Ask Me Help Desk - Who are the job creators, part deux (cause somebody's always closing my threads)

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What's wrong with power, and oil, and drug companies actually investing in clean, safe, effective technology? What's wrong with clean, air and water?

You too? Why do you and ex think we don't want clean air and water? That's one of the silliest straw men I've ever seen. Who doesn't want clean air and water?

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For the taxes they pay, big business should guarantee safe and efficient medicines, and drugs, and power. Until then I suggest you police them, rather than trust them for doing the right thing.

Why trust the government to look out for my best interests? Why ban something that's been used safely and effectively for asthma sufferers for decades that will likely have zero impact in carbon emissions? It's just plain stupid.

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Exxon hasn't cleaned up Alaska yet. Nor BP the Gulf. Until they do, I wouldn't give a rats patoot what they have to spend to protect us from their products. What they spend in lobbyist, and campaign contributions, can be used to pay for as many Environmental police as we need.

How's that for an offset. Sounds fair to me.

Ain't going to happen, you and I will pay for those 230,000 new bureaucrats. And did I mention Obama's own EPA said the rules are "absurd" and “impossible to administer”? Why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?

Yeah that half a bil to Solyndra Inc really worked out.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Why should there be outrage? They make big bucks and are subsidized by government. They make more money than anyone in the freakin' world, and you feel sorry for them??

Pretty obvious science AIN"T your strong suit. Or you have already sucked to many fumes. Come on guy, they spend big bucks investing in politicians and PACS, to get even more money, with no responsibility.

Really... how are they subsidized? The excise tax is what, $0.75 a gallon... profit to the oil companies far less than $0.10 a gallon.. The Government does exactly what for find, produce and sell that oil?. and the oil company is the bad guy? That's like Calling the Mafia a legitimate insurance company.

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Originally Posted by talaniman
What's wrong with power, and oil, and drug companies actually investing in clean, safe, effective technology? What's wrong with clean, air and water?

You too? Why do you and ex think we don't want clean air and water? That's one of the silliest straw men I've ever seen. Who doesn't want clean air and water?
You ain't gonna get it by wanting it, you better make sure they do it. Learned nothing in Alaska and the Gulf did ya! Ask the gulls that they still are cleaning up. You want clean air and clean water, then DEMAND it, not just talk about it.
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For the taxes they pay, big business should guarantee safe and efficient medicines, and drugs, and power. Until then I suggest you police them, rather than trust them for doing the right thing.

Why trust the government to look out for my best interests? Why ban something that's been used safely and effectively for asthma sufferers for decades that will likely have zero impact in carbon emissions? It's just plain stupid.
They used asbestos, and lead paint, for years too, guess how that worked out. Go with the new stuff. It might not effect the ozone, but could help your lungs. What are you stuck in the last century? You don't have to trust government, but you don't have to trust big pharma either.

Trust but VERIFY!!!!

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Exxon hasn't cleaned up Alaska yet. Nor BP the Gulf. Until they do, I wouldn't give a rats patoot what they have to spend to protect us from their products. What they spend in lobbyist, and campaign contributions, can be used to pay for as many Environmental police as we need.

How's that for an offset. Sounds fair to me.

Ain't going to happen, you and I will pay for those 230,000 new bureaucrats. And did I mention Obama's own EPA said the rules are "absurd" and “impossible to administer”? Why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?
Tell congress to make it so. Duh, make 'em pay for clean up, instead of YOU!!! That is your money too, ya know. What you are really saying is that we can't make them pay for their mistakes and its okay if they buy and use the congress you voted for to work for YOU, to work for them. Thats whats absurd!!!!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah that half a bil to Solyndra Inc really worked out.

One investment out of 144? Bush thought it was a great idea, so did Wall Street.

What The Press Is Getting Wrong About Solyndra | Media Matters for America

Chinese and U.S. Politics and the Solyndra Bankruptcy | Renewable Energy News Article

Five myths about the Solyndra collapse - The Washington Post

http://olddogg.com/politics/3-facts-...out-solyndra-1

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Really....how are they subsidized? The excise tax is what, $0.75 a gallon....profit to the oil companies far less than $0.10 a gallon..The Government does exactly what fo find, produce and sell that oil?..and the oil company is the bad guy? Thats like Calling the Mafia a legitimate insurance company.

Its more like insurance companies are legitimate criminal organizations. Premiums gone up for you lately??

Tal, I have clean air and water. The question remains, why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?

You have clean water good for you, and wonder what you tell someone in the gulf who can't fish anymore? You should count yourself lucky and instead of taking someone else word for what is absurd, get the facts, as one person absurdity, may be another's reality.

To not recognize, or acknowledge the needs of another, is what's absurd, don't you think? As I read your link, it was obvious they were pushing for something that was needed, but absurd to think it could happen in the current climate of conflict.

The president who visited 57 states can't find Colorado on his jobs tour. He sent everyone to Wyoming instead.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im...larg.badge.jpg

I reckon that's what you get out of our liberal education system, people running the country who don't know anything about it.

Tal, as if I'm opposed to BP cleaning up their mess? No, and I'm only taking the word of the very agency tasked with enforcing those "absurd" and "impossible" rules. What, I shouldn't take trust the government to be right any more? I wish you'd make up your mind today.

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These new regulatory efforts are not likely to succeed, the EPA admits, but it has decided to move forward regardless. “While EPA acknowledges that come 2016, the administrative burdens may still be so great that compliance … may still be absurd or impossible to administer at that time, that does not mean that the Agency is not moving toward the statutory thresholds,” the EPA wrote in a September 16 court briefing.

Read more: 230,000 Employees | Green House Gas | Clean Air Act | The Daily Caller

It's a big job, and they might not be able to do it all is what I read. Not that the regulations and standards they are pushing for are absurd!!

Just because I had a heart breaking loss to Tom, Sunday, doesn't mean I lost my edge when it comes to comprehension of facts, and logic. But I am grumpy about it. :( :o

Good thing I'm crushing y'all in baseball because so far this year my football teams generally suck.

Teams!! :eek::confused: Only a few days left in Baseball, thank Gosh!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Teams!!!!:eek::confused: Only a few days left in Baseball, thank Gosh!!!:mad:

Yes, teams. I don't have the allowable limits though, you can have 10 teams on ESPN alone (I don't). Did you miss where me, tom and Spit have been playing each other for a few years now in another league? I'm 1-0 against tom in that one, 0-2 after that. In fact Spit just crushed me this week... I think he's paying me back for the last couple of years.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!

I can't wait for next spring, man have I been missing some fun.

And how 'bout them Cowboys? Romo has earned some respect these last two weeks.

Tell me does baseball and footbal create jobs because if they do there should be no unemployment by now.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Tell me does baseball and footbal create jobs because if they do there should be no unemployment by now.

Funny you should say that, just yesterday California governor Jerry Brown signed a bill to help get a new NFL stadium built in LA for the team they don't yet have, to "get people working".

Even in my small county there is a professional team in an independent league. There was a bit of a controversy about the public /private funding used to get the ball rolling and I generally agree with the critics as I think team owners should build their own stadiums like the Cowboys did. But I believe overall it will be an economic plus for the town .
Ball players were hired.. They need a place to live so they rent .It provided some jobs for students during the summer ,and provided a place for me and others to part with some entertainment dollars.

Steve ,Romo has always had my respect for toughness ,leadership ,and skill. I have questions about his judgement ,and playing with a punctured lung does not change that opinion... it confirms it.

So to make the pun, it's the only game in town

I miss ex... I gues this is a preview of things to come.

Do you know something I don't ? Ex is still making moves on the baseball league and contributed here 2 days ago.

Look under his name where it used to say Expert. Can't say any more.

Well that doesn't sound good.

One week.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Steve ,Romo has always had my respect for toughness ,leadership ,and skill. I have questions about his judgement ,and playing with a punctured lung does not change that opinion ...it confirms it.

Supposedly the lung puncture healed before he played Monday, but I'm still undecided on whether he can take it to the next level. Obviously not with the receivers he had Monday and a center that keeps hiking the ball early and off target.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

one week.

Ah, well he'll make up for that. Meanwhile we have you to stir the pot. :D

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

look under his name where it used to say Expert. can't say any more.

When did that happen? I just talked with him Via PM last week. What did I miss since then?

Ridiculous... what is this Jr High School ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

rediculous ...what is this Jr High School ?

What, you haven't received an "infraction" yet? I imagine I'll be the next to get suspended for not holding my tongue.

Actually the city of Arlington, and jerry Jones built the new stadium, and the highway, and road improvements for traffic and the small shops and businesses are growing for sure because of it. That was after Dallas baulked at the costs. That was a bit sad, but the stadium is part of the Rangers complex, and there is always an activity besides football going on as well as college, and high school games.

No telling how much revenue is tied up in contracts for maintenance and up keep, especially during the season, and the vendors and providers, and my gosh the parking!!

During the Super Bowl, every shop, church, and business was selling parking places, and shuttling people all day long for the game. Its big bucks for sure during a down economy, and I can see where the owners want to not only make the bucks a new stadium brings, but also not share some of the profits, hence the strike threat by the players. Glad that's over.

Ex is a good dude and I think he is busy, but will be around. I know what you mean Steve, about being deleted and threads closed LOL, been down that street a few times myself. And Miles Austin will be back Sunday... I hope. Him, Dez, and Whiten at the same time should help Romo against the Lions.

But we better start arguing again on subject or this one will get closed... AGAIN :eek:

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Ex is a good dude and I think he is busy, but will be around.

Yes he's a good dude but he would very much like to be around but he's not allowed to.

What!! :eek: :confused:

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Originally Posted by talaniman

During the Super Bowl, every shop, church, and business was selling parking places, and shuttling people all day long for the game...

I missed that madhouse but I remember several times parking in some dude's back yard to go the state fair.

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Ex is a good dude and I think he is busy, but will be around. I know what you mean Steve, about being deleted and threads closed LOL, been down that street a few times myself. And Miles Austin will be back Sunday... I hope. Him, Dez, and Whiten at the same time should help Romo against the Lions.

He can always take it on us on the league message board. I love some good smack talk. I hope Austin returns and Dez gets that gimpy leg going, they're killing my fantasy season.

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But we better start arguing again on subject or this one will get closed... AGAIN :eek:

Ok...

Energy Department approves $1 billion in solar energy loan guarantees

Maybe they can give the ex-Solyndra employees a job until they go belly up.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :confused:

Obviously he's been suspended by the principle.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

One investment out of 144? Bush thought it was a great idea, so did Wall Street.

What The Press Is Getting Wrong About Solyndra | Media Matters for America

Chinese and U.S. Politics and the Solyndra Bankruptcy | Renewable Energy News Article

Five myths about the Solyndra collapse - The Washington Post

http://olddogg.com/politics/3-facts-...out-solyndra-1

They are going to frog march the executives eventually .

But the larger point is government chosing winners and losers. They did it with Solyndra when clearly there were better solar energy companies that don't do things like invest government money on spa showers for their top brass. They did it with Government Motors ,who can't sell their electric car in the US market .

But not to worry... The Obots have a plan. Now
Government Motors is going to partner with the Chinese ( export jobs and taxpayer funded technology ) .Eventually the plan will be to build ALL Volts in China even if there eventually is a US market for the pig. (yes it's a pig... it costs $41,000 and what few sales they have had is because the government chips in your tax dollars to the tune of $7,500 in rebates ) .And of course the Chinese demand that if you do business in China you have to surrender to them your propriatary technology to them .

In this case GM's partner is the Shanghai Automotive Industrial Corporation (SAIC) which has already "partnered " with GM before they lifted the technology and began selling their own brand of auto in the Chinese market.

They even are getting another Obama crony involved... Govenment Electric . In return for buying the Volt for their Chinese operations ,GE will partner with GM to create a pilot program to build "charging stations" in China.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

And of course the Chinese demand that if you do business in China you have to surrender to them your propriatary technology to them .

Holy crap, I didn't know about that but it seems to be true. It's not policy just yet and GM is fighting it: Chevy Volt's eligibility for Chinese buyer incentives hangs in the balance
Looks like Ford has doing the same thing in China as well for years.

It goes further than that. They have a virtual monopoly on the rare earth raw materials and are more and more insisting that instead of exporting it;that companies open up manufacturing there ;where the same terms apply about 'technology sharing ' .
China?s Rare Earth Metal Monopoly Pays Off | Economy In Crisis

Of course much of their monopoly is in occupied lands like Mongolia. And of course there is no need for them to have such a monopoly except that nations that also have an abundance of rare earth metals will not permit the mining of them.

That latest government investment in solar energy to the tune of $737 million to create 45 jobs I mentioned? Some interesting beneficiaries there. Ron Pelosi, brother-in-law of Nancy Pelosi, is the executive director of one of the investment partners, Pacific Corporate Group.

What a coincidence.