have a short memory. I bet when Dems vowed to do nothing but obstruct and investigate when when they won their Trojan Horse election you were cheering them on. Just giving the devil his due...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
THis is WHY it all started.
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More information has surfaced for the IRS,
IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row - Bloomberg
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The Internal Revenue Service, under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years, also had its eye on at least three Democratic-leaning organizations seeking nonprofit status.
One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected... In a statement late yesterday, the tax agency said it had pooled together the politically active nonpartisan applicants -- including a “minority” that were identified because of their names. “It is also important to understand that the group of centralized cases included organizations of all political views,” the IRS said in its statement.
To Tom as a matter of clarity.
Daily Kos: The IRS and the Continuing GOP Circus of Hypocrisy
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In 2004 the IRS investigated the tax-exempt status of the NAACP in response to demands by Republican lawmakers who questioned whether the NAACP's activities had crossed into political campaigning, which is prohibited to tax-exempt organizations. The lawmakers included Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee), Sen. Susan M. Collins (R-Maine), Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-South Carolina), Rep. Jo Ann Davis (R-Virginia), Rep. Larry Combest (R-Texas), Rep. Robert Ehrlich (R-Maryland) and Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Florida).
How hypocritical, then, for Collins to be among those “outraged” by this week's revelations of the IRS targeting Tea Party and other conservative groups for investigation of their tax-exempt status. Collins called for a more aggressive response from President Obama to personally condemn the IRS action.
What it comes down to is politicians only want the laws of the land enforced when it doesn't disadvantage them. It was ever so
So they acted on the request of some lawmakers . And the IRS found nothing improper . Do you want me to document all the times the Dem lawmakers in the late 1990s did the same thing to conservative organizations ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Back then the DNC and the Clintonoids published this smear document called 'Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce'.
washingtonpost.com: White House Memo Asserts a Scandal Theory
Aka ;the vast right wing conspiracy report.
Well based on that doc. 20 + conservative organizations;including the Heritage Foundation ,Landmark Legal Foundation ,and the American Spectator magazine... and other high profile Clintoon accusers, such as Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers, were audited.
But that was just the warm up . Landmark sued and discovered that over 100 groups were audited at the request of lawmakers and the White House. During discovery, the IRS managed to lose over 114 files requested under FOIA . Not only that , they managed to record over a tape recording that would've implicated them in a clear conspiracy case of targeting conservative .
But that isn't all!! I've already talked about how using the IRS in this manner led to one of the articles of impeachment against Nixon. What you did not hear was how JFK ,and before him Roosevelt used the IRS as a political arm of their administrations. All it took was for Kennedy to utter the words "the discordant voices of extremism" to unleash the dogs. During the same presser Kenne'dy indicated that he expected the IRS to be vigilant in policing the tax-exempt status of questionable organizations. From that the IRS launched the' Ideological Organizations Audit Project'. It targeted right-leaning groups(of course ) .
Kennedy also used the IRS to pressure Steel companies into complying with "voluntary " price controls .
But the kudos goes to the hero of the left FDR. He used the IRS to harass newspaper publishers who were opposed to the New Deal, including William Randolph Hearst .
He attacked political opponents like Huey Long and Father Coughlin with the IRS . He went after former Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon with the IRS weapon. He also squashed an investigation of a political ally when this ally accepted illegal campaign contribution from a government contractor . Sort of nipped it in the bud before it became known to his constituents . Who was this ally ? Lyndon Baines Johnson.
I'll say it again. The best remedy for this is a flat or fair tax that eliminates this government agency for all practical purposes. So long as it is around ,politicians will be tempted to use it as the capo (caporegime ) of the political regime. But instead the Obots granted them tremendous new powers as the main muscle behind Obamacare (aka Zero care ).
There's apparently nothing too scandalous for Tal.
Scandalous is hollering loud and saying nothing and solving no problems. Its even more scandalous to see a problem that's been festering and growing and not addressing it. Yet again repubs are voting to repeal ACA, and no job bill.
That's a major scandal.
PS, from here on in right wing hollering will be referred to as NOISE.
Thank you
Tal is a real Koolaide drinker...
Protect the Messiah at all costs... I don't see his brainwashed whorshippers lining up to jump under the bus for him this time.
You don't see anything beyond your NOISE and paranoia. Its an easy fix if you look at it, and willing to work toward a solution. SHHHHHHHHHHH! Be quiet for a minute. You can't learn anything while you are making such a racket.
Open your eyes Tal... not even the drive by media is giving him a free pass and covering for him any more.
Good news, the lady in charge of the office that targeted conservatives is now in charge of Zerocare at the IRS. As if having the IRS be the Zerocare enforcer wasn't scary enough. .
P.S. Even in the midst of all these abuses of power it's like this administration just can't help but flex their muscles - the "culture of intimidation" lives on...
The Woman responsible for the IRS harassment and civil rights abuse of Conservatives got a $130,000 bonus and got promoted to be in charge of Obamacare...
And people on the left claim Obama doesn't have his hands in this. And that Obamacare won't determine who gets treated and who doesn't by what their political affiliation is.
First off, Obamacare supporters are shocked, shocked I say that employers are looking at bare bones plans that only cover the mandates.
The money quote from the article...Quote:
Planning of large chunks of the economy is harder than pro-government advocates usually anticipate. People often respond to new laws or behave in ways that central planners never forsee. In this vein, over at the Cato Institute, Michael Cannon points to yet another factor that ”could make the roll-out of ObamaCare’s health insurance ‘exchanges’ even more of a train wreck.”
While, in theory, Obamacare requires that employers with 50 or more workers must offer coverage to their workers or pay a penalty, the law may only mandates the provision of what amounts to very light coverage. The Wall Street Journal explains:
Benefits advisers and insurance brokers—bucking a commonly held expectation that the law would broadly enrich benefits—are pitching these low-benefit plans around the country. They cover minimal requirements such as preventive services, but often little more. Some of the plans wouldn’t cover surgery, X-rays or prenatal care at all. Others will be paired with limited packages to cover additional services, for instance, $100 a day for a hospital visit.
Federal officials say this type of plan, in concept, would appear to qualify as acceptable minimum coverage under the law, and let most employers avoid an across-the-workforce $2,000-per-worker penalty for firms that offer nothing. Employers could still face other penalties they anticipate would be far less costly.
Words fail me.Quote:
Several expressed surprise that employers would consider the approach.
“We wouldn’t have anticipated that there’d be demand for these types of band-aid plans in 2014,” said Robert Kocher, a former White House health adviser who helped shepherd the law. “Our expectation was that employers would offer high quality insurance.” Part of the problem: lawmakers left vague the definition of employer-sponsored coverage, opening the door to unexpected interpretations, say people involved in drafting the law.
Secondly on the Zerocare front, yet another union is not happy.
But we had to pass the bill to know what was in it you dummies.Quote:
For decades, unions have negotiated high quality, affordable health insurance through nonprofit Taft-Hartley plans — one of the few reliable private providers for lower income individuals. …
But as currently interpreted, the ACA would block these plans from the law’s benefits (such as the subsidy for lower-income individuals and families) while subjecting them to the law’s penalties (like the $63 per insured person to subsidize Big Insurance). This creates unstoppable incentives for employers to reduce weekly hours for workers currently on our plans and push them onto the exchanges where many will pay higher costs for poorer insurance with a more limited network of providers. In other words, they will be forced to change their coverage and possibly their doctor. Others will be channeled into Medicaid, where taxpayers must pick up the tab. …
Let me just remind you how nice it is to live in a free countryQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What's the surprise Speech? Companies have been pushing to eliminate employee based insurance for decades, along with pensions. Do you think they have either at the sweat shops they open overseas after closing factory's here?
Most of these food workers and retail industry workless than 35 hours a week and have done so like I say for decades. But just be clear, most unions are affiliated with other unions, and have considerable leverage in the health insurance market, and as your link points out, congress can act... oops forget that part... but they can add a few tweaks, like Medicare for everyone.
You may not like the ACA, but the options for consumers is undeniable and better than the way it was already.
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