For you and Tal, it refers to Obots who didn't think it was fair that Obama couldn't use TOTUS at the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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For you and Tal, it refers to Obots who didn't think it was fair that Obama couldn't use TOTUS at the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Nope, our comments refers to you saying Obama's "base is clueless". Try to keep up. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Sorry, but unlike you I know what I'm referring to when I say it. Try and keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I know you think that, that's why we posted what we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ah, so you know why everyone does everything but I don't know why I posted my own words? You don't know the difference between screaming and wearing a t-shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well here are your words:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by excon
That's why I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Dude, I'm not excon and you're still ignoring the reason I gave for saying his base was clueless. I told you once so this time pay attention. My remark refers to this:
Anyone with half a brain knows use of a teleprompter is against the rules of a debate and use of a hanky isn't for cheating, it's for wiping.Quote:
I rest my case.
Romney was right...
Mitt Romney: 'You don't just pick winners, you pick losers'Quote:
Abound Solar under investigation by Weld County district attorney; received $68 million stimulus
LONGMONT, Colo. - A bankrupt Longmont-based company that received $68 million in stimulus money is under investigation by the Weld County district attorney's office.
7NEWS has confirmed Abound Solar is under investigation.
Abound made solar panels which it sold across the country, Europe and India.The Department of Energy approved nearly $370 million in federal stimulus money for Abound. The company received $68 million before payments were stopped in 2011.
Sources tell 7NEWS that the company's finances are under scrutiny.
7NEWS obtained internal documents from 2012 that show orders for tens of thousands of replacement solar panels. The orders cite different reasons for the replacements including, "low performance," "under performance" and "catastrophic failures."
The orders are for replacements requested after the Department of Energy stopped stimulus money payments to Abound.
"These are solar panels we are now seeing reports that said they worked as long as you didn't put them in the sun," said Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colo. "Now the question is did the (Department of Energy) -- did they know something that the rest of should have known? Did Abound not tell the DOE something? These are questions that need to be answered."
Solar panels that work as long as you don't put them in the sun. Yep, that's another fine winner you picked Mr. President.
Even conservatives don't like Romney:
This is almost too easy today...
Chuck Todd: Republican Edge In Voter Enthusiasm Is 'Huge Problem' For Democrats
I guess it's a landslide for you guys - congrats!
Way to go! I'm sure this forum helped sway the vote!
This should make a huge difference in your everyday life. Kudos!
Do you think there is a single person here whose opinion has changed?
So we should stop talking?
What's there to talk about? Nothing has changed except the circumstances. Romney thinks the US should reimplement gunboat diplomacy, the way to revive the american economy, while a mild recovery is on the way. If you could talk success Romney would be a shoe in but, Obama has demonstrated in the last four years you can't do that. Look, either way, you are screwed. You have had ten years of the war on terror and Romney wants to intensify it, but you can no longer change things with a wave of your hand, once you exported your recessions, but having exported your industries, now you will feel everyoneelses' recessions and no amount of political rhetoric will change that
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Does anyone else find this bizarre? You bolster your numbers by motivating a certain percentage of the population to vote by creating a siege mentality amongst those who are susceptible to this type of influence.
Tut
So what you are saying is the american voters are sheep led to the slaughter by a judas goat
Well the older ones anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Not exactly. There will be a small percentage of the population that are heavily influenced by the media. If this percentage were only representative 8 or 9 percentage of your constituency then it is still worth the effort to motivate them enough to ensure that they get out and vote in a close election.
I would assume that the majority of the population are critical of the media and make their own decisions in terms of policy rather than believing there are a number of wars going on.
I also think that we can start looking at a complicit media and start tracing it back from there.
Tut
In the US I think that would be an incorrect assumption. I know this forum is not representative of the general population but when looking at a variety of sources it seems voters there are more emotion based in their voting. It would be better if voting was based on the candidate's policies but I don't think that's the majority at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
This may well be true. Emotion can play a big part depending on a variety of factors. Social, political and economic factors of the time no doubt can play a role in this. I guess when people are looking for the answers they turn to the media. In this regard the media has an important responsibility in the first instance.
Tut
I don't know Karma we are fairly evenly divided if you discount Tom's fence sitting
And your politicians don't pander to their base ? That is how political parties are created in the 1st place.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
That has been my contention. However ;it has improved here as the media has come out of the closet and is not trying so hard to disguise it's biases ;and with the increasingly diverse media in the market place of ideas .Quote:
I also think that we can start looking at a complicit media and start tracing it back from there.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Pandering to their base is one thing, but deliberately creating a siege mentality is completely different altogether. We have to vote in elections therefore there is no benefit in 'firing up' people in order to motivate them enough to get out and vote. Seeing everyone has to vote we may as well vote on policy as anything else.
No doubt some people choose the anything else. But having just said that it is important to keep in mind that our media is different to yours in some areas.
Tut
Tom, I would completely disagree with this. There is no diversity of ideas. Just diversity of mouthpieces saying the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Just recently I asked for a non-American source in order to supplement wider reading on a topic and you oblige me with another American author.
Please note this is no a criticism of American authors.
Tut
Hello again,
Romney is winning now. Obviously, the polls are rigged.
excon
I like to talk. That's kind of the whole point of this forum, to have discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You're just making crap up.Quote:
nothing has changed except the circumstances. Romney thinks the US should reimplement gunboat diplomacy, the way to revive the american economy, while a mild recovery is on the way. If you could talk success Romney would be a shoe in but, Obama has demonstrated in the last four years you can't do that. Look, either way, you are screwed. You have had ten years of the war on terror and Romney wants to intensify it,
But you can no longer change things with a wave of your hand, once you exported your recessions, but having exported your industries, now you will feel everyoneelses' recessions and no amount of political rhetoric will change that
I don't find anything at all odd about people being enthusiastic. It's not a strictly American phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
The paradox in the world is that many who condemn U.S. hegemony also seem to demand it.We'll see how the left likes the Obama doctrine when they start making demands for humanitarian intervention.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And yet another loser pick for Obama...Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I suppose failure is a result.Quote:
Plant that got $150M in taxpayer money to make Volt batteries furloughs workers
President Obama touted it in 2010 as evidence "manufacturing jobs are coming back to the United States,” but two years later, a Michigan hybrid battery plant built with $150 million in taxpayer funds is putting workers on furlough before a single battery has been produced...
The 650,000-square-foot, $300 million facility was slated to produce 15,000 batteries per year, while creating hundreds of new jobs. But to date, only 200 workers are employed at the plant by by the South Korean company. Batteries for the Chevy Volts that have been produced have been made by an LG plant in South Korea.
The factory was partly funded by a $150 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy. LG also received sizeable tax breaks from the local government, saving nearly $50 million in property taxes over 15 years and another $2.5 million annually in business taxes. Landing the factory was hailed as a coup when shovels first hit the ground.
“You are leading the way in showing how manufacturing jobs are coming right back here to the United States of America,” Obama told workers at the ground-breaking ceremony. “Our goal has never been to create a government program, but rather to unleash private-sector growth. And we're seeing results.”
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Spoken like a fellow who gets a paycheck.
I had a partner like you once... He thought his INVESTMENT was a sure thing, and when it wasn't, he wanted me to pay it back...
excon
I accept the risks of my investments so I'm not like him at all. I do however try and minimize those risks. Unlike Obama I don't jump in with both feet because the investment fits my political agenda. There was never any real market for a $40k electric car outside of Beverly Hills so invest accordingly, not on inflated expectations and hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
By the way, has Obama ever commented on or taken responsibility for any of his many loser investments of OUR money?
Would you invest your money with someone like Obama and his proven track record of picking losers ?
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Spoken like ANOTHER fellow who gets a paycheck.. I don't know where you were, but he picked GM.
I thought right wingers LIKED American cars. No, huh?
excon
Aside from my reliable Toyotas I've always been a Ford man.
GM bailout was a fraud and a loser to the taxpayers . Even the judge who approved it is now 2nd guessing the legality ;and a law suit by the creditors who got screwed could lead to a reopening of the whole restructure deal .
Creditor Lawsuit Could Undo Elements of 2009 GM Bailout - Deal Journal - WSJ
Hundreds of years of bankruptcy law supporting the idea that the senior bondholders are first in line and not a union pension fund, was thrown in the scrap heap by the deal . Yes ,GM is "still in business", but their position is tenuous at best .Traditional bankruptcy laws would've accomplished the same thing ,but they would be structually sounder and we would not have wasted taxpayers dollars in the effort.
Check out my reply to Ex in this OP . Clearly voter enthusiasm is a factor in a system where we don't force people to vote . I contend that a non-vote is also making a valid democratic choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3284960-post4.html
The post-debate Obama strategy, Nikelodeon and Sesame Street...
Big Bird's people have since asked Team Obama to cease and desist, which is probably a good thing for his campaign. The RNC responded...
http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-conten...paigncount.jpg
Jeff Emmanuel had fun with it...
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