"The noose is tightening." No, the Mueller report has basically exonerated Trump.

"His tweet shrieks are getting shriller and shriller." Fair enough statement.

"The man is clearly mentally disabled." Ridiculous statement.

As to his tax returns, it's just yet another example of the sickening fishing expedition the dems see themselves on and a gross overreach of federal power which should alarm everyone. Every person's tax returns are confidential. The IRS seems to have no problems with them. It is no one's business but Trump's.

Until we see the Mueller report, exoneration is an unsubstantiated opinion. Congress has the power and authority to see the presidents tax return, that's just the law, and to add it's our business to scrutinize the fellow in the white house diligently. You may want to take the word of a lying, cheater as fact, many are NOT, and we who do not require more answers to our questions. That's just due diligence no matter how you spin it.

Such scrutiny is part of the job JL.

1. Barr did not write the summary alone . He wrote it WITH Mueller and Rod Rosenstein . Do you really think either of them would be involved in covering up the content of the report if it in any way revealed criminal obstruction ;or that Trump colluded with the Russians ?

2.Congress can TRY to obtain Trump's tax returns by making a request to Sec Treasury Steve Mnuchin under §6103 .It is doubtful he will honor the request . Maybe a so called whistlblower in the IRS could hand them over . But they would then be illegally obtained . There is no valid or justifiable reason to access the president’s returns other than the political quest to arm the Democrats with unsavory allegations against Trump. They certainly have not argued any real legislative reason for wanting the see them .

jilsenbe has a good point . He has had his taxes audited by the IRS ;including under the politicized IRS of the emperor's reign . You know ;the IRS that was targeting conservative groups to deny them non-profit status ? That IRS . And they found nothing .Mueller almost certainly got his hands on Trump's returns during the course of his investigation. IF there were anything wrong with them we would've already heard about it .

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1. Barr did not write the summary alone . He wrote it WITH Mueller and Rod Rosenstein .

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Where did you read that?

Two officials with knowledge of Barr’s thinking suggested that in writing his summary, Barr was cautious about deviating from a Justice Department practice to “not disclose derogatory details in closing an investigation."

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1. Barr did not write the summary alone . He wrote it WITH Mueller and Rod Rosenstein . Do you really think either of them would be involved in covering up the content of the report if it in any way revealed criminal obstruction ;or that Trump colluded with the Russians ?

2.Congress can TRY to obtain Trump's tax returns by making a request to Sec Treasury Steve Mnuchin under §6103 .It is doubtful he will honor the request . Maybe a so called whistlblower in the IRS could hand them over . But they would then be illegally obtained . There is no valid or justifiable reason to access the president’s returns other than the political quest to arm the Democrats with unsavory allegations against Trump. They certainly have not argued any real legislative reason for wanting the see them .

jilsenbe has a good point . He has had his taxes audited by the IRS ;including under the politicized IRS of the emperor's reign . You know ;the IRS that was targeting conservative groups to deny them non-profit status ? That IRS . And they found nothing .Mueller almost certainly got his hands on Trump's returns during the course of his investigation. IF there were anything wrong with them we would've already heard about it .

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You make a lot of assumptions not based in facts, but the process is the process and the politics is not lost on any of us. The dufus boys will fight, and so will the dems. This is a popcorn match up for me as things develop. For the rest it appears we just root for our team and see what comes of it. The Dufus's basic tactic though is tie things up in court, so he probably has a lot of lawyers ready to go.

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You may want to take the word of a lying, cheater as fact

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Oh please. That's exactly what you did with Hillary and Obama, so don't be so quick to judge.

I am taking the word of Barr. In what way has he demonstrated himself to be a liar and a cheater?

Tomder, please post the link where Barr said he wrote his summary with Mueller's and Rosenstein's input.

That is what Tomder contended. Barr would only be lying is BARR said he did that when in fact he did not.

My understanding is the Barr is presently working with Mueller to decide what needs to be redacted.

yeah like the courts have been his friend.

Mueller has been great at redacting his own court filings so I'm dubious if he suddenly needed Barr to do it for him.

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The economy has added more than a half million manufacturing jobs and is adding those jobs at a rate better than in the past twenty years, Obama had eight years and never produced a healthy economy. It was the slowest recovery from a recession in history.

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I meant to type mining but manufacturing got in there - my error. Obama brought us out of the recession which you acknowledged in a backhanded way. For hate, nothing surpasses the comments of you and yours re Obama and the Clintons.

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But his policies have led to an economic revival such as we have not seen in a long time.

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The revival began with Obama. Look it up.

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He has appointed conservative judges. He takes our southern border and North Korea seriously and continues to support religious liberty and traditional marriage. All of this makes him, in my mind, far superior to the consummate politician we had before, and certainly better than the most corrupt politician of my lifetime, HC.

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He is supposed to appoint judges who are guided by the LAW, not by an ideology. What he has done with the southern border is arguably the worst thing he has done out of many many disgusting things. Children in cages, separated from their mothers! He has now given a murderous madmen in North Korea standing in the world and he says he loves him. And all this makes him, IN YOUR MIND, far superior to Hillary Clinton. Your hatred is showing.


He says he can't release his tax returns because they're being audited. An audit has nothing to do with releasing a tax return. Nixon released his under audit.

He gets more and more confused on a daily basis. He still hasn't figured out that his father wasn't born in Germany. Today he walked his threats against Mexico back when somebody informed him what a disaster that would be for the economy. So he went back to tariffs - a simple concept he seems unable to grasp. But he graduated with honors and uses big words. So sad.

I was mistaken when suggesting that Mueller assisted in writing the Barr letter . I was not mistaken in saying Att Gen Rosenstien (who appointed Mueller ,and volunteered to wire up to attempt a 25th Amendment coup on Trump ...in other words ,no fan of the President ) assisted Barr in writing the letter . I am also correct in noting that Mueller is assisting Barr in preparing the redactions for the release of Mueller's report to Congress (not to the public).

In doing this I am sure they are taking in the recent DC circus court decision McKeever v Barr that supports Rule 6(e) of the Federal rules of Criminal Procedure that Grand Jury proceedings cannot be disclosed .At very least ,Barr and Mueller Must redact any information that was obtained by a Grand Jury proceeding . They also will do the standard redactions protecting sources and methods ,and classified information .

Although all of us would like to see the report un-redacted ;and some of us would also like to see the full disclosure of the filing that led to the FISA approvals that permitted the emperor's justice Dept to spy on an opposing Presidential campaign ;it just is not going to happen . So the bleating cries of 'cover up ' will continue .

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Although all of us would like to see the report un-redacted ;and some of us would also like to see the full disclosure of the filing that led to the FISA approvals that permitted the emperor's justice Dept to spy on an opposing Presidential campaign ;it just is not going to happen . So the bleating cries of 'cover up ' will continue .

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Probably true. Core values are becoming so wildly different amongst various groups that it is hard to see how we will be able to hold together. When liberals argue that late term abortions and even infanticide are perfectly acceptable, then I don't know how that gap can be bridged.

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JL: When liberals argue that late term abortions and even infanticide are perfectly acceptable...

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How can Republicans scream that abortion (of white fetuses...) is a sin, yet allow (brown) refugee and migrant babies and children suffer and die? Hmmm, methinks I've figured it out.

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How can Republicans scream that abortion (of white fetuses...) is a sin, yet allow (brown) refugee and migrant babies and children suffer and die? Hmmm, methinks I've figured it out.

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Big difference. No republican advocates what you have stated, and I challenge you to find a single quote from any prominent republican which would show that. On the other hand, every prominent dem I can think of is in favor of late term abortions, and several have advocated for infanticide.

For someone who claims to be against hate speech, you sure are dabbling in it yourself. Your post so illustrates what I have observed in liberals. Since the truth is not favorable to you, then just make things up. That was a disappointing post, and most especially what your last sentence seemed to infer.

And many repubs like you are just plain against ALL abortions for any reason. So what?

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JL: No republican advocates what you have stated, and I challenge you to find a single quote from any prominent republican which would show that.

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Of course, no repub is going to actually SAY that. Why is it implied and actually happening that way?

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Of course, no repub is going to actually SAY that.

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Which is why you had to make the whole thing up. Hmmm. Methinks I've figured out why.

Like wind mills cause cancer? That kind of making stuff up? Nothing wrong with being pro life, but making stuff up about all dems support late term abortions on demand is a straight up fallacy, and I guess you think repubs women never have legal abortions too?

OK. Tell me which dem candidate for president does not support late term abortions.