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Originally Posted by talaniman

USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

I rest my case!

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Too bad Trump didn't have drop-in ballot boxes installed.

"Yet one relatively inexpensive countermeasure has not yet been widely used to smooth polling place voting, at least not yet, due to a mix of administrative hurdles and partisan obstruction. That remedy is drop boxes—akin to mailboxes—that can safely and securely accept and hold hundreds to several thousand ballot envelopes."
https://www.laprogressive.com/ballot-drop-boxes/

Why Trump ? States run elections . "We do think that states should be deploying more of these,” Arbitrarily allowing them is unconstitutional State legislatures have to set up uniform rules on the use of drop boxes .Instead they set up different rules and policies across the state, creating a patchwork system that violates equal protection. In Pennsylvania local election officials made the call on a district by district basis. Still there were massive delays in the Penn. primary even though Biden ran unopposed . In some cases ballots were delivered in envelopes that were not provided by the state for secrecy for the purpose of keeping the ballots anonymous[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] . Those were still counted . [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2016 Trump won Penn by 1 % about 44,000 votes and that state was one of the pivotal states in his victory . I can see a number of states being too close to call where hand counting mail in ballots will decide it . The States have to decide on electors in December and Congress has to certify the results in early January . Good luck with that if there is a reliance on counting mail in ballots ,recounts ,and the inevitable court challenges . [/FONT]

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Why Trump ?

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Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

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No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country. Repubs are always whining about fraud. That's why they support a lying cheating stealing big mouth bully. They've already plotted to close polling places in urban communities, and purge the voting rolls at record levels, while still looking for those millions of illegals that voted for HC.

it is not Governor's call State legislatures decide how the vote is taken .Congress can also set the terms on how a state can conduct a Presidential election.

I don't have as much confidence in drop boxes as you have . They are not monitored and are not secure ,especially in states where they are kept outdoors .

But that is still not the biggest issue with voting outside of the designated polling places where poll watchers at least monitor the election. Ballot harvesting has the biggest potential for fraud . Collecting and delivering other people's ballots should NOT be permitted unless that person is designated by the voter to represent them ,and that person can be properly identified as a representative for the voter .This should only be allowed in extreme cases when a person is not physically able to cast a ballot themselves .

Yet in June ,the Dem House passed a bill that would mandate “ballot harvesting” nationwide, letting paid activists canvass neighborhoods to collect absentee votes. The bill would also force states to count mail ballots that arrive after Election Day, as long as the postmark meets that date. In that case, the next President could be in doubt for weeks.

Ballot access is important, but so is ballot integrity. In exchange for the convenience, mail votes should have to be postmarked several days in advance of the election ,and ban the use of ballot harvesting .If the Dems fear that Donald Trump will try to delegitimize November’s result, why not deny him that by eliminating his biggest objections ? You don't have to answer that . We both really know the Dems motivation for reducing transparency in the process.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country.

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Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

@ Tom, the secretary of state is the top election official

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...244601752.html

Even repubs have figured out mail in ballots are doable. Have for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

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Will he blame those ungrateful black people if he loses?

He will blame everyone and anyone because the ego cannot know defeat, he was lucky the last time, he appealed to a lot of disenfranchised people but the circumstances are different this time and he knows it

We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence. The law is dead on his arse, and he could be impeached AGAIN!

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

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Originally Posted by paraclete

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

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"We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence." is!

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns of a dilemma

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Originally Posted by paraclete

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns if a dilema

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That "incompetent we don't know" was our vice president for eight years. No dilemma.

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

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yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

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Originally Posted by paraclete

yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

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That's not a compelling reason not to vote for old Joe now Clete, and the dufus isn't someone I would vote for in the first place, and he is an old coot too!

Old Joe has more than 40 years experience to bolster him up, who took 4 years off because of the death of his son. The dufus is a silver spooned coddled arsehole, who has done some underhanded despicable stuff, and bankrupted casinos and abused charities! Just sayin'.

Ole Joe has a much better track record, and less baggage.

I think it is a compelling reason not to vote for either of them

I've watched them both over the decades, and this choice is a veritable no brainer given that choice.

Go JOE GO!

Yes you are spoiled for choice, the devil you know V the devil you know. Hobson's choice really which means you are screwed either way

see what it takes to make your donkey go

http://gph.is/1UBmG2J

a donkey led recovery?

Dems are the symbolic donkey party, and yes I'm betting they will lead the recovery once we get the dufus and those elephants out of the way.