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McConnell called Reid's bluff and asked that the President's plan come up for a vote . Reid still hasn't taken the President's budget off the dusty shelves of the do nothing Senate.Quote:
You know he hasn't gotten a single vote on any of his budgets.
The senate has voted for a fiscal cliff plan, but it's the house who must start legislation and send it to the senate. That's the law, so its up to your boy bonehead to submit something, either counter offer, or some legislation. Plain and simple.
He better get with Nancy and count the votes of the ones with reasonable common sense because I doubt the tea party will go along with letting the rich peoples taxes go up. Financial disaster or NOT.
Rebooting the financial system is NOT something I trust to right wingers who want to destroy the government, and replace it with a rich guy and his corporate buddies. That is what the last election was about wasn't it?
Don't be mad because YOU guys picked the wrong 47%.
I don't hate anyone. I'm not too find of liberal hypocrisy though.
BS .The Repubics have passed a budget every year and that is where it died when the Senate refused to take it up . Reid is excrement that needs to be flushed.Quote:
The senate has voted for a fiscal cliff plan, but it's the house who must start legislation and send it to the senate. That's the law, so its up to your boy bonehead to submit something, either counter offer, or some legislation. Plain and simple
Indeed, the Senate refuses to take up House bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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House Republican leaders Wednesday reiterated their demands that the Senate take up fiscal cliff legislation as they remain no closer to finding the votes within their conference to pass a bill of their own.
After a 2 p.m. conference call with his leadership team, Speaker John Boehner’s office released a joint statement with other Republican leaders in which House Republicans once again sought to lay the blame for a lack of action on the Democratic-controlled Senate.
"The House has acted on two bills which collectively would avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted," the statement read. "Those bills await action by the Senate. If the Senate will not approve and send them to the president to be signed into law in their current form, they must be amended and returned to the House."
"Once this has occurred, the House will then consider whether to accept the bills as amended, or to send them back to the Senate with additional amendments," the statement continued. "The House will take this action on whatever the Senate can pass, but the Senate first must act."
Hello again,
It's like we're describing TWO different worlds.
When I was a kid and learned HISTORY, I was BLOWN away to find out that there was DIFFERENT version of history. But, I said to my young self, how can that be? What HAPPENED, HAPPENED, didn't it??
Now, I SEE how that can be. I don't UNDERSTAND it, and never did, but I see there IS, indeed, an alternate view of the universe.
Do you have special glasses? Or do you REALLY put tin foil on your heads?
excon
House republican blaming everyone but themselves why they can not do their job. Leave it to the right to spin it as the senates fault for rejecting ideological BS!!
That's THEIR job, and they did it.
What part of history are you missing here?
Fact: the House has passed two bills on the fiscal cliff.
Fact: the Senate has not acted on them.
Fact: the Senate has not passed a budget in over 3 years.
Fact: Obama's last two budgets went down 196-0.
Prove me wrong.
What part of history are you missing here?
Fact: the House has passed two bills on the fiscal cliff.
Nobody but you guys want to keep the bush tax cuts for the rich while cutting benefits for old and poor people. Thats a fact and thats what the election was about.YOU guys ignore the last election results.
Fact: the Senate has not acted on them.
Because they were BS and goes against the will of the people.
Fact: the Senate has not passed a budget in over 3 years.
Not the formal one but they have been paying the bills and have a structure in place for spending. Lack of knowledge about the government process is biting you guys in the butt. The budget numbers are on line and so is the process for operating without a budget.
Fact: Obama's last two budgets went down 196-0.
A procedural tactic built into the congressional rules and a straw man talking point for wingers without a clue.
Prove me wrong.
Don't have to as you haven't understood the nuances of governance from the beginning nor the illogic of your position
Yes I recall how willing the Dems were to work with President Bush's agenda in 2005.Quote:
YOU guys ignore the last election results.
What strategy was the purpose for that Senate Dem "procedural tactic" ? I'll tell you since you won't admit it . It was a ploy Reid crafted to make sure no one held the Senate Dems accountable for a vote they took.Quote:
Fact: Obama's last two budgets went down 196-0.
A procedural tactic built into the congressional rules and a straw man talking point for wingers without a clue.
Bottom line is that the only way that a plan will be passed is if the Repubics completely surrender to the will of the President . But you guys call that 'compromise' .
And back to insulting my intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Quite frankly, you have no idea what my position is. I don't believe I've stated one and quite often tend not to any more because you libs will assign me a position no matter what I say.
Naw you don't get to back right wing people and policies and then distance yourself from them when called. I am not insulting your intelligence at all but do question your political logic. That shouldn't surprise you when you describe my logic as straw arguments.
Nor you ignoring the results of the last election where you lost a few local seats and we won a few national ones. Consensus and compromise won, and doing nothing LOST.
If you guys weren't so scared of being eaten by your own in the next election, we would have a grand deal and a logical path back from the 12 years YOU guys have wasted hollering about what ever you can pronounce, and screwing things up and blaming others.
No I have no faith that the TParty or the rest of the right wing minority can govern fairly, or effectively. Obviously more of my fellow Americans agree with me, than with YOU!
One doesn't have to distance themselves from positions they never took.
It's pretty sad that Republicans are letting a guy named after a Sesame Street puppet treat them like his puppet, how ironic.
How is it that a party that is not in power can put together and pass a budget, seems somewhat strange to me
The Constitution says that all revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives (Article I, Section 7 ).The President is supposed to present a budget that the House acts on . The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, requires the President to submit to Congress annually a proposed budget for the federal government.
After the House passed a budget (which they have done every year that the Repubics have been the majority ) then the Senate is supposed to vote on it .(The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 provided for the annual adoption of a concurrent resolution on the budget as a mechanism for facilitating congressional budgetary decision making. )
There is where the system has broken down . Reid has not allowed the passed budget to come up for a vote in the Senate. If he did ,then the next step would be a conference committee between the two houses to hash out a bill together.. That compromise bill would then be sent to the President to sign .
I suppose what I am really asking Tom is how can your government continue to function if no budget has been passed?
We too have a system where money bills originate in the House of Representatives and where there is a minority in the Senate differences of opinion are thrashed out, but we also have a system where the government cannot spend money which has not been appropriated. In 1975 supply was refused and the government was forced to an election.
As an example our budget has expanded 20% in the past four years, this would not have been possible under your system
They pass these phony continuous spending resolutions and constantly deal with working around the debt limit that their inaction on the budget creates .
So in fact a budget has been passed, it is just an older version and what is not agreed to are recent changes the Republican Party would force on the government
Hello again, tom:
They? THEY?? Who is "they"? Pursuant to your post above, I assume "they" are House Republicans. Or, they're the SENATE which doesn't do squat WITHOUT Republican support...Quote:
they pass these phony continuous spending resolutions
Excon
Reid and his Democrat majority don't even bother to try and do their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Let me help you out.. "They " would be the House ,the Senate ,and the President... all of whom are charged by the Constitution to make and sign laws regarding the budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No ,not quite . Yes they are working on an older budget . No ;the President and the House do their job . It's the do nothing Senate that skirts responsibility .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hello again, Steve:
We've talked about this lots of times... I don't know WHY you don't hear me. I think we're talking PAST each other... That's what they're doing in DC, so why should WE be different??Quote:
Reid and his Democrat majority don't even bother to try and do their job.
You use the word "majority" as though it means that they RUN the show - that they can pass ANYTHING they want. But, of course, that's not true. The Republicans can filibuster, and they DO. In fact, they've filibustered MORE than ANY opposition party EVER has. Don't you think THAT'S worth mentioning??
Now, you talk about their "job", but I'm not sure what you mean.. Oh, I've heard you guys complain that the senate hasn't passed a budget in years... Now, I don't know a lot about how Washington works, but I think tom mentioned something about budgetary stuff being the work of the House. Plus, if passing a budget in the Senate were necessary before they spent money, then as a right winger, I think you'd APPLAUD that fact... That would be obstructionism the Tea Party would LOVE.
But, they ARE spending money.. Apparently, what the Senate does about budgeting isn't integral to the operation of the government.. Given the above, it appears that a Senate budget is nothing more than advisory. And, if THAT'S so, who cares whether they write one or not?
Tell me where I'm wrong. Gimme a civics lesson. Or, are you just going to continue with your right wing talking points?
Excon
Had you read my post you would've had that civil lesson. Yes spending bill have to initiate in the Senate . But the Senate has to also pass a budget for it to go to the President's desk ;who then has to sign it to become the law.
Now ask yourself WHY would the Senate Repubics filibuster a budget passed by the Republic House ? No that isn't what's happened and you know it . Reid shelves the budgets passed by the House so his chamber doesn't need to take ownership of them. Then he symbolically votes on a version that he knows both the Senate Dems and Repubics will reject. He has made a mockery of the process and turned it into a farce..
Hello again, tom:
Then replace him with somebody who's more reasonable, like Sharron Angle. Oh, that's right.Quote:
He has made a mockery of the process and turned it into a farce..
Excon
You're not listening. The Senate is REQUIRED BY LAW to pass a budget and has not done so for over 3 years. I know you understand what REQUIRED BY LAW means. Whether Republicans can filibuster or not is irrelevant, Reid is making a mockery of the Senate and ignoring his lawful responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The Repubics would obviously need a majority to make a change .That won't happen while the beltway boys run the party . But the Dems should realize that even Schmuck Schumer would be a better Majority leader for their party ,and for the country .
Hello again, Steve:
Show me. I'm easy.Quote:
REQUIRED BY LAW
Excon
You have screwed up your own party, now you want to screw up our party? Come on guys, you righties take care of your own problems which are many before you go looking for other stuff to fix. While you are at it, don't forget 12 years of YOUR bright ideas and stupid actions have us here at this cliff because you refuse what's reasonable and think you can make people forget by blaming others for not doing it YOUR way, and refusing to do it MY way.
LOL, you think just because you send a BS piece of paper to Harry, its supposed to become law? What part of the hell with the Tea Party is it you don't get?
Continuing Resolution Introduced to Keep Government Running, Provide Much-Needed Disaster Funding | Committee on Appropriations, U.S. House of Representatives
So we see there are YOUR facts, and there are THE facts. You seem to be stuck on yours. Being stuck for 12 years is an awful long time. That's MY facts.Quote:
The CR is a must-pass bill that is necessary to prevent a government shutdown and continue federal operations until all Appropriations legislation for fiscal year 2012 is enacted. Currently, the House Appropriations Committee has moved on 11 of the 12 annual Appropriations bills – with six bills having cleared the House. The CR introduced today continues government operations at a rate of $1.043 trillion – the total amount agreed to by the Congress and the White House in the recent debt-ceiling legislation – and runs until November 18.
House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers stressed the importance of the bill and urged quick passage by Congress:
“While the House has made remarkable progress on funding bills for the next fiscal year, additional time is needed to complete this essential work. A Continuing Resolution will allow time for Congress to pass annual Appropriations legislation, while maintaining vital government programs and services in the short term.
"No money may be drawn from the treasury but in Cosequence of appropriation by Law"
The US Constitution article 1, section 9, clause 7
Hello tal:
If I understand this right, passing a "budget", or NOT, in the Senate has NOTHING to do with actual government operations...
Then why do right wingers keep repeating it? Did Frank Luntz tell 'em to?
excon
What do you expect from guys who think trickle down economics is the only way to run an economy? If it stops tricking down, then give the guys in charge of the trickle more of the economy. Ain't that crazy??
It was Luntz's idea to call greedy rich guys job creators, when the true job creators are consumers creating DEMAND. That's TRUE capitalism, not this legal stealing the right is talking about. YOU Ex, should know better than listen to the right wing spin. They hate being governed because they want to govern YOU.
They believe the stuff they make up, and call US crazy when WE don't believe it. They screw up and blame US. If they can't accurately count votes, what make you think they can count money? Are you crazy or something?
I don't recall anyone saying that so that's just another canard like your "do-nothing Republicans" spiel. The House did their job, Harry Reid's Senate has not, ain't no more complicated than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So you're against "do-nothing Republicans" but for do-nothing Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello... The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 supported by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 requires the Senate to pass a budget . That is just fact. The Senate must move a budget out of the Budget Committee by April 1 of every year and must adopt a budget resolution on the floor by April 15.
The Senate majority can bring a budget to the floor anytime it wishes and pass it with just 51 votes. It cannot be filibustered. how quickly they forget how Obamacare got passed as a budgetary bill..
The house has done a LOUSY job since the Tea party came to town. You are just mad because Harry ain't going along with the house lunacy.
Nope, just fed up with this Orwellian world you and the lamestream media are foisting on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That law has been modified and changed over the years for many reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act (1974) Study Guide & Homework Help - eNotes.com
Don't know why this is so hard to understand. Even the Dems in the Senate know their legal obligation. They skate around the issue by claiming that the Budget Control Act is an adequate substitute for a real budget because it "deems" spending caps.
They understand, they just won't admit it.
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