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  • Jun 25, 2013, 07:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Hmmmm... Hemp is a better biofuel crop. It produces MORE energy per acre than corn does. It doesn't compete with food. It's legal to grow it here, and the loadies THROW the stalks away, which is where the fiber (and the MONEY) is..

    Anybody wanna go into the biofuels bidness? I'll bet we can get some Obama money? And, I PROMISE, I won't smoke it up.

    excon

    No thanks, I think I'm going to open up a medical marijuana shop in Colorado.
  • Jun 25, 2013, 09:11 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Hmmmm... Hemp is a better biofuel crop. It produces MORE energy per acre than corn does. It doesn't compete with food. It's legal to grow it here, and the loadies THROW the stalks away, which is where the fiber (and the MONEY) is..

    Anybody wanna go into the biofuels bidness? I'll bet we can get some Obama money? And, I PROMISE, I won't smoke it up.

    excon

    Got no problem with that once someone can prove to me that the conversion of the plant to the fuel doesn't consume more energy than it produces.

    I'm not opposed to biofuels . When there is a legit market for them ,I'm all in . I like the Brazil solution . They have lots of sugar cane ;and it's much more efficient to convert sugar to ethanol than corn. But my favorite biofuel potential is converting algae .
  • Jun 27, 2013, 04:09 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    got no problem with that once someone can prove to me that the conversion of the plant to the fuel doesn't consume more energy than it produces.

    I'm not opposed to biofuels . When there is a legit market for them ,I'm all in . I like the Brazil solution . They have lots of sugar cane ;and it's much more efficent to convert sugar to ethanol than corn. But my favorite biofuel potential is converting algae .

    Biofuel is generally a zero sum gain. There are occasions such as begasse where a valuable resource would otherwise be wasted or in the timber industry where there is a considerable resource available in offcuts, etc but these are specialist situations which only produce a fraction of the energy requirement of the industry. Growing substances to convert to fuel will ultimately prove to be a waste of the land resource where food will be required.
  • Jun 27, 2013, 04:41 PM
    tomder55
    Agreed... I think for the most part ,they will be a niche industry . Some are better than others .I'm still interested in biofuel from algae potential . There's lots of algae available to harvest ,and it's fairly easy to farm. If you are worried about CO2 ;it is a zero sum game... Burning algae as fuel releases CO2 ;and growing algae consumes it. The claim is that algae yields between 10 and 100 times more fuel per unit area than other biofuel crops. There would be comparatively many fewer acres of space used to produce it compared to the thousands of acres used to grow corn for ethanol . And few people ,except for some health nuts ,consume algae on a regular basis.
  • Jun 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
    paraclete
    I just get to the point where I am past big agribusiness
  • Jun 27, 2013, 07:09 PM
    tomder55
    If it works, big business will be there . That's just reality .And the reality is that algae biofuel is potentially a $50 billion dollar industry . Exxon Mobil is already heavily invested .which tells me there could be a future in it .
  • Jun 27, 2013, 07:30 PM
    earl237
    Texas seems determined to make abortion next to impossible in spite of support from pro-choice groups. The country is moving forward on gay marriage, but has been moving backwards on abortion. Hard to believe the pro choice movement is losing ground in so many states 40 years after Roe vs Wade.
  • Jun 27, 2013, 08:18 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if it works, big business will be there . That's just reality .And the reality is that algae biofuel is potentially a $50 billion dollar industry . Exxon Mobil is already heavily invested .which tells me there could be a future in it .

    What you are saying is there is a future in continuing with the current level of technology rather than moving to all electric cars which would see the oil companies out of business
  • Jun 28, 2013, 05:52 AM
    tomder55
    Don't get me started about electric cars . All they do is use carbon fuels to generate electric power that gets transferred to the batteries. The only difference is that the fuel is coming from a power plant to the car instead of an processing plant to the gas station.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 05:53 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by earl237 View Post
    Texas seems determined to make abortion next to impossible in spite of support from pro-choice groups. The country is moving forward on gay marriage, but has been moving backwards on abortion. Hard to believe the pro choice movement is losing ground in so many states 40 years after Roe vs Wade.

    Some things like reducing the number of children killed in infanticide is not a "moving backward " proposition.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:03 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Some things like reducing the number of children killed in infanticide is not a "moving backward " proposition.
    But guns are good, right?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:10 AM
    tomder55
    Unrelated and irrelevant to the discussion.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:29 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    unrelated and irrelevant to the discussion.
    said by people who see an embarassing-to-them point about to be made.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:32 AM
    tomder55
    Nope said by someone who understands the right to protect life.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:42 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    nope said by someone who understands the right to protect life.

    Then exploit it when its born, till it dies. The only thing worse is a dead beat dad.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:48 AM
    tomder55
    I am neither a dead beat dad or promote what they do . So your answer for dead beat dads is to wack their kids ? Nice .
  • Jun 28, 2013, 06:53 AM
    talaniman
    You whack 'em after they are born so what's the difference?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Then exploit it when its born, till it dies. The only thing worse is a dead beat dad.

    Like using them as government shills for Obamacare or props for gun control?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:09 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You whack 'em after they are born so what's the difference?

    Not me...
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:39 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Like using them as government shills for Obamacare or props for gun control?
    That talking point has been debunked. Please try again.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:45 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah it's not "shill"
    It's "outreach" . In this case a distinction without a difference.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:46 AM
    NeedKarma
    Only if you believe your blogs instead of the actual source.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:54 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    “Teens are part of a 'pilot' program to test whether young people can be trained as messengers to deliver outreach and limited education to family and friends in and around their homes,” said Gayle Pollard-Terry, a LAUSD spokesman, in an email.
    The source confirms it.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 08:01 AM
    NeedKarma
    Kind of like religious parents to their children?

    Should both be stopped?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 08:11 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Kind of like religious parents to their children?

    Should both be stopped?

    No more than stopping you from whatever it is you teach your kids.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 08:25 AM
    NeedKarma
    I don't indoctrinate them to believe in a invisible old man who lives in the clouds.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 08:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I don't indoctrinate them to believe in a invisible old man who lives in the clouds.

    Neither do we and even if we did what's that to you? I don't interfere in raising your kids, if you want them to grow up ignorant of all the possibilities that's your business.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 09:15 AM
    talaniman
    My friends daughter taught her grand parents English, and helps them fill out forms for goods, services, and benefits, including on line bill paying. If you don't want anyone telling you how to raise your kids, then don't tell them how to raise theirs.

    Make your choices, and let them make theirs. Seems reasonable to me.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 09:39 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    My friends daughter taught her grand parents English, and helps them fill out forms for goods, services, and benefits, including on line bill paying. If you don't want anyone telling you how to raise your kids, then don't tell them how to raise theirs.

    Make your choices, and let them make theirs. Seems reasonable to me.

    If I were telling others how to raise their kids you might have a point. Otherwise, what part of using children to spread government messages is wrong do you not get? Oh that's right, our kids don't belong to us. And I'm sure you'll miss the irony in that.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 09:50 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Oh that's right, our kids don't belong to us.

    They do! Why do you keep saying that?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 09:56 AM
    tomder55
    Because that's what the lefties say
    Your Kids Don't Belong to You - Mellisa Harris-Perry - YouTube
  • Jun 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
    talaniman
    He keeps saying it because he doesn't believe it takes a village to raise kids*, but he makes an exception to his village telling you how to raise YOUR kids.

    Quote:

    * The phrase is attributed to an old African proverb. Its exact origin seems to be lost in time. In 1994 children's author Jane Cowen-Fletcher released a book, published by Scholastic Press, titled It Takes A Village in which a young African girl searches for her younger brother, only to find the rest of the village has been watching over him as well.

    In January 1996 publisher Simon & Schuster released hillary Rodham-Clinton's It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us. Reviews are mixed.

    In May 2001, publisher Harper-Collins released the seventh book in the Lemony Snicket's Unfortunate Events series titled The Vile Village, it was mentioned at the beginning of the book, "It takes a village to raise a child."
    *
    Source- Who said it takes a village to raise a child
  • Jun 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
    NeedKarma
    Who cares what a political commentator says. In the same vein that we dismiss what Fox commentators say. It ain't policy or law.

    Also how many times have you told us that one righty doesn't speak for all of you? Why are the rules different for you?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 12:24 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    He keeps saying it because he doesn't believe it takes a village to raise kids*, but he makes an exception to his village telling you how to raise YOUR kids.



    Source- Who said it takes a village to raise a child

    Excuse me? You have this habit of saying I like to tell others how to raise their kids when in fact I have consistently defended your right to raise them your way. That you want kids raised by the village tells us it would be you interfering with how the rest of us want to raise is ours.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 12:27 PM
    talaniman
    Show me where I have done as you said.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 01:34 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Show me where I have done as you said.

    In your world we're always imposing, forcing or otherwise interjecting where we shouldn't be, like here:

    "If you don't want anyone telling you how to raise your kids, then don't tell them how to raise theirs."

    The implication is clear, by objecting to public schools exploiting kids on behalf of Obamacare we are telling others how to raise their kids, according to your logic. You did the same thing over the contraception mandate, in objecting to forcing the church to pay for contraceptives you interpret that as forcing our beliefs on you.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 02:02 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Who cares what a political commentator says. In the same vein that we dismiss what Fox commentators say. It ain't policy or law.

    Also how many times have you told us that one righty doesn't speak for all of you? Why are the rules different for you?

    Well as Tal points out ;Evita wrote a whole book on the subject... and she's likely to be the standard bearer for the Dems in 2016
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:04 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Evita wrote a whole book on the subject..
    Actually it's the modus operandi of the rightys on this board. I wasn't referring to anything outside this board.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 07:05 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    on behalf of Obamacare
    But it isn't about Obamacare though.
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3494803
  • Jun 29, 2013, 06:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    But it isn't about Obamacare though.
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3494803

    That is Obamacare. California is the big testing ground which is why they're exploiting kids to help get as many enrolled as possible.

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