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Migrants seeking asylum is not illegal under US law. Doesn't matter if it's through a port of entry, or over, under, around or through a fence.
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HC would have made a better prez than this dufus, darn near anyone would. Repubs would be going nuts trying to impeach her.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
And deservedly so since Trump brings it all upon his head by his bizarre public behavior and public tweets. A sizable fraction of Trump's base are evangelical Christians. Of course, they're at his rallies.
If Trump is the lesser of two evils, who's number one? Beelzebub?
Your support of the camps is noted. You have chosen one wrong in place of another wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Just so you know, those Nazi camps started as detention centers for criminals. They graduated to communists, anti-Nazis, all the way to the Final Solution.Quote:
To call the detention centers concentration camps tells me you must not know much about the Nazi concentration camps.
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As to the subject of who evangelical Christians should have supported, there was no godly choice, so I went with the one who did not support abortion
As I've said before, to you abortion is the main and only "godly choice" - everything else is secondary.
As everyone but you seems to know, the economy was reviving under Obama.Quote:
who had some chance of reviving the economy
She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.Quote:
You will never see the day when I would vote for HC
You have no idea who I supported. I do not claim any high ground. I am simply observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.Quote:
It's just politics. You object to Trump but, I guess, supported HC and BO, which means you have no entitlement to the moral high ground.
Beelzebub takes many forms, but evil can also take many forms. Rampant unchecked socialism is an evil, Venezuela is the latest example, Soviet Russia was another. Belligerent, bellicose war mongering is another. So Obama, Bush, Trump are evils in that regard, Hilliary would have been no different. Unfortunately in this world what we have isn't good opposing evil, but evil opposing evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Don't blame Christians for this. What they want is peace, prosperity, freedom from oppression and they see the left as oppression. Can't blame them look at the track record
What difference would that make?Quote:
She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.
On and on it goes, where it stops nobody knows.Quote:
observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.
you are right absolutely none, but then the american people have been spared the draconian taxation of Obamacare, so some upsideQuote:
Originally Posted by waltero
It cannot end, like the elephant the donkey never forgetsQuote:
On and on it goes, where it stops nobody knows.
You always have an interesting albeit gloomy view of Americans Clete, but these peace loving Christians made a deal with a devil, who is anything but peaceful, or even orderly for that matter. Chaos would be a better description.
Obama is the ONLY eight year pres who never had a single quarter of 3% GDP growth. That's not what I call a "reviving" economy. He kept the wheels from falling off the cart, so give him that, but at a cost of doubling the national debt. You need to engage the facts.Quote:
As everyone but you seems to know, the economy was reviving under Obama.
Completely absurd statement. One of the funnier moments in the campaign was when a democrat was asked to identify HC's greatest accomplishment. The person stammered and stuttered and finally came up with nothing. She had an empty professional life.Quote:
She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.
Of course you do. No one who voted for HC can be critical of those who voted for Trump, and yet you want to sit in judgement of those who voted for Trump and do so continually.Quote:
I do not claim any high ground. I am simply observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.
If this economy is a disaster, then we need a lot more of that kind of disaster.
You always conveniently ignore the fact that Obama inherited a disaster from your Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First Lady, senator and secretary of state - you should have such an empty professional life. As much as I dislike Trump, it pales compared to your undying HATRED of all things Hillary Clinton.Quote:
She had an empty professional life.
Talk about absurd. Trump invites criticism every single day. The latest is his temper tantrum leaving a planned meeting because he didn't have a clue what to do. He's 72 going on 8. And you have no idea who I voted for. You have a habit of making assumptions to fit your pro-Trump agenda.Quote:
No one who voted for HC can be critical of those who voted for Trump.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth that were never there. I said TRUMP is the disaster. The economy was saved by Obama who prevented it from becoming a world-wide depression.Quote:
If this economy is a disaster, then we need a lot more of that kind of disaster.
How can you talk about deals with the devil with a straight face, Tal? after Obama, after Hilliary. You know nothing of chaos in the US, Tal. Chaos is something that happens elsewhere, probably at the instigation of Washington. I actually think it doesn't matter who is in the WH, chaos is stock in tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Those are titles, not accomplishments. I don't hate HC, but I do hate this concept that the holier than thou crowd can sit on top of Mount Righteousness and proclaim judgement on the rest of us, acting as though voting for HC was somehow a vote for character and efficiency. Let me add that being first lady is hardly a professional accomplishment.Quote:
First Lady, senator and secretary of state - you should have such an empty professional life. As much as I dislike Trump, it pales compared to your undying HATRED of all things Hillary Clinton.
Obama inherited nothing worse than what Reagan inherited from Carter, but Reagan had one quarter of almost 8% GDP growth, and he did it without the daily whining we had to hear from Obama. I will give Obama some credit in that things did not get worse with him, but to say that he had a "reviving" economy is overstating the truth. The economy merely limped along with Obama.
You don't seem to have the courage to say who you voted for, but if I assume you did not vote for Trump, and I think that's a pretty safe assumption, then let's see now. Who would that leave that you might have voted for?Quote:
And you have no idea who I voted for.
That's how off track you are Clete as HC was never the president, and Obama was when the GFC hit the world. He saved your Aussie butt too, after the Bush financial disaster. Now that was chaos whether you conservatives acknowledge it or not.Quote:
How can you talk about deals with the devil with a straight face, Tal? after Obama, after Hilliary. You know nothing of chaos in the US, Tal. Chaos is something that happens elsewhere, probably at the instigation of Washington. I actually think it doesn't matter who is in the WH, chaos is stock in trade
yes Bush shares the blame because he continued the Clintoon housing policies (btw the real culprit was il Duce Andrew Cuomo the miserable piece of human excrement who is the Governor of the state I live in) . Bush also share responsibility because he foolishly got suckered into believing that a bail out of the banks was the remedy . Also don't dismiss the emperor's role in the GWOT . He was a community activist back then that was pressuring banks to give out risky loans to the poor . He also extended the GWOT with his ridiculous economic polices like the stimulus program and his burdensome regulations ,
This is a load of crap and you know it. Goldman Sachs et al falsified packages of mortgages and sold them as AAA securities KNOWING they were toxic. Everything you wrote as a cause is nothing but phony right-wing talking points trying to excuse Wall Street. You didn't mention it but Obama's DOJ could have tried harder to indict the criminals, but it caved.Quote:
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Courage? The real question is why are you so interested. Probably to make arguments based on voting. Better you should use intelligence and reason based on arguing the points raised. That's how discussions are carried out - not how someone voted.
By the way, for such a self-proclaimed expert on the Constitution, you seem to be unaware of the secret ballot - a hallowed tradition in America.
Or you don't want to admit you voted for HC because you know that would destroy your ability to raise cane about Trump's character, sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Courage? The real question is why are you so interested. Probably to make arguments based on voting. Better you should use intelligence and reason based on arguing the points raised. That's how discussions are carried out - not how someone voted.
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Time for you to admit it. You support Trump in spite of his strange behavior because he proclaims he is anti-abortion (which anyone who has followed Trump from his NY days knows that is simply a matter of convenience designed to attract votes).
As to Hillary, you're conflicted about the role of women in society - a woman president is a bit too much for you. We surmise this from your previous post here commenting how the Bible would advise re a present-day position concerning a woman.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Hilliary was secretary of State during the arab spring, enuff said. Saving Aussie butt couldn't be further from the mind of any US president and certainly not Obama, he wasn't even interested in saving US butt just spending you into oblivion. The GFC was much more a disaster for the US than the world, Blame Bush for it if you like but clearly it was social engineering gone wrong and we know who to blame for that
Bill (and others) considered her Co-president...how far off are you?Quote:
That's how off track you are Clete as HC was never the president
Hillary has nothing to do with anything? Why does her name keep popping up???
We Republicans have used her as a diversion and as a tennis ball to bounce back and forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
LOL, now that's some goofy logic. Clearly big banks and big money got greedy making money hand over fists that destroyed the housing market and led to the GFC, by using tools and gimmicks to exploit eager buyers. That the world went along with this easy money scheme at a time when sovereign finances were a huge deal was predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You must explain this social engineering phrase more Clete, because I think it's just the old dog should be allowed to eat dog philosophy that maintains the status quo class system conservatives so love and adhere to. In layman's terms, tax cuts for the rich because they deserve it and the rest are rabble to justify legal stealing through wealth enhancement through extraction.
Ask JL, but no secret she has garnered absolute FEAR of strong capable females for decades from conservatives.Quote:
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This is what happens when you lose to an idiot...idiots at work.
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