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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
No, but you're part of the borg.


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You will be assimulated into the collective, guess what Ex you have been assimulated, you have hive thinking

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Originally Posted by talaniman

They took many positions the church didn't like back then, and now. Many paid a price of retribution from the church. The church doesn't like science that contradicts its dogma.

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And so them bucking the church doesn't speak to their favor to you guys? This ridiculous meme that people of faith are anti-science idiots is not only pathetic, it contradicts the data - which is in itself illogical and anti-science. If it wasn't for Christian and other religious scientists we wouldn't be where we are today, and as I've noted MANY times here, our own education system was largely the work of the church, so show a little respect people.

I got no problem with scientists who were/are Christians, myself, just the churches who persecute the scientist. Just the loony's who want to replace the growing scientific approach with dogma, left or right, the religion doesn't matter.

It's a myth that the church persecuted scientists .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

it's a myth that the church persecuted scientists .

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Galileo?

Galileo was not taken to task for his science.If Galileo had kept the discussion within the boundaries of astronomy (i.e. predicting planetary motions) and had not claimed physical truth for the heliocentric theory, the issue would not have escalated . Instead it was he who tried to expand his theory into the theological. And he was not "persecuted " either way.

[Galileo] was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[61] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.

Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes he was under house arrest and treated like a king. What does this prove ? He was not 'persecuted' for his science .He crossed the church over his expanding it to theology . By the way ;his science was way off too ;unless you believe the sun is the center of the universe.

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the sun is the center of the universe.

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The Earth certainly isn't (Church belief).

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[60].

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yes he was under house arrest and treated like a king.

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And you'd enjoy that too?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And you'd enjoy that too?

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Lots of distractions here as usual. The fact remains that the attacks on (Christians mostly) religious as being anti-science or dufuses that think they can pray a plane into existence are not based in reality and in fact, are illogical and disrespectful to the contributions to science and education in general by people of faith.

Hello again, Steve:

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dufuses that think they can pray a plane into existence are not based in reality and in fact, are illogical and disrespectful to the contributions to science and education in general by people of faith.

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It certainly MIGHT be..

But, in YOUR reality, the earth was created in 7 days. THAT'S illogical and disrespectful on its face, too. Or, am I mistaken about what YOU believe? If that's NOT your reality, why do you want to teach children that it IS??

What am I to take from your insistence that religion be taught as an alternative to evolution?? What message are you trying to plant in a child's mind? If you teach him that God made the world in 7 days, why WOULDN'T he believe that God could build the rocket ship, if only he prayed hard enough? Why would that be a reach? By teaching creationism or IT, whatever you're calling it these days, you DO want the children to BELIEVE it, don't you?? I don't mean just CONSIDER it, but because he was taught in SCHOOL, to BELIEVE it ABSOLUTELY...

How is that going to further his rocket ship building?? Tell me, please. There must be a reason...

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
It certainly MIGHT be..

But, in YOUR reality, the earth was created in 7 days. THAT'S illogical and disrespectful on its face.

What am I to take from your insistence that religion be taught as an alternative to evolution??? What message are you trying to plant in a child's mind?? If you teach him that God made the world in 7 days, why WOULDN'T he believe that God could build the rocket ship, if only he prayed hard enough?? Why would that be a reach?? By teaching creationism or IT, whatever you're calling it these days, you DO want the children to BELIEVE it, don't you??? I don't mean just CONSIDER it, but because he was taught in SCHOOL, to BELIEVE it ABSOLUTELY... How is that going to further his rocket ship building???? Tell me, please. There must be a reason...

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My reality is I don't believe anyone has PROVEN they're right, but I prefer to remain OPEN minded.

I find it more far-fetched to believe you and I evolved from nothingness by pure chance than it is to believe an intelligent God created it all in 7 days or 7 billion years. That's the kicker to me, you mock us for believing there had to be a guiding hand while you believe organic molecules came out of nothingness and randomly mutated until they became sentient beings capable of inventing rocket ships.

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The Earth certainly isn't (Church belief).

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[60].

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"One does not read in the Gospel that the Lord said: ‘I will send you the Paraclete who will teach you about the course of the sun and moon.’ For he willed to make them Christians, not mathematicians."

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Hello again, Steve:

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That's the kicker to me, you mock us for believing there had to be a guiding hand

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I DON'T mock you for BELIEVING what you do. I mock you because you want to teach RELIGION to my children.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
I DON'T mock you for BELIEVING what you do.

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I saw the picture with your OP.

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I mock you because you want to teach RELIGION to my children.

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There's nothing wrong with teaching about religion, but I believe that point's been made. I guess you'll have to point out what public schools are teaching creationism or ID as scientific fact for me to get too worked up about your outrage.

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Originally Posted by excon

But, in YOUR reality, the earth was created in 7 days. THAT'S illogical and disrespectful on its face, too. Or, am I mistaken about what YOU believe? If that's NOT your reality, why do you want to teach children that it IS??

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Whether it was 6 days or 6 epochs or 6 Billion years that is a question of intrepretation of Scripture and is not the point of religion anyway. Scripture tells us that with God a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. A thousand years is an indeterminate period. You want to seize on one aspect and invalidate everything into a Godless universe with man at its centre. And Yes Ex misquoting Scripture is disrespectful

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What am I to take from your insistence that religion be taught as an alternative to evolution?? What message are you trying to plant in a child's mind? If you teach him that God made the world in 7 days, why WOULDN'T he believe that God could build the rocket ship, if only he prayed hard enough? Why would that be a reach? By teaching creationism or IT, whatever you're calling it these days, you DO want the children to BELIEVE it, don't you?? I don't mean just CONSIDER it, but because he was taught in SCHOOL, to BELIEVE it ABSOLUTELY...

How is that going to further his rocket ship building?? Tell me, please. There must be a reason...

Excon

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Why would a child believe God would build a rocket ship he doesn't need, but God just might inspire that child so that he would become the foremost engineer in astroscience.
I was taught all these things that you consider dumb and yet I interact with the world and have had a successful career. It didn't cause me to become weird although from a moral standpoint I stood apart from some of my companions.

All you prove here Ex is you know nothing about God, not that you know anything about science either

Hey Ex the big bang theory or "evolution" is just another flawed computer model. We could actually be sitting inside a black hole. If we were that would explain a lot of things

Has the Big Bang theory been busted? | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au

What happens to your religion of science and evolution now?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
It certainly MIGHT be..

But, in YOUR reality, the earth was created in 7 days. THAT'S illogical and disrespectful on its face, too. Or, am I mistaken about what YOU believe?? If that's NOT your reality, why do you want to teach children that it IS???

What am I to take from your insistence that religion be taught as an alternative to evolution??? What message are you trying to plant in a child's mind?? If you teach him that God made the world in 7 days, why WOULDN'T he believe that God could build the rocket ship, if only he prayed hard enough?? Why would that be a reach?? By teaching creationism or IT, whatever you're calling it these days, you DO want the children to BELIEVE it, don't you??? I don't mean just CONSIDER it, but because he was taught in SCHOOL, to BELIEVE it ABSOLUTELY...

How is that going to further his rocket ship building???? Tell me, please. There must be a reason...

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Where are you getting the god made the earth is 7 days? I don't know anyone that believes that. But from the bible to science they do agree on how we got here. The only argument is how it started.

Quite a leap of FAITH to BELIEVE something came from nothing .