We should institute Operation Praying Mantis immediately .
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We should institute Operation Praying Mantis immediately .
Like you said before, 17 miles distance isn't a lot especially if you retaliate with even more shock, awe, and destruction. Not that I take Iran's version of events as truth, but I doubt they retaliate with boats, planes or soldiers either after an attack. I have no doubt they will retaliate.
They use proxy terrorists . You know that.Quote:
but I doubt they retaliate with boats, planes or soldiers either after an attack
I know that but does the dufus know? I surely hope so, because that means boots on the ground and not boats, especially if those proxy terrorist terrorize in another country. Shoot first and asking questions later is a great escalation tool not a solution.
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I think the current mess could have been avoided if Trump had not broken the agreement with Iran.
It’s hardly surprising that the Iranians are trying to sound as bellicose as possible, hoping their threats and the terrorist tactics that they have regularly employed for the last 40 years would scare the administration into backing down. Equally unsurprising is that those who backed Obama’s deal, are, like the Iranians, framing the issue as a choice between war and appeasement in the form of a weak agreement that did not accomplish what its defenders claimed for it.
That has always been a false choice.
You cast Trump as reckless regarding Iran, and then he counsels restraint and proportionality so you say he's indecisive .Quote:
Shoot first and asking questions later is a great escalation tool not a solution.
He suddenly realized that following up on his impulsive reaction and getting into a war would mess up his reelection in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
But I have been hearing the argument on this posting that this whole exercise is a wag the dog effort by him to enhance his 2020 bid So which one is it ?
That's not how I framed it so to be clear an agreement on nukes certainly opens a door for more agreements which is the purpose of diplomacy. Its never been about appeasement or war since both sides get something if not all they want. When the dufus withdrew us from a negotiated 5 country deal he basically erased years of efforts and has to start from scratch which he initiated by locking down the screws to there economy, and adding the siege military tactic like the Iranians will be forced to capitulate to abject surrender under those terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Negotiating from a position of strength? Naw, Iranian proxies would never join such capitulation.
You certainly can't rule that out now can we?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Someone clued him in that Iran could do tremendous damage to the US in all sorts of ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Desperate for a deal at any price, Obama also reneged on his re-election campaign promise that Iran would be forced to give up its nuclear program and, in exchange for a temporary pause in their activity to build a bomb, ended the sanctions and even agreed to a “sunset clause.” When the pact expires, Iran will be able to get its weapon anyway.Quote:
Its never been about appeasement or war since both sides get something if not all they want.
Iran agreed to negotiate a deal with Obama only when he agreed to recognize the right of Iran to undertake nuclear research and develop nuclear capability. US president Donald Trump is merely re-implementing sanctions previously imposed on Iran.
Obama and Kerry, claimed the only choices available were either war or their deal.Quote:
That's not how I framed it so to be clear
What makes a superpwer super is power. If we don't use it, whats left? Iran believes they will destroy us and acts on that conviction every day. We...seek nagoteations.
no ,he heard that there could be over 100 people killed in the strike being contemplated and determined that was not proportionate to the loss of a drone . What could Iran do if we decided to go all out on them ? Please .The leadership is hanging on by a thread now because the sanctions are working . That is why they are desperate to do something like blow up tankers and take pot shots at drones. Me ? I want to crater mark the whole coast line . But even I realize that the best course is to do even more tightening of the economic noose.Quote:
Someone clued him in that Iran could do tremendous damage to the US in all sorts of ways.
You are almost as good as the dufus at creating spin. I think it was a head fake from the beginning and he had no intention of such an action. Great talking points to show off his compassionate restraints for the news cycle though as everyone except you Tom, and Bolton gives a BIG sigh of relief. It worked on most people I supposed. He showed his control over a contrived situation.
Sort of like his tomahawk attack in Syria. All show nothing but dust, but shows he is locked and loaded and ready to go. Mission Accomplished for the weekend anyway for the orange butt drama queen.
You really believe there was no casualty assessment during the early planning stages?
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Obviously! He took the whole schtick right out of a West Wing episode. Just look at his expression telling the tale - he acts it out with quotes from his "Generals".
The timeline is disputed between Trump and the military.
Tell that to the 200+ Russian green shirts that got wasted from an American attack in Syria.Quote:
All show nothing but dust, but shows he is locked and loaded and ready to go
https://taskandpurpose.com/russian-m...a-leaked-audio
Yah, Never mind the 40+ years Obama tried to erase.Quote:
When the dufus withdrew us from a negotiated 5 country deal he basically erased years of efforts and has to start from scratch
Just at the moment when even tougher sanctions might have tightened the noose on the regime and forced it to abandon its nuclear quest as well as its support for terrorism, Obama reversed course. He chose not only to go for a narrow deal that ignored every issue but the nuclear one. Obama's deal encouraged Iran to become even more aggressive in its use of terror and its quest for regional hegemony.
Coercive Diplomacy, That is the only Diplomacy that entire region understands/respects.Quote:
the purpose of diplomacy. Its never been about appeasement or war
And your point would be what?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'll bite 40 year history of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
You mean 5 other signatory countries that went for the deal.Quote:
Just at the moment when even tougher sanctions might have tightened the noose on the regime and forced it to abandon its nuclear quest as well as its support for terrorism, Obama reversed course. He chose not only to go for a narrow deal that ignored every issue but the nuclear one. Obama's deal encouraged Iran to become even more aggressive in its use of terror and its quest for regional hegemony.
Don't like Arabs huh?Quote:
Coercive Diplomacy, That is the only Diplomacy that entire region understands/respects.
Sanctions.Quote:
I'll bite 40 year history of what?
They don't like each other. I have no problem with Arabs.Quote:
Don't like Arabs huh?
You are nuts if you think the Mussies want to be our Friends. Certainly your not suggesting that trump go back to the Deal "Deal"?
40 years of sanctions with no results? Didn't work in Cuba either. Time to change tactics.
What else are they suppose to learn while continuing to look at the barrel of the gun as a communication tool?Quote:
Coercive Diplomacy, That is the only Diplomacy that entire region understands/respects.
It is like this all over the Middle East. It is very sad, but true.
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