Actually the same thing could be said of christianity... or conservatism... or any other group of people since you'll always find some not following the doctrine.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Actually the same thing could be said of christianity... or conservatism... or any other group of people since you'll always find some not following the doctrine.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Love it when YOU conservatives do things and blame us for it. Instead of a jobs bill we get an abortion bill, and we blame the liberals, particularly the President. You find a bad egg, and blame the president. You see a gay guy you blame the president. Obstruct and blame that's all you guys can do.
All of a sudden there is a deficit, blame the poor. No jobs, blame the government. Every time a conservative does something, somebody else is to blame. Call them on it, they blame you and they call foul. Lets face it, conservatives get mad when you tell them the truth, and then blame YOU for not listening to the truth. Gut the government, starve the beast. Get out of there lives, but waste a bunch of time making sure a female has a baby so they both can be barefoot and pregnant, and poor... And blame her. Ain't no jobs bill, yet they ask where are the jobs? There are not enough conservatives to have a president, so purge the rolls of anybody with a funny name, 100, 000, or a million at a time, and that's fair because Mickey Mouse voted 50 times. Gun club ID is perfect, student ID is illegal.
This ain't no war on women, it's a war on anybody who ain't on the loony tune right, and it's the liberals fault, especially Obama. What does he know about true Americans! He is trying to destroy America and thank God the conservatives are going to take it back from the foreigners, and liberals.
Like Bill said, when the right screws it up, the left is there to fix it!! Trouble is, we know they will screw it up. It's there RIGHT to screw it up. That's why America needs a safety net in the first place!
True. But I'm not blind to my hypocrisy like the left is.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Funny how you guys on the left never want to acknowledge when you're caught in a glaring hypocrisy. Oh no, let's deflect, distract and spew a few clichés instead of addressing the issue at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He doesn't do anything different than the conservatives do on this forum. Nothing different at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hogwash.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's a sound argument! LOL!
How's the baseball pool coming along? How's your dog?
Just calling 'em like I see 'em, and I see me destroying everyone in baseball. My dog is fine.
Just referring to an article I saw the other day where they say there are more women casualities than men in mexico as a result of the war on drugsQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'm conservative leaning, but I would have a real hard time being a member of the Republican party if I were American. They are no longer the party of Eisenhower, Ford or even Reagan. I can't think of any other Western country where a supposedly mainstream conservative party is controlled by extreme right-wing, religious fanatics and morons. I hope that more moderate conservatives will be able to steer the party in the right direction, but it doesn't look hopeful.
Throw rocks, and expect to get rocked. Casual debate, we debate the facts, and can find them through the BS on both sides! So what do you want to do? Talk or throw rocks? Makes no difference to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Funny how you guys on the left never want to acknowledge when you're caught in a glaring hypocrisy. Oh no, let's deflect, distract and spew a few clichés instead of addressing the issue at hand.
To the war on women, legislatures, and the congress is making them pretty mad I would say. The minorities are mad, so are the citizens. I think we all are tired of OUR elected politicians serving some one other than US!
See, even conservatives are not satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
There is a lot of polarisation of views today and much negative thinking. The tactics of fear have been working. The idea of there being a consensus and some middle ground has left the political arena. Even if politicians agree on a solution they differ on the details and so nothing is done
In sports it's the stall tactic, run the clock out, and then win by a point, or a few million bucks. This started on the inauguration of the current president, and the rocks have been flying since. The goal, to make this a one term president, and regain the house, senate, and white house.
Give more power to rich elites by keeping the Bush tax cuts, and making everything privatized. That's the agenda.
Privatisation is the centre piece of your economy, it is big enough to have services provided by private enterprise. Tax cuts are not a bad thing if you have a balanced budget but someone must pay for last years benefits and the mistakes of past presidents. Since many of these mistakes have been republican they should pay their share.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Let's get back to basics, there is no such thing as a free lunch
Video evidence of a clinic violating the law to perform sex-selective abortions isn't rock throwing. It's sunshine, and it deserves more than a clichéd deflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Earl doesn't get a vote here but hey, I wish Reagan was still running things, too. He made us feel good about being Americans and he was a leader. Out front, not from behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And he acted Presidential... He didn't make crude sexual innuendo jokes at gay fundraisers.
Hello again,
Wow. Did you know that you can REGULATE what a vagina DOES, but you can't say the word?? That's the way it is in Michigan.
But, there's no war on women... Look over there. Obama is doing something..
excon
Yeah, that was real classy comment to make on the house floor. Personally, I don't care if she says the word vagina or not, but the fact is abortion regulations are not about her vagina any more than her day long ban from speaking on the house floor is about the word vagina. The first is about the child inside and the second is about decorum.
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It is the responsibility of the Majority Floor Leader, the presiding officer and every Representative to maintain the decorum of the House... Stamas has informed Minority Floor Leader Segal that Reps. Brown and Byrum will not be recognized to speak on the House floor today after being gaveled down for their comments and actions yesterday that failed to maintain the decorum of the House of Representatives.
Under Rep. Stamas’ floor leadership, the House Republicans have allowed more debate on the House floor than ever seen in the past few sessions when House Democrats were in charge. House Republicans often go beyond simply allowing debate by welcoming open and passionate discussion of the issues before this chamber. The only way we can continue doing so, however, is to ensure that the proper level of maturity and civility are maintained on the House floor.
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is to ensure that the proper level of maturity and civility are maintained on the House floor
Sure wish that happened here, fallorn hope
Yep, those darn Republicans sure are waging a war on women.
Uh, what? I personally have touted the former first lady's work on behalf of women, especially those oppressed in Islamic countries.Quote:
Laura Bush’s fight for women
By Kathleen Parker, Published: June 19
By now, most sentient Americans have heard about the war on women. That is, the Republican war on women, which has been framed as a battle waged by stodgy, old white guys who want to deny women reproductive freedom.
One can debate the validity of these claims, but for now, let’s give equal time to the other war on women. This one is manned not by men but by a dwindling number of women whose understanding of equality is so narrowly defined that only a certain kind of woman can be recognized as having achieved anything of value.
Twenty-two such women recently wrote a letter to the Sewall-Belmont House and Museum, protesting an award to be given to former first lady Laura Bush. The Alice Award, which honors a woman who has helped other women, previously has gone to Hillary Clinton, Katie Couric, Nancy Pelosi and Olympia Snowe.
Leading the charge of “The 22,” as we shall call them, is Sonia Pressman Fuentes, co-founder of the National Organization for Women, who described her reaction upon reading that Bush was being honored as “a sudden onset of Alzheimer’s.”
Well, at least she didn’t say the vapors.
“I couldn’t believe my eyes,” she said. “It’s not partisan. I’m not complaining that she’s a Republican.” (Snowe, after all, is a Republican.) “I’m complaining that she’s never done anything for women to get this award.”
Well? Doesn't it?Quote:
I have some personal knowledge of Bush’s significant efforts through the years. Although most associate her with literacy programs, no small detail, she also has made important inroads in women’s health. I was among three journalists, including Greta Van Susteren and Robin Roberts, who traveled with the first lady through the Middle East in 2007 to launch a breast cancer research and treatment initiative in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.
We watched as Bush met with women who whispered their secrets to her, in some cases saying for the first time the words “breast cancer.” These were women who couldn’t get a mammogram without their husband’s permission. Even saying the word “breast” was verboten and cancer a disease of shame. Afflicted women often were abandoned by their husbands, and their daughters were so stigmatized that they were deemed unsuitable for marriage.
We also watched as Bush met with heads of state, charming kings, sheiks and princes and helping them see the importance of women’s equality through access to health. Until she ventured forth on their behalf, 80 percent of women with breast cancer in the Middle East died. Now that number is lower.
Doesn’t this qualify as helping women?
Damn right she is worthy. Unlike the president who started this GOP "war on women" myth, Mrs. Bush deserves the recognition for her accomplishments, not her potential. I'd put her accomplishments on behalf of women everywhere up against the whole lot of today's feminists. The lives she has touched are a far more substantial work than protesting Romney dressed as a giant pack of contraceptives.Quote:
Bush has also been instrumental in helping women advance in Afghanistan through education and professional training programs she shepherds through the George W. Bush Institute. If that’s not enough, consider how, for the past several years, she has championed the plight of Burma’s Aung San Suu Kyi, who recently claimed the Nobel Peace Prize she won 21 years ago while under house arrest for her human rights activism...
These are the battles Laura Bush has chosen to fight, no less important than any other — and worthy of a Nobel of her own.
Hello again, Steve:
I have only one thing to say... Transvaginal probes... Or, is that two things?
excon
Trans Ex where do they go?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The armpits..
excon
?? Kinky
Been there, covered that and you still have no leg to stand on. No one is requiring transvaginal probes. Time to quit dodging, buddy, and address the left's war on women. What about this attack on Laura??Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know... When we attacked Sarah Palin, you said it was because she was a woman. That wasn't true. Now you put this attack on Laura Bush into the same camp as Republicans attacking woman's rights.
You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.
excon
Seems to me that if a women has the right to kill a baby ,and a man doesn't ,then it's an unequal rights situation.
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Women are not men, and the laws are going to reflect that.
excon
Seems to me since its in their bodies, it's their call, whether men like it or NOT!!
What about the rights attack on the present first lady?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201050006
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato...ck-michele-oba
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201040001
As for your claim about T-probes not being required...
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...inia-and-texas
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/02...und-bill-video
... its not from a lack of trying!!
Seriously, you mock us for relying on Fox when we don't then offer Media Matters as a source? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
Here's where another part of your diversion to attacks on Michelle falls flat, most of the time they're just jokes. You have no sense of humor? And none of that explains or justifies attacking Laura Bush as having done NOTHING for women when she damn well has done more than most. I don't see that NOW lady in the Middle East talking to Muslim women about breast cancer or discussing the need to empower women with sheiks and princes, do you? Just curious, what is Michelle and Hillary doing in that regard?
As for your "it isn't for a lack of trying" thing, feel free to show me where any of these laws require a transvaginal probe. Been asking and waiting since the first thread on this and I'm still waiting.
Now back to my question, what about this attack on Laura Bush? Is it deserved or has she earned the right to be honored for her on behalf of women?
No sir, I'm quite sure I said it was because she wasn't a liberal woman, and that's entirely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Um, it was you who titled this "the war on women." If attacking a woman that has done as much as Bush has for women isn't a "war on women" then I don't know what is.Quote:
Now you put this attack on Laura Bush into the same camp as Republicans attacking woman's rights.
I was right then and I'm right now.
Funny how you only saw the one source and ignored the others. Multiple sources that say the same is a general consensus, even though you say your side is joking around, and my side is throwing rocks and being direspectful.
That pretty selective, and self serving. Why not just say its wrong to attack a first lady? On that we can agree.
I know the difference between a joke and an attack and I never said Laura Bush should be immune to criticism, she's a public figure. When a public figure's public behavior contradicts their public message they should be held accountable, and that's what I'm doing to these nags attacking Laura Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Bush's behavior has been exemplary, her work on behalf of women is unquestionable. You choose not to hold these hypocrites accountable with me that's your choice, but it speaks volumes.
Hello again, Steve:
I think Laura Bush is great.. Am I going to blast everybody that doesn't agree with me?? No, of course not. I don't see YOU doing that.. To expect it of US, and not your own, is an indication that you drank the koolaid.
excon
You have no idea how much stuff I let slide instead of trying to make an issue out of it, am I supposed to start a thread just to say this is a stupid attack? You made the charge of a GOP "war on women" and that's not who is waging a war on women. If you can't see the war on women waged by the left that is a clear indication you drank the koolaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Let me see. You think any RANDOM attack on a Republican woman constitutes a war on women, particularly REPUBLICAN women...
Then you compare that to a CONCERTED effort by a huge segment of society to pass LAWS that negatively effect women, and you think it's the same thing.
Man, you DID drink the koolaid.
excon
To be more specific, the right wing gop war is with everybody that's not in lock step with them/you.
That's why you only recognize when YOU are being attacked. So your attack on Laura Bush can be seen as a joke too, or opinion, take your pick. Now if you don't think the joke on Mrs Bush was funny, then you know how I feel about the JOKES on Mrs Obama.
Maybe you don't want to admit YOU are as sensitive as I am!
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