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It gets more complicated when you triple your population in a century, more so when you add many different cultures and societies into that mix. You'll see.
Warren does NOT place all business in the hands of the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Here are some of her points:
1. Corporations should have more than just profits driving them. Corporate boards should be made up of 40% worker participation. Goals should include profits, AND other worthy goals to further the public interest, NOT just the shareholders and top executives.
2. Repeal Citizens United - Corporations are NOT persons!
3. Tax the ultra-rich an added 2% recognizing their wealth depends on the wider society. This would raise an additional $2.75 TRILLION over 10 years for supporting existing programs and creating new ones on a bipartisan basis.
4. Break up big-tech monopolistic companies - Amazon, Google, Facebook , etc.
5. Consolidate existing business-oriented federal agencies into a single Department of Economic Opportunity to ensure jobs and training for federal employees and for non-federal workers to compete in the global marketplace.
6. Medicare for all.
7. Closely regulate the financial industry to avoid the crisis of 2007-8. REGULATE, NOT OWN!
These are some of her proposals, not all of them. It's hardly "Marxism".
The US economic system is presently Capitalism modified by Socialism. The two work well together with Capitalism dominating and neither one eliminating the other.
Warren's ideas are excellent food for thought.
The Green New Deal is another program worthy of discussion - for a later day.
yeah just those billion dollar businesses .Quite a big camel nose in the tent . How long before every American business is compelled to follow suit ?Quote:
Warren does NOT place all business in the hands of the state.
Corporations should have more than just profits driving them. Corporate boards should be made up of 40% worker participation. Goals should include profits, AND other worthy goalsBig difference between SHOULD and MUST . The later is a dictate .Quote:
to further the public interest, NOT just the shareholders and top executives.
WE will always disagree on this point . People have the right of association and to collectively petition Congress on their own behalf . Corporations are a group of people acting collectively with the goal of making money . They still have that right to petition Congress for their mutual benefit . I'll say it again . You want to start restricting corporations from making contributions in return for favors ?Start with the public service unionsQuote:
. Repeal Citizens United - Corporations are NOT persons!
we will never agree on this either . A fair tax is one where everyone is taxed at the same rate . By definition the rich would pay more .Quote:
Tax the ultra-rich an added 2% recognizing their wealth depends on the wider society. This would raise an additional $2.75 TRILLION over 10 years for supporting existing programs and creating new ones on a bipartisan basis.
on that I agree with her . But all that is needed is enforcement of existing law. Trust me I have no love lost for those rent seeking pirates . There is nothing free enterprise on how they became behemoths .Quote:
Break up big-tech monopolistic companies - Amazon, Google, Facebook , etc.
No problem with that either . There should be more consolidating and eliminating of federal bureaucracies . The problem is that Warren would grow them into super agencies instead of efficiently eliminating duplication .Quote:
Consolidate existing business-oriented federal agencies into a single Department of Economic Opportunity to ensure jobs and training for federal employees and for non-federal workers to compete in the global marketplace.
barf alert . Medicare is almost insolvent now . Workers pay into it their whole working lives to become eligible . But she would turn it into a cradle to death welfare system where people are eligible without putting a dime into it . At least call it accurately . What she really wants is national Medicaid .Quote:
6. Medicare for all.
Dictating how a board is composed of is ownership . Dictating that a certain business model ;the "benefit corporation" model, which prizes a set of values above just profits, must be a corporate business model is government ownership by other means .Quote:
Closely regulate the financial industry to avoid the crisis of 2007-8. REGULATE, NOT OWN!
You're putting words in Warren's plan that she never proposed. She does not say billion dollar businesses are to be owned by the state. Even less, "every" American business.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Excellent idea! I agree. Better each start at the same time. Just to be fair.Quote:
I'll say it again . You want to start restricting corporations from making contributions in return for favors ?Start with the public service unions
You mean a "Flat" tax. Nothing could be less fair than your idea of a "fair" tax. Changing the name doesn't change the unfairness. For the billionaire to pay the same rate as the $25,000 worker is absurd! The super rich would make huge fortunes if the so-called "flat tax" were law. Forbes stood to gain hundreds of millions if his "Flat" tax were enacted. It was a joke. Let's let this bad idea die a permanent death.Quote:
A fair tax is one where everyone is taxed at the same rate.
Now, Tom, are you being sneaky here? Of course the rich would pay more - MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE AT THE SAME RATE! But you seem to be implying the rich would pay more than they do NOW! Not in a million years.Quote:
By definition the rich would pay more .
Ok, how about National Health Care.Quote:
Medicare is almost insolvent now . Workers pay into it their whole working lives to become eligible . But she would turn it into a cradle to death welfare system where people are eligible without putting a dime into it . At least call it accurately
Corporations are required to have Boards now. Nobody calls it ownership.Quote:
Dictating how a board is composed of is ownership
Not above profits, but equal, or even a little below, if that makes you happy. The "Benefit" corporation, if that means benefiting the wider society, is a good name. Again, a regulation is not the same as ownership.Quote:
Dictating that a certain business model ;the "benefit corporation" model, which prizes a set of values above just profits, must be a corporate business model is government ownership by other means .
See? We have some agreement.
simplify the tax code it definitely would Yes I mean a flat tax with no account tricks called deductions and exemptions and credits.Quote:
But you seem to be implying the rich would pay more than they do NOW! Not in a million years.
When you dictate who must be on the board then it is the equivalent of state ownership .That was the Mussolini model .....Quote:
Corporations are required to have Boards now. Nobody calls it ownership.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowe.../#417fadff68e6Quote:
Economic fascism is a variety of socialism . individual rights may be routinely suppressed in the name of “social justice,” “national greatness” or some other utopian ideal. Politicians know better than private citizens what should be done. “Government alone,” Mussolini insisted, “is in the right position to see things from the point of view of the general welfare.” The government’s responsibility is to determine how much money is invested, how and where it should be invested and how the results will be judged. In Italy after 1925, all this was done through government-controlled cartels, such as the National Fascist Confederation of Industry, the National Fascist Confederation of Agriculture, the National Fascist Confederation of Commerce and the National Fascist Confederation of Banking.
I might go along with a flat tax, if everybody made the same money, had the same value, and was as the founding documents said was as equal as the Creator made us, with equal protection under the law. Until we fulfil that responsibility, forget that flat tax nonsense! Geez Tom some rich guys already pay less than a poor man, who can pay nothing.
A flat tax is NOTHING but conservative capitalists propaganda. The joke is on anyone who believes it.
I think that has happened here with very few of those consequences you speak of but then we arnt obsessed with our rights but im sure large populations bring their own problems, but our history is very different, we didnt need a rebellion to be a free nation and we didnt need to tear the nation apart or conquer the first nations peoples, greed just wasnt factored into our thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So you say Clete, but let me know when you outnumber the roos.
probably do already we have had the emu wars and won maybe we should have the roo war.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We will probably have a first nations war they breed like rabbits and dont surcome to mixomytosis
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