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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
Here's what you don't get. I have seen NO evidence of Obama INTENTIONALLY perpetrating ANYTHING on his citizens. I dunno WHAT press you're reading that tells you that, but I DON'T read them. And, if I did, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE them. You think, I think LIKE you, but I don't.

What I see, is the damage to the country that you right wingers caused by shutting down the government.. The evidence is CLEAR.

I COULD ask what's wrong with YOU that you don't see it, but I don't think you're a hypocrite.

excon

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Then you haven't paid attention, it's been documented here. A Park Service ranger was quoted as saying they were instructed to make life as difficult as possible, and unless you've been in a coma you would have seen that's exactly what they did. From blocking vets at more than one memorial to forcing senior tourists to stay in the hotel with armed NPS guards that specifically came to protect Old Faithful from having visitors outside to view it, God forbid. But I guess all those pictures, videos, vets and seniors just lied because they hate Obama.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

A Park Sevice ranger was quoted as saying they were instructed to make life as difficult as possible

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Who instructed them to do that?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Who instructed them to do that?

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I don't know, but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

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but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

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Who's that?

Hello again, Steve:

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A Park Service ranger

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A SINGLE Park Service Ranger flapping her gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given..

Same thing with Lois Lerner. A LONE IRS employee flapping HER gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given.

Let me ask you this.. IF your church was closed during the week, and somebody wanted to BREAK in, I'll bet you'd call the cops on 'em.

Do you understand the word CLOSED?

Actually, I don't think you do.

Excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't know, but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

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But it's a government shutdown. It's not an essential service.

A week ago my righty husband went to NC to a family reunion (a sister is slowly dying). He was all for the government shutdown and "let's get back to a smaller government." On his way home to Chicago, my husband wanted to go to Cumberland Gap and the Great Smoky Mts. National Parks. Guess what? That government shutdown wasn't such a good idea after all!

He should've snuck in .They can't close all the trails.

The Rangers abuse certainly was not essential services. It did a lot of damage to a dept that was generally respected in the past.
But now if you ask me ,the Park Service should be outsourced... at least the parts that deal with recreation.

But the good news is that the ones let go from the Park Service could take their new skills at Barrycade building and put it to good use on the border .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

he should've snuck in .They can't close all the trails.

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He's at Chimney Rock and Grandfather Mountain today. Yesterday was the Biltmore Estate and Vanderbilt Mansion. There's enough to see without going to a National Park. Who needs 'em...

I think the civil disobedience of the Vets have been the highlight of this whole sad charade .They illustrated the pettiness of an emperor who would allow the park service to spend more resources closing down open air monuments than they use when the government isn't shut down. Before any of that happened ,a Barrycade should've been placed at Camp David ,and the Congressional gymnasium.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
A SINGLE Park Service Ranger flapping her gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given..

Same thing with Lois Lerner. A LONE IRS employee flapping HER gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given.

Lemme ask you this.. IF your church was closed during the week, and somebody wanted to BREAK in, I'll bet you'd call the cops on 'em.

Do you understand the word CLOSED?

Actually, I don't think you do.

excon

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In other words you don't want to discuss this rationally.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

In other words you don't want to discuss this rationally.

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Now that goes without saying, do you actually think any part of this is rational, this is the lunatic fringe running your country

Yup the emperor and his cohorts are a lunatic fringe

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yup the emperor and his cohorts are a lunatic fringe

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You know Tom from a distance it looks different, you see there are some people who are willing to risk a financial meltdown which affects the whole world to make some lousy domestic point about whether some people get health insurance, looks pretty stupid and just a little gutless from here

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You know Tom from a distance it looks different, you see there are some people who are willing to risk a financial meltdown which affects the whole world to make some lousy domestic point about whether some people get health insurance, looks pretty stupid and just a little gutless from here

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I agree.

It goes much deeper than funding Obamacare.. . and your perception is wrong. The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare . The looming debt ceiling is a manufactured crisis by the emperor that is only connected to the shutdown because the emperor chooses to link the 2 issues. He has already turned down an extension of the debt ceiling because the only way he knows how to govern is to create crisis's to exploit. Remember Rham Emanuel's infamous quote ;

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - YouTube

Hello again, tom:

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The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare

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Nahhhh.. That was last week. This week you guys want... Uhhhh, you guys want... Give me a minute...

Oh, that's right. You want EVERYTHING you'll NEVER win in an election...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

Hello again,

I need some help here... I've been thinking about this. Closed is closed, and that's just so. Nonetheless, I DON'T believe Obama is closing ANYTHING to PUNISH anybody - NOT because he's a wonderful human being - BUT because there's NO upside to it. Now, I'm ALL for political chicanery. I LOVE political TRICKS. I'm IN to tactics that make the Republicans look STUPID...

But, I'm NOT in to a trick that gains NOTHING for your side and gives EVERYTHING to the other side... Can you tell me what Obama GAINS by "punishing" the people?

excon

Hello again,

I also want to know HOW a default isn't really going to BE a default like the Tea Baggers are telling us. Do I need to link you to them? You know who they are.. Tom Coburn, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and others.

I probably don't have to. I'm sure our resident right wingers BELIEVE that crap too.

excon

Are we seeing wingers running out of rocks to throw? Will they have to resort to throwing spit balls? Or have they been hollering so much they ran out of spit too?

Maybe they are not as smart as a box of rocks.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

it goes much deeper than funding Obamacare ... ... and your perception is wrong. The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare . The looming debt ceiling is a manufactured crisis by the emperor that is only connected to the shutdown because the emperor chooses to link the 2 issues. He has already turned down an extension of the debt ceiling because the only way he knows how to govern is to create crisis's to exploit. Remember Rham Emanuel's infamous quote ;

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - YouTube

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Don't give me that Cruz linked the Debt Ceiling to Obamacare