Take off your blinders dude! To judge others by the lens of your morality, and ignore the dufus is not balanced or productive. Is that just an ideological bias? I expect no answer, but know you're reading this.

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Take off your blinders dude! to judge others by the lens of your morality... and ignore the dufus is not balanced or productive.

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That's why JL believes women shouldn't get abortions. His reasoning: "You can't do that! It's against my religion!"

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His reasoning: "You can't do that! It's against my religion!"

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Yet another completely foolish comment made by you but attributed to me. You are embarrassing yourself.

Even at that, I can explain my objection to abortion unlike you. And to top it off, you dismiss religious beliefs as a valid moral base.

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Yet another completely foolish comment made by you but attributed to me. You are embarrassing yourself.

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I said your reasoning, not your comment. Prove to me that your religious beliefs have everything to do with preventing a woman who doesn't share your beliefs from getting an abortion.

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Even at that, I can explain my objection to abortion unlike you. And to top it off, you dismiss religious beliefs as a valid moral base.

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Your religious beliefs do not control anyone else. They control only you.

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I said your reasoning, not your comment. Prove to me that your religious beliefs have everything to do with preventing a woman who doesn't share your beliefs from getting an abortion.

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No, no little Miss Evasion. You're on the hook right now. Do what you said you would do (and then didn't) yesterday. For once be a woman of courage. Why do you "disagree" with abortion?

And btw, it was YOUR comment, so you have to own it. It was not my reasoning, so you were off base on all counts.

WG has stated her abortion position so many times we all know it by heart. Why do you keep insisting on asking the same abortion question over and over again?

What could be your purpose? What is it about WG's position you just don't understand?

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WG has stated her abortion position so many times we all know it by heart. Why do you keep insisting on asking the same abortion question over and over again?

What could be your purpose? What is it about WG's position you just don't understand?

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Thanks, tal. I'm putting together as simple and straightforward answer as possible so JL will comprehend.

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Thanks, tal. I'm putting together as simple and straightforward answer as possible so JL will comprehend.

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You said you would answer on Sunday, but I am patiently waiting. Just bear in mind that the question is, "Why do you 'disagree' with abortion?"

I do appreciate "simple and straightforward." To this point you have offered nothing, so it does sound like progress. You can, of course simply decline to answer. I understand your hesitancy, or at least I think I do.

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You said you would answer on Sunday, but I am patiently waiting. Just bear in mind that the question is, "Why do you 'disagree' with abortion?"

I do appreciate "simple and straightforward." To this point you have offered nothing, so it does sound like progress. You can, of course simply decline to answer. I understand your hesitancy, or at least I think I do.

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You have no clue about my "hesitancy." It turned out I was very busy over the weekend with cooking and cleaning, especially preparing for our family's Memorial Day observation yesterday.

My family comes first, even before you. But yes, I jotted down my thoughts as I cooked and cleaned.

Wisely done.

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Wisely done.

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Stop traffic! Sound the trumpets! Organize a parade! JL complimented me! I weep for joy!

It does happen from time to time. 8D

A little humor to start the day. (I know...sentence fragment.)

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No, that happens when you work for capitalist who pays minimum wage

But the happy thing is, when you work for a capitalist, then you are free to enhance your job worth and then change to working for another capitalist who pays better. Economic freedom is a great thing.

Yes many are enjoying the benefits now in a CV19 economy, how's it working out over there?

So if we were socialists there would be no virus? That's a strange perspective that has no bearing on capitalism.

Not everyone has the same opportunity to make Mo'Money with another capitalists and it takes a long time to even move up with the capitalists you work for, but some do for sure, but many work more than one job as a necessity, if they can, if they have the tools and support systems in place to do so. In this present virus environment though nearly everyone who cannot work from home is challenged just for the basics. Tough choices indeed for most of us, and that cannot be dismissed or blamed in an effort to adapt and adjust to these new challenges.

While we are still launching rockets, those meat packing plants are still dealing with the effects of this virus as sickness and death rises, and the essentials are being strain to their capacities.

I don't care what anyone says there's a hungry shark in the waters and expecting people to ignore that is a bit assinine. Now in some countries the society is built on doing as they are told without question, but here there is no such thing as obey without question and we as a society question everything and bristle at commands so we can only suggest a general course of action in which many will disregard.

Just one difference that our freedoms work against us in a climate where leaders are MISLEADING, and the flock gets separated for slaughter. Not mentioning any names but I'm sure we all know of the dufus that I speak of and his sheeple. Yes we have the freedom to be sheeple, because we all are dependent on capitalists to trickle us some capital to survive.

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So? I've done that myself. It's still the glory of free enterprise. Look around at what even poor people in America have. Cars, cell phones, plenty to eat, air conditioning, televisions and so forth are all found in their possession. Amazing!!

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because we all are dependent on capitalists to trickle us some capital to survive.

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You were free all of your life to get out and start a business, putting in the sixty or seventy hours a week which that requires. You chose not to. I know people who have done that, and they were not all successful. It's risky. You chose not to take the risk, and I did as well. That's fine, but you won't catch me whining about the people who get out there and work their tails off in order to reach that point. We should both be appreciative. They pay nearly all of the income tax, and they provide most of the jobs. And you complain???

Not a complaint just an observation. Not everybody can walk into a bank or funding institution for that seed money they may not have, and while they may have a phone or TV, they are hard pressed to get around with an old car or public transportation, have little or no insurance and affordable rent can be scarce, and forget affordable day car on those low wages and long hours. Now a lot of folks have family support, but many do not, and it doesn't take much at all for a disruption to change everything in such a fragile circumstance, so you can imagine the very real dire straits of ordinary people who were working very hard to keep their heads above water as it was. Hard to imagine such a large number of people left out of the great economy, since as a general thing they don't complain or raise hell when the price of eggs, milk, and rent and heat go up. They make due and keep on going. Whose listening any way?

Whose listening now? Surely not the ones who are benefitting the most, and not even the well to do caught up in paying the bills for that decent house and neighborhood and a cable bill. Or the ones driving the newest biggest truck and looking to trade it in for one with even more bells and whistles. Much easier to blame the working poor than work to eliminate the poverty which dogs us all. YUP no telling when a trickle down capitalists will save money by cutting YOUR check, and investing in a robot, or a foreign worker who thinks a bowl of rice a day is a great living.

We may claim to have the best system in the world, but this virus has taught us things can change really fast even for the big dog on the block. Will we learn and work to do better? Not so far we have not. Chances are it gets worse before we get a chance to get back what we had.

This is a life changing event, and complaints won't change it at all.