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[talaniman;3753434]Young people everywhere in the world are potential criminals... we call them gangs here, and they have access to as many weapons (and money) as they need for whatever criminal activity they so choose. Especially in a ghetto and that's exactly what Brussels is.

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Tal there is a vast difference your young thugs are not motivated by a death cult religion but by drugs and heddonism

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you distrust even the Muslims who have said exactly what you wanted to hear, Clete?[/

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I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high places

I don't think these Arab/Persian thugs truly understand terror. I have been saying this since 1979 so it won't come as a surprise to most of you. We have been at peace with Japan since September 2, 1945, when we demonstrated terror. It's time Tehran gets its nuclear weapon.

Old Ben was right.

We are all born ignorant, but, one must work hard to remain stupid~ Ben Franklin ~

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I don't think these Arab/Persian thugs truly understand terror. I have been saying this since 1979 so it won't come as a surprise to most of you. We have been at peace with Japan since September 2, 1945, when we demonstrated terror. It's time Tehran gets its nuclear weapon.

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And what do you think they will do with it, nuke Racca or nuke Washington? What an Iranian nuke would do is cause Washington to curb its aggessive tendencies. A nuclear device is only a deterrent when used otherwise it is an ornament. The world has enough nuclear trophies and these trophies have not caused the terrorists to run and hide

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Tal there is a vast difference your young thugs are not motivated by a death cult religion but by drugs and heddonism

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The reasons are irrelevant, and that's if I buy your motives which I doubt would apply as widely as you think among the youth of the ISIS followers. You fail to even acknowledge the conditions of poverty especially among the adolescents on a global scale and it's long term effects which as usual makes your blathering both short and narrow, inaccurate, and poorly formed but not surprising given your history of spewing derogatories and those you hate.

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I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high places

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Once you acknowledge you know nothing it will free you from fear fueled speculation and while there are many like you where I am, thankfully they are an ever swindling minority. I didn't ask your opinion of the fellow of your article Clete, but if you read the question it specifically asked about those Muslims who had distanced themselves the fellow.

My bad, I should have known not to ask a reasonable question of one who lives in such a small box.

Let me try to add a bit of insight to your narrow fear induced view

Paris Terror: Why ISIS Needs The 'Useful Idiots' Who Demonize Muslims

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Every imbecile who threatens Muslims is an unwitting agent of ISIS; in fact, it would be unsurprising to learn that ISIS itself is covertly promoting such messages in order to intensify enmity between the peoples of the Quran and the rest of the world. Certainly that is among the primary objectives of attacks like last week's atrocities in Paris.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

And what do you think they will do with it, nuke Racca or nuke Washington? What an Iranian nuke would do is cause Washington to curb its aggessive tendencies. A nuclear device is only a deterrent when used otherwise it is an ornament. The world has enough nuclear trophies and these trophies have not caused the terrorists to run and hide

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I think you misunderstood HOW they would get it.

We gave one to Hiroshima and another to Nagasaki. Think more along those terms

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Let me try to add a bit of insight to your narrow fear induced view

Paris Terror: Why ISIS Needs The 'Useful Idiots' Who Demonize Muslims

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The person who wrote that piece is an idiot who is working on behalf of ISIS. Because Most Muslims support the terrorist element even if they themselves won't actually do the act.

And people that even partially agree with the terrorist mindset.. makes them no different.

Tom posted a link to that earlier with polls that prove it and I saw other polls years ago at the time taken in the 90's some of which might have been included in that aggregate. And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element... and they don't take them out because they agree with them.

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And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element...

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While your premise may be correct

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and they don't take them out because they agree with them.

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Your conclusion is flawed, as they don't have the capability as to act on their own against armed thugs. No more than any "neighborhood" in the world where the thug infests them. If they cannot trust a cop they don't call them, and that's only if they have a cop to call.

How easily you dismiss the FACT that many Muslims have publicly spoken against the terrorist because they DON'T agree with them at all. Rather silly to say even the actions of the few represents the feelings of the whole, especially when you use OLD "data" to do it with.

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While your premise may be correct



Your conclusion is flawed, as they don't have the capability as to act on their own against armed thugs. No more than any "neighborhood" in the world where the thug infests them. If they cannot trust a cop they don't call them, and that's only if they have a cop to call.

How easily you dismiss the FACT that many Muslims have publicly spoken against the terrorist because they DON'T agree with them at all. Rather silly to say even the actions of the few represents the feelings of the whole, especially when you use OLD "data" to do it with.

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Yes they do... the problem is they have to stick their necks out and they don't disagree with them nearly enough to do that.

Words are cheap... and there haven't even been very many of those used. And there has been precious little action taken. Which is what matters.

If they can stone a woman or girl to death for having sex out of wedlock or not wearing her burlap sack... they aren't too pure to take out terrorist supporters too.

No stoning here in Chicagoland. What would you want US Muslims to do?

You see we come back to the problem there are those who live in their traditional lands and those who have escaped. We would like those who have escaped in being very vocal in denouncing the outlandish views of the jihadists and publishing their refutation of the dogma. We would like the jihadist supporters and recruiters to be outed but we know that won't happen. Once there was a problem with nazi under the bed, then it was commies under the bed and now it's jihadi under the bed because minorities mistrust law enforcement and intellegence agencies

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No stoning here in Chicagoland. What would you want US Muslims to do?

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Wondergirl... you need to watch the news a lot closer. There have been more than a few honor killings and maiming's by muslims that have occurred over the years in the USA alone. Really, their mindset is... your daughter slept with "X" she dishonored her family and must pay for it,. now how does that justify killing her, beating her within an inch of her life, or setting her on fire, throwing acid on her... etc. ALL of which has happened by that nice bunch... not just in some Middle eastern hell hole. They do it in Europe too. See it frequently on the news.

Once in a while its someone from India doing it...but most often its a Muslim doing it.

No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

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No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

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You know what I reckon if we took american violence out of the picture and we took muslim violence out of the picture we would find that the world is a largely peaceful place. When you use the word "domestic" I'm unsure whether you mean violence committed in a household towards women, or violence committed inside your borders

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You know what I reckon if we took american violence out of the picture and we took muslim violence out of the picture we would find that the world is a largely peaceful place. When you use the word "domestic" I'm unsure whether you mean violence committed in a household towards women, or violence committed inside your borders

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Domestic violence is a term to denote violence within the household between related family members.

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No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

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Most of these crazies end up being lefties.

Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.

And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.

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Domestic violence is a term to denote violence within the household between related family members.

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Yes that is my understanding too, so tal is saying americans have stopped beating their wives and kids, when did that happen?
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Most of these crazies end up being lefties.

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I'm assuming we are talking about muslims again but we could be talking about right wing nut jobs, or those smoking dope

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Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.

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So what do they do with them?

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And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.

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We weren't assigning blame. Tal, being in deniel, suggested it didn't exist, obviously you have evidence to the contrary

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Yes that is my understanding too, so tal is saying americans have stopped beating their wives and kids, when did that happen?
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I'm assuming we are talking about muslims again but we could be talking about right wing nut jobs, or those smoking dope



So what do they do with them?



We weren't assigning blame. Tal, being in deniel, suggested it didn't exist, obviously you have evidence to the contrary

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Nope... most of the mass shootings, actually all of them since the Oklahoma city bombing (the last one pulled by a righty) have been by lefties.

We don't execute them... they usually send them to strict female only boarding schools. If they can afford it... or kick their butts out of the house and force her to make the baby daddy support them. He broke it he bought it.

I believe for every ONE mean spirited drunk that does beat on his wife or kids for no reason what so ever (or woman, its not gender specific I've known examples of both married to friends)... there are 100 husbands driven to the brink of insanity by a sharp tongued wife (PMS or any other reason) who doesn't know when its a great time to stop and shut up before he snaps and the whoopin commences. Or some know it all teenager with all the answers to everything doing it to either the father or mother or both.

A steriotypical answer, It is someoneelse's fault because I have no self control or I didn't teach my kids self control. We have all been on the wrong end of a sharp tongued wife, doesn't mean you solve the problem with a smack in the face, and we have all had to deal with idiot teenagers, while they might need a smackdown that should have been administered long ago. This is the age of self, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and self again.

No one is going to admit to the problem in our societies, we cannot be multicultural, we are not accepting of other cultures. We might eat their food but we don't embrace their religion. We don't worship cows or elephants, we don't worship the moon we only worship ourselves, We don't dress like we are hiding something because we all know from looking in the mirror there is nothing worth hiding, although I admit with some muslim women it is better they stay hidden. The thing is we aren't so up ourselves that we think killing someone is the only solution

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A steriotypical answer, It is someoneelse's fault because I have no self control or I didn't teach my kids self control. We have all been on the wrong end of a sharp tongued wife, doesn't mean you solve the problem with a smack in the face, and we have all had to deal with idiot teenagers, while they might need a smackdown that should have been administered long ago. This is the age of self, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and self again.

No one is going to admit to the problem in our societies, we cannot be multicultural, we are not accepting of other cultures. We might eat their food but we don't embrace their religion. We don't worship cows or elephants, we don't worship the moon we only worship ourselves, We don't dress like we are hiding something because we all know from looking in the mirror there is nothing worth hiding, although I admit with some muslim women it is better they stay hidden. The thing is we aren't so up ourselves that we think killing someone is the only solution

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SO the person PROVOKING the incident doesn't share a LOT of the blame? If they spent hours provoking it... they don't get to play the innocent victim card.

There ARE innocent victims... no doubt... but most of the rest had a hand in escalating things until violence was inevitable. That makesthem share blame in what results.

The problem comes down to someone being willing to walk away either for the moment or permanently. Most people will not concede in the heat of an argument