I explain the problems in big cities with high poverty, and low economic opportunities. Neither conservatives,or progressive policy has addressed those issues.

Unlike you who blame everything on progressives, and ignore your own faults.

Poverty and low economic opportunities were always there . That does not explain the breakup of the family unit ,the crime rate and the Black on Black murder rate (Margaret Sanger's wet dream) . It was progressive policies that created dependency on the welfare state and forced low income people into housing project experiments. It's hard to break out of that nanny state dependency even when economic opportunities present themselves . Even Bubba Clintoon understood that . But the emperor dismantled promising reforms and is stearing the nation in many ways to the failed 70s. The lack of emphasis on personal responsibility is a progressive mantra . Always cliched excuses explaining away bad irresponsible behavior.

Let me ask you ;do black lives matter to the emperor and Holder in places like Chicago’s Englewood, Roseland and Humboldt Park ? You don't hear a peep from them even though on some weekends there are more killings there then our worse days in Iraq. In those neighborhoods the cry is "more cops please" .

Manipulated economic conditions (recessions, depressions, corporate stealing, fraud and bankruptcy), hit the least and most vulnerable first and hardest, and give rise to some very unpleasant alternatives. Failure to recognize this only lends to more of it, and the band-aids are ineffective.

If all you hear from those blighted neighborhoods is more cops please, then you are either deaf or dumb because that's not all they have been hollering for but that's ALL they have been provided.

You only hear what you want to hear it seems.

Quote:

---

It was progressive policies that created dependency on the welfare state

---

How did the 8 years of Bush address those?

Quote:

---

You only hear what you want to hear it seems.

---

Hold that thought Tal it speaks bundles for the level of communication. A political process does in fact only hear what it wants to hear because it expects that we on the receiving end of the communications hear what they want us to hear, which is usually move along, nothing to see here

Quote:

---

How did the 8 years of Bush address those?

---

What, did you think the Bush's weren't progressives?

Bush is perceived as progressing war and the response to 9/11, the focus has now turned back to civil rights and associated issues

Try this for an expose' of the Bush legacy
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...w-bushs-legacy

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by paraclete

Bush is perceived as progressing war and the response to 9/11,

---

I should edit my last to emphasize Bush ES, plural. POTUS 41 and 43, and 45 wannabe, are all Big Government authoritarians, just like Bubba was and the current POTUS is. The methodology is slightly different in each case, but the song remains the same.

The Bush family have always been proponents of big government . GW called himself a 'compassionate conservative'. So what he did was give us some of the biggest expansions of the nanny state since LBJ's Great Society . When you add in TARP ,it may have been the biggest expansion since FDR. As you recall ,the Tea Party was born in opposition to TARP .
He campaigned on a platform to reduce the size of gvt. Some of the spending of course was justified given that we had to pivot to war footing . Still his domestic spending was out of control with programs like the 2002 Farm Bill, No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D .Also Bush did not veto any pork bill while the Repubics controlled Congress (and they were spending like drunken Democrats ). What we got instead was stuff like the Bridge to nowhere.

Quote:

---

the biggest expansions of the nanny state since LBJ's Great Society

---

The 1000 Points of Light wasn't cheap, either. Then there was "Read my Lips, No new taxes."

Quote:

---

What we got instead was stuff like the Bridge to nowhere.

---

Where is that bridge?

Alaska .. Sen Ted Steven's great contribution to our bloated budget.
Gravina Island Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

---

The 1000 Points of Light wasn't cheap, either. Then there was "Read my Lips, No new taxes."

---

yes and I'm concerned we'll get a repeat performance if the Repubics nominate Jeb Bush .

I thought you supported the GOP Tom and all things Bush

Clete - there is no solution on this earth for all his whining. Everyone is to blame and it cannot be fixed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by paraclete

I thought you supported the GOP Tom and all things Bush

---

if that's what you think then you haven't been paying attention.

Watch out for those splinters Tom, I see that the cops have done it again, shot an "unarmed" man with a gun in his hand. The man's family said he didn't own a gun.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-2...tation/5988058

the video shows something else.
Videos released of officer-involved shooting

Didn't stop all those who thought the cop got it wrong

The cops handled it without tear gas. Or the national guard, and arrested a few trouble makers.

Quote:

---

arrested a few troublemakers

---

It seems they might have to work much harder in that area, Tal. It must be hard to identify them without profiling, you can't just arrest everyone with a prior conviction or a record of being a general nuiance, but then if you did that...