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Originally Posted by talaniman

Poor Scooter Libby, took the bullet for his president. Like Ollie North, dope dealer, a right wing hero.

Nope... took the bullet for Richard Armitage's mistake and Colin Powell's coverup.

Ex Alan Dershowitz agrees with my statements about the special prosecutor . He must be a racist too

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Ex Alan Dershowitz agrees with my statements about the special prosecutor . He must be a racist too

Hello again, tom:

I, too, agree that she overcharged. But it doesn't piss me off like it does you. I saw the interview with Dershowitz. It didn't piss him off either.

excon

Not pissed off at all... just an observation.. I don't have a predisposed opinion of this case as many people do.

It is what it is, that's the process. At least we now have started a process, instead of ignoring it. It took 2 months of outrage to even get a process going in this case.

Just an observation.

Just curious, should this guy be charged with murder, too?

Texas father shouldn't be arrested for killing man who tried to molest his 4-year-old, residents say

Hello again, Steve:

So, if murder is justified, it's OK. Some right to lifer you are.

excon

Hell NO!!

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, if murder is justified, it's ok. Some right to lifer you are.

excon

Yep, I'd be protecting my innocent 4-year-old's life just like this dad did, at all cost. He was justified - aborting an innocent child because you don't want to be inconvenienced or wanted a boy is not.

What? A blastula is not a 4 year old boy! Do you eat eggs too? Then you're a murderer. Do you masturbate? Then you have offended god!

Still just 12 years old, NK?

Well if you're going to go all fundamentalist you might as well not pick what you're fundie about. No?

See how I ignore you're little barbs? I'm not hyper-sensitive about everything.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yep, I'd be protecting my innocent 4-year-old's life

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh.. A couple whacks to the head would have done that.. Anything more is murder. Interesting how you try to justify MURDER. I thought right wingers were FOR law and order... Guess not.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well if you're going to go all fundamentalist you might as well not pick and choose what you're fundie about. No?

See how I ignore you're little barbs? I'm not hyper-sensitive about everything.

And I'm not being the least bit sensitive or going "all fundamentalist." I'm just responding to the level of maturity you display here.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh.. A couple whacks to the head would have done that.. Anything more is murder. Interesting how you try to justify MURDER. I thought right wingers were FOR law and order... Guess not.

excon

So you think he should be charged with murder, eh? Why didn't you just say so in the first place? That was the question I asked.

Well I am only 19 so...

At least they got George and his wife behind bars.

NK, I was being generous with 12.

Hello again,

So, Zimmerman is a LIAR. So's his wife. Whoda thunk?

excon

Yea I think Tal mentioned that a few days go.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yea I think Tal mentioned that a few days go.

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, well, I'm old and slow.

excon

I hope to get there some day.

Good thing they got a picture of her in the paper for the vigilantes who have issued death threats.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Good thing they got a picture of her in the paper for the vigilantes who have issued death threats.

Hello again, tom:

What?? Those 5 black fellows who don't have a nickel to rub together between them?? Those guys??

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

My question is this... and I don't know the answer . Is money donated to a defense fund considered their money ? I mean ;had they tried to use it for bail would that have been a legitimate use of the funds ?
Meanwhile I think the most likely scenario is that they will use perjury charges against his wife to pressure Zimmerman to plea to a lesser charge.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

My question is this ... and I don't know the answer . Is money donated to a defense fund considered their money ?

Not sure. What has happened in the past in this respect? Defense funds have been a fund raising tool for decades.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Is money donated to a defense fund considered their money ?

Hello tom:

The word "fund" has no meaning in law. So, it depends on HOW the fund was set up, IF it was set up at all. My guess is that because it happened so fast, and they had no representation at that time, that money was just sent to them for the purposes of being used as a defense fund...

If that is how it transpired, then the money is theirs to do with as they choose. However, if you Google his defense fund, you may find that it's set up a little differently. I didn't go there, so I wouldn't know. I don't even know if there IS a place to go.

However, I would guess the authorities wouldn't have have called it HIS money if it wasn't. Then again, this is Florida. They might.

excon

Didja hear? There is no evidence of racial profiling in this case .
In Trayvon Martin case, FBI reports no evidence Zimmerman a racist | Nation & World | The Seattle Times

But yes ;he did profile the hoodie when he decided to follow Trayvon .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Didja hear? There is no evidence of racial profiling in this case ..

Hello again, tom:

Didja hear? I don't care. I didn't say he profiled Trayvon. I didn't say he was a racist. In fact, my problem with the case has NOTHING to do with Zimmerman OR Trayvon.. It has to do with the Stand Your Ground law, and the cops behavior..

But, you can distract us with that other stuff if you want.

excon

Whatever he did, for whatever reason, a child died. Giving him an out for answering for it is unacceptable. The law is flawed in both intent, application, and enforcement.

2 postings with multiple responses ;mostly dealing with the allegation that Zimmerman is racist ;and now it's a distraction when the charge proves bogus. Bet there are crickets chirping when Al Sharpton is asked for a comment.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Didja hear? I don't care. I didn't say he profiled Trayvon. I didn't say he was a racist. in fact, my problem with the case has NOTHING to do with Zimmerman OR Trayvon.. It has to do with the Stand Your Ground law, and the cops behavior..

But, you can distract us with that other stuff if you want.

excon

Are you against the castle doctrine too? Or is it that self defense is the issue when the police are minutes away?

The police handled it according to laws of the time. They did what they could and investigated. Now we have a rouge prosocutor that feels they have to try to make anything stick. That is who your energies should be directed at.

Read the first page of this thread, I think you'll get ex's opinion of the castle doctrine.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Read the first page of this thread, I think you'll get ex's opinion of the castle doctrine.

Hello again, dad and Steve:

Of course, I DO support the castle doctrine... So, I had to go back to read the page where I said I didn't... Well, it's as I figured. I didn't say that at all. Not even close...

Maybe the nuances of the law are too hard for some to comprehend.

excon

So you do like it? Sure is hard to tell what you like and what you don't these days.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So you do like it? Sure is hard to tell what you like and what you don't these days.

Hello again, Steve:

I know... When I say I don't like to be asked for my citizenship, you respond with, why don't you like to be asked for your drivers license...

I don't know if that has to do with your READING skills, or my WRITING skills.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I know... When I say I don't like to be asked for my citizenship, you respond with, why don't you like to be asked for your drivers license...

I dunno if that has to do with your READING skills, or my WRITING skills.

excon

The issue was driving on the interstate which requires a drivers license which is no-brainer in relating the two, as opposed to thinking it's the Gestapo asking a Polish Jew for his papers.

Seems clear to me my reading skills are just fine.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The issue was driving on the interstate which requires a drivers license which is no-brainer in relating the two, as opposed to thinking it's the Gestapo asking a Polish Jew for his papers.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know how you and I look at the same thing, and see TWO different things.. Maybe it's the water...

If you look again, the cop, is in the first instance, a BORDER PATROL cop. He DOESN'T ask for the guy's drivers license... He asks him what citizenship he as. It has NOTHING to do drivers licenses... In fact, FEDERAL cops can't ask for drivers licenses because they don't patrol the highways... If somebody doesn't have one, a federal cop can't even issue a ticket or arrest the guy...

So, your drivers license BS is a red herring, or a straw man.. I don't know WHICH, and I don't care.. But it AIN'T what's going on in THIS conversation.

If I'm pulled over by a REAL state cop who asks for my license and registration, OF COURSE I'll provide it... But, if a FEDERAL cop stops me and asks me for my papers, I'll resist, and I'll RESIST again...

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno how you and I look at the same thing, and see TWO different things.. Maybe it's the water...

If you look again, the cop, is in the first instance, a BORDER PATROL cop. He DOESN'T ask for the guy's drivers license... He asks him what citizenship he as. It has NOTHING to do drivers licenses... In fact, FEDERAL cops can't ask for drivers licenses because they don't patrol the highways... If somebody doesn't have one, a federal cop can't even issue a ticket or arrest the guy...

So, your drivers license BS is a red herring, or a straw man.. I dunno WHICH, and I don't care.. But it AIN'T what's going on in THIS conversation.

If I'm pulled over by a REAL state cop who asks for my license and registration, OF COURSE I'll provide it... But, if a FEDERAL cop stops me and asks me for my papers, I'll resist, and I'll RESIST again...

excon

Exie, my use of the term "drivers license" is analogous. It doesn't matter if he asks his citizenship, asks for his license, asks if you're carrying produce from outside of Arizona or asks if he's seen Batman; if it's a Border Patrol officer, highway patrol or a local yokel.

Drive on the roads and you may be subject to a checkpoint of some form or another. It's not a big deal and it's certainly not Nazi Germany.

Here is stand your ground in reverse. I think the officers should face jail time as well as the city have their pants sued off them.

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