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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Not much.. But, that only proves he's more right wing than left.

excon

He has two directions... left and more left.

I'm not claiming Republicans are perfect... they aren't.

But this idiot is bound and determined to cause another Civil war... by stealing from the productive members of society to give it to the lazy portion of society... for no other reason than to buy votes.

Because its clear... he's crossed a line that should never be crossed... look at the threats that are coming in to so many people from so many people... people that work for a living being tired of being told THEY have to support housing project dwellers who think they are too good to break a sweat earning a dollar.

They are beyond upset... and yeah... I will agree they should NOT be making actual threats , but should be expressing their extreme dislike of the left figuratively putting a gun to our heads and stealing our money. THreats are not protected speech... expressing your dislike, distrusts... and contempt for someone who arrogantly ignores the majority IS protected speech.

I was always a believer in do what you have to do... but you don't advertise you are going to do it first. But yeah, you can express your displeasure freely. Its our right to do that.

And most of the Democrat do what he tells them to do... knowing it will likely cost them the next election. Which makes me wonder exactly WHAT threats they are using, to make them do what they know their constituents DON'T want that WILL cost them their jobs in many cases.

You do remember FIlegate... and How Hillary Clinton somehow managed to stay out of jail with all the laws that were broke there including contempt of court for hiding files and claiming she did know where they were... when they were in the Whitehouse Bedroom the whole time.

Just because charges aren't filed... doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed... if you know the right people... you get away with murder. AKA Vincent Foster. (just a disclaimer... Obama had nothing to do with Filegate or Vincent Fosters Murder)

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Originally Posted by galveston

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Gal, you seem to sink lower every time you post.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

gal, you seem to sink lower every time you post.

I merely report what has been seen, and I'm a baaaad boy!

Otherwise,

When did Obama tell the truth?

Betcha you can't name any.

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Says it all... :D

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Originally Posted by smoothy

says it all.....:d

No!

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

no!

If you aren't yet, you will be... your taxes WILL be going up this year... to fund this unconstitutional monstrosity.

Obama and the democrats make the stereotypical drunken sailor look fiscally responsible.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

no!

Don't feed the troll.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Says it all.....:D

Hello again, smoothy:

Then you DO support the ruination of the Constitution that occurred under Bush. I documented every single time when your boy did it, and I didn't hear a peep out of you. Now, you have the balls to make accusations about Obama. Dude!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Then you DO support the ruination of the Constitution that occurred under Bush. I documented every single time when your boy did it, and I didn't hear a peep out of you. Now, you have the balls to make accusations about Obama. Dude!

excon

So... YOu actully WANT to give terrorists rights? Exactly where in the constitution are non-americans who are killing americans given ANY rights?

Exactly where in the constitution are ANYONE who are not americans and not in the USA given any rights?

I can't find the part where foreign terrorists have a right to privacy, or the right to kill Americans unimpeaded.

And NOTHING Bush did was even 10% as bad as what bobobama has done so far...

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Don't feed the troll.

The Troll is in the Whitehouse...

And contrary to what the left believes... he deserves NO more respect than was given to Bush by the left.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

So......YOu actully WANT to give terrorists rights?

Hello again, smoothy:

Here's the part you tea baggers don't understand, even though you said the words. The Constitution isn't a guide line. It's the LAW. So, it's not a matter of what I want or what you want. It's a matter of what the Constitution DEMANDS.

Like I said earlier. You have YOUR view of what the Constitution says, and I have MINE. They ain't the same. They ain't even close.

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If you aren't yet, you will be.....your taxes WILL be going up this year....

If they don't, will you apologize?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Here's the part you tea baggers don't understand, even though you said the words. The Constitution isn't a guide line. It's the LAW. So, it's not a matter of what I want or what you want. It's a matter of what the Constitution DEMANDS.

Like I said earlier. You have YOUR view of what the Constitution says, and I have MINE. They ain't the same. They ain't even close.

excon

You worry about evesdroppiing on terrorists overseas... but you WANT to hand your medical records and control over what you can and can't get for treatment to the Government? Do you not see the problem with your argument here? WHat is more private than your personal medical history... far more than anything you will say over a phone I'll tell you. And incidentally... if you are talking with terrorists... then you should be listened to.

Exactly where in the constitution does #1, they Federal Government have that power... and contrary to what you beielve... the powers that the Federal government are limited to certain things... and everything else is reserved for the states... THAT is clearly spelled out.

Nowhere is the privacy of terrorists to plan terrorist acts from overseas free from the US government evesdropping.

There is you no believe what's in it ot not... its written in plain english... not legaleeze. And its really clear...

And incidentally... the Fifth amendment does not apply for foreign terrorists committing what they cionsider an act of war... particularly on foreign soil.

You have to be American and do it on American soil... Are you subject or expect to be extradited to North Korea because you violate THEIR law of offending the Dear Leader by calling him a meglomanic pipsqueak with a puffy hairdo? Because that gate swings both ways...

Not sure about a tax increase this year. But there are targeted increases that do go into effect in 2011 ;and many of them affect the people the President pledged would not have tax increases (anyone under $200,000 income)

Have not had a chance to look totally into it but a quick search reveals that Americans will no longer be able to use pre-tax dollars from health savings accounts ,flexible spending accounts ,or health reimbursements accounts to buy OTC non-prescription medicines.
The new law increases the tax from 10 %to 20 % for non-medical early withdrawals from a health savings account for those under the age of 65.
Many small business people with incomes under $200,000 will be hard hit by the mandates . I call that a tax increase if you don't .The Social Security cap will be gone so that is another tax increase.The deductability of medical expenses kicks in at 10% under the new law instead of the current 7.5%
Taxes on drug and medical device mfg will be passed on to the consumer so that is an additional indirect tax.
That's a heck of a lot of tax increases for a bill that the President said (at the signing ceremony) “And this represents the largest middle-class tax cut for health care in our history.”

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You worry about evesdroppiing on terrorists overseas.....

Hello again, smoothy:

You are misinformed. The NSA listens to ALL of our phone calls and reads ALL of our emails. FISA was violated at EVERY step. It's been ADMITTED to by the Bush administration.

But, this sounds like the birth certificate argument all over again. You're not going to believe MY information, any more than I believe the swill you learned on FOX. Let's just leave it at that.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

You are misinformed. The NSA listens to ALL of our phone calls and reads ALL of our emails. FISA was violated at EVERY step. It's been ADMITTED to by the Bush administration.

But, this sounds like the birth certificate argument all over again. You're not gonna believe MY information, any more than I believe the swill you learned on FOX. Let's just leave it at that.

excon

Really... incidently THAT started under Clinton... and do you really have a clue about how that system works? What id does, can, and can't do? Seriously, do you? And that is more private than yours amd everyone's medical records exactly how? Because you won't and CAN'T get those sorts of details on any phone call.

Man we get a hell of a laugh when the left starts rattling off about that... Like a Drum Major trying to explain Neurosurgery...

I really want to hear this...

Because I can guarantee you that I know 1,000 Percent more than you do on that topic or any of the half-wit left wing journalists that don't know the difference between a DACS and a PBX... you are talking about a job field I've been doing for decades.

Do I know everything there is to know in the field... no. Nobody does. But this is a field I've been involved in from one aspect or other for 30 years now, in different capacities in differing jobs. And to do my job you need many years of direct experience... you can't teach a newbie this job... not at this level.

Nothing personal... but this is like arguing medical stuff with J-9. This is our bread and butter.

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Originally Posted by excon

You are misinformed. The NSA listens to ALL of our phone calls and reads ALL of our emails. FISA was violated at EVERY step. It's been ADMITTED to by the Bush administration.

Why do you keep harping on this, Ex. It's only been going on since shortly after Bell invented the telephone. Even George Carlin talked about wiretapping in '72. Amazon.com: Class Clown: George Carlin: Music

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Originally Posted by smoothy

do you really have a clue about how that system works? What id does, can, and can't do? Seriously, do you?

Hello again, smoothy:

Uhhh, yes.

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

If they don't, will you apologize?

They already said they will... do you still believe nobody making less than $250K will pay a dime extra. Even Obama doesn't stand behind that comment.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Uhhh, yes.

excon

Really... care to elaborate a bit... rather than the propaganda you saw on a PBS special.

Which was half truths and paranoia along with a heavy dose of pure BS of how the Telecom infrastructure actually is set up with NO specifics to anyone that knows anyting about the field.

Because I can tell every single piece of equipment on a circuit between Hoboken NJ and Timbuktu, the ENTIRE way... change its settings or shut it down. As long as I know specifics about a particular segment.

Obviously not EVERY one of the bearers... but maybe 50% of what exists in the USA, and 100% of what certain carriers have.

I do this stuff every day... finding and fixing problems that can be anywhere in the world, or isolating it to a specific area and referring it out to a tech local to the problem. Even if its in another Country.

I think some of those people so paranoid need to break out the alluminum foil and make hats so their thoughts can't be scanned too.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Really.........care to elaborate a bit.....rather than the propaganda you saw on a PBS special.

Hello again, smoothy:

Instead, let's approach it from this direction. Given your background, would you say that it's technically feasible for the government to intercept ALL our phone calls and ALL our emails?

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Because I can tell every single piece of equipment on a circuit between Hoboken NJ and Timbuktu, the ENTIRE way

My father worked for telco all his life and I worked in cableco for a while and now I'm pretty handy with the internet and the IP protocol; I'd like to hear this equipment listing - go!

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Instead, let's approach it from this direction. Given your background, would you say that it's technically feasable for the government to intercept ALL our phone calls and ALL our emails?

excon

You need to be far more specific than that... there is a big difference between knowing whom everyone called... and knowing what everyone was saying.

And opposite answers to both.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

My father worked for telco all his life and I worked in cableco for a while and now I'm pretty handy with the internet and the IP protocol; I'd like to hear this equipment listing - go!

He might have a clue... but you don't understand it... based on how you phrased that question.

But I can give you a computer analogy... its far from being equal... but do a complete traceroute from one computer and another anyplace. Its actually far more complex than that, but it is a simplified analogy. THere is far more equipment involved than just Routers between say the east coast and west coast. Repeaters, switches, DACS... On various Trunks and Bearers. But its something you should be able to relate to. Now all of tha tequipment is far more complex and configuration specific than any of those routers are... but that should let you begin to visualise it at a leavel that won't be confusing.

Think a transoceanic Cable is copper? And like a really long extension cord? THink again... Its fiber... there is copper to provide power for the required repeaters along the way...

I didn't even phrase a question, I just wanted you to name the things you said you could name. You're going to have to be careful about assuming people are ignorant, that could come back to haunt you.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I didn't even phrase a question, I just wanted you to go ahead and name the things you said you could name. You're going to have to be careful about assuming people are ignorant, that could come back to haunt you.

That's something others here need to remember, yourself included. I've spent a lot of time over the years in places I can't repeat. Seen things I can't repeat... worked with people I can't repeat.

And I see people all the time making impossible claims when I have been there and saw it and reality was far different than they claimed.

Take it as you wish... I could care less. I don't have a pathological need to convince anyone of anything. I've seen too many people that think they know everything when all they have is a snippet on a topic, and they don't fathom what they don't know. Most of them tend to be very young and lack the experience to know how little they really know because they can't see how much there really might be to know on any specific thing.

At the end of the day... they have only BS'd themselves.

And to be honest... "The phrase Ignorance is Bliss" you will understand after you've seen enough things you whish you never saw.

I'd be a far happier person if I had never left my home town... and never saw anything other than what the main stream media portays as news.

And this may be a shock to you... most of that was before FOX news even existed and before I was a registered republican.

CNN presented pure BS during the first gulf war...

But you can never go back. Time is a one way street.

What's the issue again ? Oh yeah... eaves dropping on Americans talking to jihadists overseas.
If the allegation of broad eaves dropping is asserted then it would be up to the person making the claim to provide the source.

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If the allegation of broad eaves dropping is asserted then it would be up to the person making the claim to provide the source.

Hello tom:

This is the best I can do. It's what wikki says: "The exact scope of the program is not known, but the NSA is or was provided total, unsupervised access to all fiber-optic communications going between some of the nation's major telecommunication companies' major interconnect locations, including phone conversations, email, web browsing, and corporate private network traffic."

Now, I don't know about you, but if they have ALL of it, they're listening to ALL of it. Of course, you're free to believe that they're not... Like a good rightwinger, though, I don't trust the government. Do you?

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Think a transoceanic Cable is copper? and like a really long extension cord? THink again......Its fiber....there is copper to provide power for the required repeaters along the way....

Good job editing your answer after I posted my reply. You think I didn't know it was fiber?? Dude I sold point-to-point and frame relay, my brother worked in a CO. Do you really think you are smarter than everyone else?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I don't have a pathological need to convince anyone of anything.

But you're the one that posted: "Because I can tell every single piece of equipment on a circuit between Hoboken NJ and Timbuktu, the ENTIRE way....change its settings or shut it down." Why are you trying to convince us that you're some master expert when you "don't have a pathological need to convince anyone"?

As opposed to yourself I truly enjoyed traveling the world - perhaps that is part of our different viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

This is the best I can do. It's what wikki says: "The exact scope of the program is not known, but the NSA is or was provided total, unsupervised access to all fiber-optic communications going between some of the nation's major telecommunication companies' major interconnect locations, including phone conversations, email, web browsing, and corporate private network traffic."

Now, I dunno about you, but if they have ALL of it, they're listening to ALL of it. Of course, you're free to believe that they're not.... Like a good rightwinger, though, I don't trust the government. Do you?

excon

Lets just say... The Positronic computer still exists only on Star Trek.

If you understood the sheer volume of bandwidth that passes through just one major city you would fathom the absurdity of "They listen to everything everyone says" claims they make. Who will listen to all of these calls... figuring you need one person for every call, or even for a machine to do it do you fathom the computational; power and sizes to do this... NOT even factoring in storage space. Example... how many times have you had to repeat yourself on some automated voice system? Several times right... now factor in hundreds of millions of calls every day.

What I just said makes more sense if you're a techie type. For the none tech type... you can't park all of the cars in NYC in your garage at the same time.

It would take hundreds of thousands of the most powerful supercomputers today to accomplish that.

Yeah SOME people could be listened to... not even most... and no possible way all could be.

I'm not saying it won't be possible at some point. But we aren't there yet... not even close.

And anyway... Obama never stopped it... I'm not worried... I AM worried more about the Feds having my private medical records and history than overhearing a call or two I may make. Heck... there is usually at last one person within earshot any time I talk on the phone.

I've never been planning hitting anything or bumping anyone off. They'd be bored to tears listening to my phone calls.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If you understood the bandwidth that passes through just one major city you would fathom the absurdity of "They listen to everything everyone says" claims they make.

Hello again, smoothy:

Most times I choose my words very carefully. This time I was shoddy, and you caught me. Certainly, they don't LISTEN to every one. They mine the data for key words, and THEN they listen and/or read. THAT supposition is NOT absurd, is it?

Listening or mining is a distinction without a difference. Both of them are violations of yours and my Fourth Amendment rights.

excon

I have a good question... why is the partyt that was so anti-big brother making 1984 come true.

Why is the party who opposed a national ID, want to hand over everyone's medical records to the same people.

Why are the same people that loved to protest so much... turn into the people that make threats to those who protest against them?

The democrats sounda lot like a Bipolar disorder to me.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Most times I choose my words very carefully. This time I was shoddy, and you caught me. Certainly, they don't LISTEN to every one. They mine the data for key words, and THEN they listen and/or read. THAT supposition is NOT absurd, is it?

Listening or mining is a distinction without a difference. Both of them are violations of yours and my Fourth Amendment rights.

excon

A machine listening for key words "hears" nothing until those words are used. I do understand some things about voice recognition. But its not my field.

All they are is a "trigger". Get enough triggers and you might just get a breathing person listening eventually. But know what, you don't have a constitutional right to priveacy on the phone... otherwise courts would never issue wiretaps. Most states allow any ONE party to record the call without your knowledge or concent.

And foreign calls and foreigners are not covered under any expectations of privacy... legally.

I want to know WHY you worry so much about that since obviously you likely aren't planning a bank heist, or a coup. But think nothing about handing your private medical records over to PEOPLE who will use them for purposes other than what they should.

And there is no possible way who gets and who is refused care won't be politicised by the democrats...

Remember Filegate? This is Filegate on steroids.

You may not have meant "EVERY" (I'll take your word for it) but there ARE plenty of people that do believe that.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I have a good question.....why is the partyt that was so anti-big brother making 1984 come true.

The democrats sounda lot like a Bipolar disorder to me.

Hello again, smoothy:

I think we were just talking about the government listening to or mining ALL of your phone calls and ALL of your emails. I don't know about you, but that looks pretty big brother to me. Yes, it was brought about by RIGHT WINGERS.

You and I ain't on the same wavelength, when we're talking about big brother. We're not on the same planet.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I think we were just talking about the government listening to or mining ALL of your phone calls and ALL of your emails. I dunno about you, but that looks pretty big brother to me. Yes, it was brought about by RIGHT WINGERS.

You and I ain't on the same wavelength, when we're talking about big brother. We're not on the same planet.

excon

Again... this was taking place Under Bill Clinton... who last time I checked was ALWAYS a democrat.

Or is it OK if Democrats do it... and by the way.. Its happening Under Obama too. Another Democrat. That's TWO democrat presidends doing what ONE republican president did... but you ignore the two democrats to focus on the one Republican.

And News flash... you think other countries aren't doing it too? Well they are, and a whole lot more.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

But know what, you don't have a constitutional right to priveacy on the phone....otherwise courts would never issue wiretaps.

I want to know WHY you worry so much about that since obviously you likely aren't planning a bank heist, or a coup.

Hello again, smoothy:

The courts issue warrants to wire tap specifically because you DO have a constitutional right to privacy. You're not going to win constitutional arguments with me.

I'm NOT one of those people who believe that if I have nothing to hide, then I shouldn't mind a little government snooping... No, I'm not one of those people at all. I worry about EVERYBODY'S rights under the Constitution, because if I don't, the next person who looses rights might be ME, and then I couldn't say anything about it.

I'm not black, but I stood up for Brown v Board of Education. I'm not a woman, but I stood up for the Equal Rights Amendment. I'm not gay, but I support the right of gay people to be treated exactly like everybody else. I'm not a rightwinger, but I'll stand up for your rights too.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

The courts issue warrants to wire tap specifically because you DO have a constitutional right to privacy. You're not gonna win constitutional arguments with me.

I'm NOT one of those people who believe that if I have nothing to hide, then I shouldn't mind a little government snooping.... No, I'm not one of those people at all. I worry about EVERYBODY'S rights under the Constitution, because if I don't, the next person who looses rights might be ME, and then I couldn't say anything about it.

I'm not black, but I stood up for Brown v Board of Education. I'm not a woman, but I stood up for the Equal Rights Amendment. I'm not gay, but I support the right of gay people to be treated exactly like everybody else. I'm not a rightwinger, but I'll stand up for your rights too.

excon

So... then why are you fine with a politician determining if you will be allowed to have that bypass surgery, or the cancer Surgery... of have them (all non-medical staff) going through your medical records?

Having the interns having chuckles in the office about that anal fissure you had years ago, or (name anyting else embarrassing)... But you get upset if someone overhears you talking to the mechanic about your next oil change?

After All you can kiss the Dr. - Patient priveldge thing out the door when he has to had over all your records so the party can go through them.

What next... nationalise the legal system so they have the files of all defense lawyers to share with the prosecution? That is different how?

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Originally Posted by excon

you DO have a constitutional right to privacy.

Which Article?

What Section?

Maybe my copy got edited. I always thought the right to privacy was found to be "implied" in the Roe v. Wade decision.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

So......then why are you fine with a politician determining if you will be allowed to have that bypass surgery, or the cancer Surgery.....of have them (all non-medical staff) going through your medical records?

Having the interns having chuckles in the office about that anal fissure you had years ago, or (name anyting else embarrassing)...But you get upset if someone overhears you talking to the mechanic about your next oil change?

Smoothy one of my first jobs out of college was for an Insurance company. Everything you listed here they do. If the underwriter was having a bad day your claim was not getting approved. In the break room they would bring the most embarrassing claims and read them to the other employees. So my question is what is the difference if it is a government employee laughing at medical conditions or an employee of an insurance. There is no such thing as Dr-Patient confidentiality . It really is Dr-Insurance Company- Patient confidentiality.