Ask Me Help Desk - Wikki leaked again.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

What you just told me is that you favor less transparency ....not the type of transparency that you have been applauding with these leaks. Anyone who can read through open source information could piece together the things that have made the headlines.

Hello again, tom:

I HATE the word, "transparency", just like I HATE the words, "going forward". Those are PC words that DON'T say anything...

There are things that a nation needs to keep SECRET. Then there are things that a leader keeps SECRET that are simply EMBARRASSING to him. They are NOT the same things. I'm all FOR keeping your lips sealed about one, and I'm all FOR revealing everything about the other.

I suggest the leaks DID reveal new things. Nonetheless, you CONFIRM above, the laziness of our current "lame stream media". As you point out, IF they had done their jobs, they COULD have pieced these stories together and REPORTED them... They DIDN'T. They were too busy attending beltway cocktail parties rubbing elbows with the people they were supposed to be reporting on... That's why Assange did us a service.

excon

It is not the role of the press to dump raw documents into the public domain.That's lazy irresponsible journalism of the highest degree.

Of course ,Assange only being competent in the transfer of raw data can hardly be called a journalist. We do more legitimate journalism in our discussions.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

We do more legitimate journalism in our discussions.

Hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah!!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

It is not the role of the press to dump raw documents into the public domain.That's lazy irresponsible journalism of the highest degree.

Hello again, tom:

I'm not as hung up about labels as you are.. I don't care IF Assange is a journalist, a rapist, or a hacker. HE is not the point. The point IS the American public. Whomever winds up being the bad guy here, WE, as American citizens are better informed. THAT is what the First Amendment is designed to accomplish, and Wikkileaks fulfilled it perfectly.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah!!!!!!

Well most of us anyway . Above is a comment that is not designed to further the discussion

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Originally Posted by tomder55

well most of us anyway . Above is a comment that is not designed to further the discussion

That's your standard response all right.

But Obama is the Messiah... and Assange isn't yet in custody because Obama and his flunky appointees are so incompetent they couldn't find someone in the UK... that probibly has a phone, credit cards and a lot of other stuff in his own name there...

Much less find someone running around in the Tribal areas of Pakistan where not only do the have a typical 7th century mindset like most Muslims have... they actually live like they did in the 7th century for the most part.

Releasing classified documents is a crime... Heck, simply possessing them without actually having a need to know is a crime.

Want to release stuff legally? That's what the Freedom of information act is for...

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Originally Posted by smoothy

But Obama is the Messiah.

So you keep telling us.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So you keep telling us.

And so an ever decreasing number of you (real liberals) keep treating him.

I have no idea what the heck that means.
BTW I'm not a liberal. I voted conservative last election.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I have no idea what the heck that means.
BTW I'm not a liberal. I voted conservative last election.

You and a LOT of other independents and Democrats that once actually fell for the BS that con-artist spewed 2 years ago. But have wised up since.

Not sure about that but you keep thinking he's some kind of god... weird.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Not sure about that but you keep thinking he's some kind of god...weird.

Antichrist maybe... god? Not a chance and never did.. I knew he was a con artist from the beginning... Its the Dems that did essentually anything he asked... when he asked for it for 2 years.

It cost them BIG in this election as a result. Wasn't the Republicans that built him a MT Olympus in Colorado at the mile high stadium (re,eber from Greek Mythology what Mt Olympus was)... The hard left is who has control of the Democrat party... and Obama is HARD, HARD left.

John F Kennedy is probibly spinning in his grave right now. Today's Democrat party is NOT anything Kennedy would have liked or even supported.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Antichrist maybe... god? Not a chance and never did.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2623249-post127.html

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But Obama is the Messiah

You're the only here that says that, and you say it often.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The hard left is who has control of the Democrat party....and Obama is HARD, HARD left.

Hello again, smoothy:

Nope. Missed it again... How can one guy be so consistently wrong??

Obama is a centrist. I'm the left. I'm pissed because he isn't left enough. He promised that there would be a public option. There wasn't... He promised to investigate Bush. He didn't. He promised to release photographs of how we tortured people. He didn't. He promised that he would let the tax cuts for the rich expire. He's not. He promised to close Gitmo. It's still open. He promised to end DADT. He didn't.

THAT'S why the left is pissed at him.

excon

Assange was arrested today for rape . Trumped up ? I don't think so . The guy is a creep . He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Assange was arrested today for rape . Trumped up ? I don't think so . The guy is a creep . He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

Have you ever had sex with a woman without using a condom?

I suppose that is his version of it. The misogynist left of course is quick to blame the rape victim. But the charges of "one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape" appear to be a bit more than sex without a condom . Swedish courts have concluded that there are suffictient reasons to charge him ;but because he is taking on the US ,obviosuly the
Swedes are acting as US stooges. Uh huh

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Originally Posted by tomder55

He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

Hello again tom:

You invoke the age old corrupt, right wing ideology called transference. He does this, so of course, he'd do that. Mattingly is gay, so of course, he's a crook. Or in HIS case, he's a crook, so of course, he's gay.

I smoke pot. I defy law. That doesn't give me license to sexually abuse people.

excon

Yeah... by his own admission he is much worse than a rapist .
He admits that his releases during the Kenyan elections resulted in 1300 deaths .
He justifies it by saying :
“On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...ks-afghanistan

This latest batch of releases contained information about vital assets the government believes must be protected from terrorist attack.

Now he is threatening to release what he calls a "poison pill" which would include unredacted names of informants ,native translators in the war zones, and agents inside enemy networks.

He is conducting cyberwarfare and his sites and networks should be treated as such .

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Nope. Missed it again... How can one guy be so consistently wrong???

Obama is a centrist. I'm the left. I'm pissed because he isn't left enough. He promised that there would be a public option. There wasn't... He promised to investigate Bush. He didn't. He promised to release photographs of how we tortured people. He didn't. He promised that he would let the tax cuts for the rich expire. He's not. He promised to close Gitmo. It's still open. He promised to end DADT. He didn't.

THAT'S why the left is pissed at him.

excon

Obama isn't even in the Center of his own universe... much less Anyone's definition of the Political spectrum... except to someone else with an equally far left opinion.

Incidentally... Assage also proved YOU and the other liberals wrong about the Claims YOU have been making about the WMD in Iraq. THey were in fact proven and they were moved to Syria...

http://www.examiner.com/manhattan-co...-were-wmd-iraq

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Assange was arrested today for rape . Trumped up ? I don't think so . The guy is a creep . He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

Happened to see that happened on one of the Screens in Times Square yesterday... all I thought was Woot! Woot! The wheels are finally turning.

Hello again,

I'm wondering what the wingers, who argued how terrible the strong arm tactics used by the government against BP were, have to say about the strong arm tactics used by the government against Wikkileaks...

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Assage also proved YOU and the other liberals wrong about the Claims YOU have been making about the WMD in Iraq. THey were in fact proven and they were moved to Syria...

Hello again, smoothy:

Boy oh boy. Still batting 1.000. Always WRONG. I thought he HAD WMD'S. Why wouldn't I think so? Where did I say that I thought otherwise? In fact, there weren't ANY liberals that I know of claiming he had NO WMD'S. But, once they weren't found, liberals, LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD, began to doubt the stories.

Now on to the article you linked me to. I didn't read ANYTHING about the WMD's being moved to Syria - not a bleeping word. Mee theenks you made that up too! What I DID read was this:

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in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

Now, I don't know know about you, but since this was discovered in 2004, I'd call the cache an INSURGENT cache of weapons instead of Saddam's... But, that's just me.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Boy oh boy. Still batting 1.000. Always WRONG. I thought he HAD WMD'S. Why wouldn't I think so? Where did I say that I thought otherwise? In fact, there weren't ANY liberals that I know of claiming he had NO WMD'S. But, once they weren't found, liberals, LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD, began to doubt the stories.

Now on to the article you linked me to. I didn't read ANYTHING about the WMD's being moved to Syria - not a bleeping word. Mee theenks you made that up too! What I DID read was this:
Now, I dunno know about you, but since this was discovered in 2004, I'd call the cache an INSURGENT cache of weapons instead of Saddam's.... But, that's just me.

excon

Um... wasn't ANY liberals claiming Iraq had no WMD's.

Selective amnesia we having today... how about all the lefty Lefty Mantra about Bush "Lieing" the last how many YEARS now? THat WAS the left doing it... and were still doing it very recently.

Try and read it again... in that release were documents proving WMD's being transferred to Syria the laft claimed never existed...

THen there was a several Hundred tons of Yellowcake Uranium transferred to Canada from Iraq. But then, the left thinks you can buy that at Costco and Sams Club. But that was released and ignored by the drive by media a while back.

After all... do you believe there was a real conspirocy to Kill JFK? And they didn't get the right guy. After all, that was never proven either...

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Originally Posted by smoothy

how about all the lefty Lefty Mantra about Bush "Lieing" the last how many YEARS now? THat WAS the left doing it....and were still doing it very recently..

Hello again, smoothy:

Wow. Still wrong. Your dates don't line up... The left, along with the REST OF THE WORLD, didn't start saying Bush lied, until it became clear that there were NO WMD's - NONE.

Now, I don't know if he lied, or if he was mislead. But, in the final analysis, it doesn't matter - the information was NOT TRUE. We invaded a sovereign nation based on BOGUS intelligence. It was a mistake of monumental proportions and it's been a colossal failure. Not only did we lose IRAQ, but that misadventure cost us the very winnable war in Afghanistan too. Plus, the only nation that got STRENGTHENED in this whole sordid affair, is IRAN. Oh, and did I mention that Osama Bin Laden is still alive?

Get your facts together.

excon

I will provide the President's address to the UN prior to the war to prove that WMD was but one of the major reasons for the invasion.
George W. Bush, Address to the U.N.—September 12, 2002

Maybe Wikileaks has the information or not. I suspect that Assange has done some 'cherry picking ' of intel himself to satisfy his own preconceived ends.I'm sure within his cache there must be some analysis of Saddam's Airforce Commander General Sada who is very public in his contention that the bulk of Iraqi WMD arsenal was transferred to Syria.How is it that documents detailing when Evita takes a cr@p is released but no analysis of General Sada's contentions ?

But even with Assange's careful vetting ,some information about the Iraqi WMD program was released in the doc dump.As has been stated already , US military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs,and encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins.

The dump reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the country.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I will provide the President's address to the UN prior to the war to prove that WMD was but one of the major reasons for the invasion.

Hello again, tom:

Yes, but WITHOUT that as a reason, we WOULDN'T have invaded. And, we found NONE. A world wide consensus agrees. Yes, there's a few diehards - people who think removing Saddam was reason enough to invade a sovereign nation that posed NO threat to us whatsoever...

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Yes, but WITHOUT that as a reason, we WOULDN'T have invaded. And, we found NONE. A world wide consensus agrees. Yes, there's a few diehards - people who think removing Saddam was reason enough to invade a sovereign nation that posed NO threat to us whatsoever...

excon

We had plenty... a decade worth of cease fire agreement violations.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Wow. Still wrong. Your dates don't line up... The left, along with the REST OF THE WORLD, didn't start saying Bush lied, until it became clear that there were NO WMD's - NONE.

Now, I dunno if he lied, or if he was mislead. But, in the final analysis, it doesn't matter - the information was NOT TRUE. We invaded a sovereign nation based on BOGUS intelligence. It was a mistake of monumental proportions and it's been a colossal failure. Not only did we lose IRAQ, but that misadventure cost us the very winnable war in Afghanistan too. Plus, the only nation that got STRENGTHENED in this whole sordid affair, is IRAN. Oh, and did I mention that Osama Bin Laden is still alive?

Get your facts together.

excon

So.. Essentually every liberal in the government... and the world sees EXACTLY the same evidence that Bush saw and came to the same conclusion... and they get a free pass because they DID see the same security briefings? But Bush doesn't because the left just can't stand a man with the balls to say what he thinks and believes... vs liberals who can't decide what color pants to wear without taking a poll...

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Originally Posted by smoothy

and they get a free pass because they DID see the exact same security briefings? But Bush doesn't

Hello again, smoothy:

THEY didn't send us to war... Bush did. Dude!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

THEY didn't send us to war.... Bush did. Dude!

excon

Lol I guess a 4 day bombing campaign using 300 combat aircraft flying 650 combat sortes ,and launching 350 Tomahawk missiles from 10 US warships, against military and civilian targets is not war... I guess deploying hundreds of special ops "boots on the ground" as well as deploying thousands of troops on the Kuwait border is not war :rolleyes:

I guess flying 24/7 sortees over Iraq for a decade and engaging both Iraqi Air Force and ground anti-aircraft installations,often destroying them is not war. :confused:

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

THEY didn't send us to war.... Bush did. Dude!

excon

Really Just Like Obama then... He sent a whole bunch of extra troops into Afghanistan where according to your fellow Democrats... nobody was really threatening us.

Come on... thats a VERY weak argument at best... After all, It was Saddam who invaded Kuait... and threatened Saudi Arabia... THATS when the war started. And I saw that entire war up to the Cease fire in ways only a handfull of others have. There was cease fire Saddam was constantly breaking when W was elected to office... You are aware of what a Cease fire is, aren't you?

You know... there is one in Korea too.

If the US makes an extradition attempt on Assange it will be on charges of conspiracy in the theft of US documents and not because of espionage .The reason he fled to England is because the Brits are very slow to extradite in these cases . Sweden however would cooperate because in their view is that theft is not a "political crime".

The way this went down wasn't just a matter of pfc Manning downloading and sending them off to Wikileaks . Manning was recruited by Assange to steal the documents off the US database.

Prior to the thefts there is evidence of communication between Assange and Manning and an overt act in support of the conspiracy before the acts took place. Manning bragged to a pen pal;online hacker Adrian Lamo, about his contact with Assange.In the email Manning revealed that Assange provided special software for the thefts that enabled him to upload the docs. Faster... and also bumped Manning up to the top of the Q ahead of all other Wikileak contributors. . This happened before Manning provided any docs to Assange. Lamo shared this knowledge with authorities.

Manning downloaded a single doc about Iceland first to test Assange .Assange published it proving to Manning that Assange was not a sting operation.
Government documents secret or otherwise is a commodity.The government has property rights .

Assange got wikileaked.

10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Julian Assange
Unseen police documents provide the first complete account of the allegations against the WikiLeaks founder

Hello again, Steve:

His conditions of release are to wear an ankle bracelet and steel reinforced condoms..

excon

He is outarged that his records have become part of the public record.

Finally there was an earth shattering leak.. turns out that Michael Moore's book 'Sicko' was banned in Cuba because it painted such a "mythically" favourable picture of Cuba's healthcare system that the authorities feared it could lead to a "popular backlash".

Moore now claims that the State Dept 'made up ' the story . But if they had ,why wouldn't they have made that publicly available ? What would be the purpose of making the claim and then keeping it secret ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

He is outarged that his records have become part of the public record.

He is outraged because, like most of the thinking world, it's becoming plainly obvious that the charges are trumped up.

No way... He forced himself on one of the women and tampered with the condom with the other. They both asked him to take an AIDs test and he refused.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

No way ... He forced himself on one of the women and tampered with the condom with the other. They both asked him to take an AIDs test and he refused.

You were there?

:rolleyes: