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Originally Posted by talaniman

Now you know why pregnant daughters don't come to their parents. And you are a good parent. Even if you have taken all the options to abortion off the table in one sentence.

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It's not that cut and dried, Tal and you know it. The culture crafted by the left has made parents the bad guy, it's decades of Planned Parenthood telling kids they don't have to have babies, they don't need their parents' permission, they have the right to have as much sex of whatever type they want, that they'll fight for their right to have an abortion. It's the Hillary Clintons and Melissa Harris-Perrys telling us our kids don't belong to us and schools stepping in where they don't belong.

THAT"S why kids won't talk to their parents, you don't want them to.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It's funny how the righties will pester you for answers but yet they have none.

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Thanks for the confirmation.

Hello again, Steve:

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It's not that cut and dried, Tal and you know it. The culture crafted by the left has made parents the bad guy, it's decades of Planned Parenthood telling kids they don't have to have babies, they don't need their parents' permission,

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Yes, it pretty much is that cut and dried..

If you're half the parent you think you are, you'll have MUCH more influence over your children than ANY outside left wing factors. Of course, I LIVE in an environment that SUPPORTS my beliefs.

You do too. You live in Texas, and your children go to Texas schools, and belong to Christian, conservative clubs (boy scouts), and you take them to church regularly... You don't let the school teach them about sex, and you're FINE with them teaching Intelligent Design...

That IS what they do, in Texas, no? Plus, you probably monitor their phone calls and won't let them see R rated movies and television. Where are they getting these far left signals from, and why can't you counter them with good old fashioned Christian, right wing solutions?

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it pretty much is that cut and dried.. If you're half the parent you think you are, you'll have MUCH more influence over your children than ANY outside left wing factors.

Of course, I LIVE in an environment that SUPPORTS my beliefs. You do too. You live in Texas, and your children go to Texas schools, and belong to Christian, conservative clubs (boy scouts), and you take them to church regularly... You don't let the school teach them about sex, and you're FINE with them teaching Intelligent Design...

That IS what they do, in Texas, no? Plus, you probably monitor their phone calls and won't let them see R rated movies and television. Where are they getting these far left signals from, and why can't you counter them with good old fashioned Christian, right wing solutions?

excon

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Like I told Wondergirl, if you can't argue based on reality and not whatever the hell you want to assign to me then there is no point in this discussion. And you sir, you know I am not the person you describe so quit pretending otherwise.

I maintain that parents have rights, and none of your bullsh*t justifies destroying those rights. Period.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

THAT"S why kids won't talk to their parents, you don't want them to.

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Ummmm, kids weren't talking to their parents back in the 1950s (and before that). It's not what kids do, especially if they are sneaking around and having sex.

With parental rights its also a parents responsibility to love and nurture and have band aids for their boo-boo's. And teach them how to protect themselves in the mean old world and think for themselves when they deal with others, and not just the ones they went to church with.

It's a lifetime job, teaching your kids the tools to survive and thrive, and if parents don't have those tools themselves then the kids cannot be taught. Now you can blame everybody else if you want to, but they do, and will, make their own choices (and mistakes, just like you did) and replace the parents they don't trust with somebody they do trust, especially if they have made a big boo-boo.

LOL, neither my wife or myself agrees with abortion, but you have to deal with reality, facts, and truth, and that is properly educating your kids so they have better options than an abortion, or paying for their boo-boos for a lifetime. No, kids can't have all the sex they want without consequence can they? Some learn the hard way about that truth. Some never recover from their boo-boo's.

Its worse when some parents don't know how to help.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

My actual positions are obviously irrelevant to you as you seem to be blinded by the leftist meme that conservatives are uncaring, heartless b@stards that don't believe in a government safety net or taking care of the child after birth.

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So you have no suggestions to help the 13-year-old who had sex with her 14-year-old boyfriend last night. Of course in a perfect world, she wouldn't have had sex last night but would have been at home crocheting afghans for Christmas gifts. In my day, if she got pregnant, she would have been whisked off to Aunt Dorothy's in Idaho for an 8-month vacation.

So now you are saying government safety nets for all those teen moms are good?

Come on, don't patronize me any more, any of you. It boils down to this, do parents have rights or not? Yes or no, it's a simple question.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Come on, don't patronize me any more, any of you. It boils down to this, do parents have rights or not? Yes or no, it's a simple question.

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Of course, parents have rights. But when their daughter sneaks around having sex without their knowledge, then what?

Hello again, Steve:

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It boils down to this, do parents have rights or not? Yes or no, it's a simple question.

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No, it's NOT a simple question.

When parents rights bump up against the rights of their children, parents don't always win. Does a parent have the right to put a chastity belt on their children? Does a parent have a right to CHOOSE who his children date? Does a parent have the RIGHT to refuse his maybe pregnant daughter, access to Plan B?

The answers to the above, are NO. A parent's right does NOT trump his children's rights.

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Originally Posted by excon

Does a parent have a right to CHOOSE who his children date?

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And the more a parent says no, the more attractive that person is. Like a moth to a flame.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

No, it's NOT a simple question.

When parents rights bump up against the rights of their children, parents don't always win. Does a parent have the right to put a chastity belt on their children? Does a parent have a right to CHOOSE who his children date? Does a parent have the RIGHT to refuse his maybe pregnant daughter, access to Plan B?

The answers to the above, are NO. A parent's right does NOT trump his children's rights.

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They don't always win? No kidding.

I sorely disagree, but that's not surprising as you advocate the same kind of liberal bullsh*t that put us here. The answers to your questions aren't so simple either. I bet if you asked those questions of America most parents would side with me, yes we have the right to determine who our MINOR children date and set the rules, though I know of no one who has a chastity belt in mind so that's rather stupid. But so is this idea that the state owns your kids and makes a better parent.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

yes we have the right to determine who our MINOR children date and set the rules

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I agree. But you are not with them 24/7, and kids are kids and do what they can get away with. It's amazing how creative minor daughters can get when they want to attract and keep and amuse a boyfriend. If I had a dollar for every question that gets posted on this site, "I'm only 13 and had unprotected sex last night [or last week or last month]. Could I be pregnant? I'm scared to talk to my parents," I could move to Colorado.

I of course agree with speech . Your side has marginalized parental authority and substituted it for the "Village " commons. Then when the inevidible fallout of that failed premise rears it's ugly head ,you offer more big government solution.

I'm quite certain that the very small minority of all pre-teen girls that end up in these situations have parents that run the gamut of political inclinations. Being liberal or conservative isn't a solution or the cause. It must be something else.

I think the point us liberals try to make is us parents have to work together to watch over and protect our kids. Teachers, parents, and neighbors, aunts, uncles grandparents. Buts its not just liberals as many of my conservative friends think the same way.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I'm quite certain that the very small minority of all pre-teen girls that end up in these situations have parents that run the gamut of political inclinations. Being liberal or conservative isn't a solution or the cause. It must be something else.

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I was the daughter of very conservative Republican parents (father a Lutheran pastor). It would not have been all that difficult for me to have had sex even back in the early '60s (slip away from the church youth group square dance and into the hay loft?), despite my parents' excellent parenting. I lived in a Republican town and county with heavy parental oversight of their daughters, some of whom DID get pregnant during their teens.

I agree that it must be "something else."

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I think the point us liberals try to make is us parents have to work together to watch over and protect our kids. Teachers, parents, and neighbors, aunts, uncles grandparents. Buts its not just liberals as many of my conservative friends think the same way.

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And then you undermine that parental /family authority by taking decisions away from them. The child is not compelled to listen to their parents .All options for an alternate can be found at the local drug store. It won't be long before it's completely "free" too .

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I'm quite certain that the very small minority of all pre-teen girls that end up in these situations have parents that run the gamut of political inclinations. Being liberal or conservative isn't a solution or the cause. It must be something else.

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Well that was irrelevant to anything that was said.

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Well that was irrelevant to anything that was said.

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Don't think I've met anyone as bitter as yourself.
I guess you feel that all bad things must have a political motivation and someone is to blame. I don't share that train of thought.