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Originally Posted by cdad

I dont know as I dont grill my friends as you are attempting to do here. I accept them without having to question it. It is their choice. Not mine.

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So you consciously chose the sexual orientation to be straight. 0n your sixth birthday? When?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Sexual orientation is NOT a civil right. Its the way you are born. If all men are created equal, how can you define gay people as less. And how much less are they? 3/5ths, half, or LESS?

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If it is not a civil right then you can't use the 14th amendment to defend being gay. That is the point of the argument. It was implied earlier that it was.

If it were elevated to a civil right then you open the door to anything goes based on preference.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So you consciously chose the sexual orientation to be straight. 0n your sixth birthday? when?

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It goes further back then my memories take me. Before 6 years old.

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It goes further back then my memories take me. Before 6 years old.

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C'mon. You didn't choose anything. You were always straight. You were born straight.

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C'mon. You didn't choose anything. You were always straight.

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The choice to act upon it. Have you missed that part of the argument?

Are you still contending that sexual preference is a civil right?

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The choice to act upon it. Have you missed that part of the argument?

Are you still contending that sexual preference is a civil right?

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Preference or orientation? There's a difference.

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Preference or orientation? There's a difference.

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Preference. As it is a choice to participate.

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Preference. As it is a choice to participate.

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Participate in what? So a same-sex couple could marry as long as they don't consummate the marriage?

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Participate in what? So a same-sex couple could marry as long as they don't consummate the marriage?

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Nope. That is against the law.

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Nope. That is against the law.

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Well, then, as long as they don't "participate," it should be legal.

I'm with excon --

This is really simple.. people who joined in civil unions DID NOT have the same rights as those who entered marriage... The challenge to DOMA is about THOSE rights...

excon

Civil unions are NOT the same as marriage, do not convey nearly the same large number of rights.

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Well, then, as long as they don't "participate," it should be legal.

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Actually no. In many states that would be grounds for divorce. Also marriage under false pretense.

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I'm with excon --

This is really simple.. people who joined in civil unions DID NOT have the same rights as those who entered marriage... The challenge to DOMA is about THOSE rights...

excon

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Why didn't they have the same rights?

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Why didnt they have the same rights?

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Because conservative Christians said marriage is between a male and a female (never mind the OT record of mistresses and concubines -- one man and how ever many women).

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Because conservative Christians said marriage is between a male and a female (never mind the OT record of mistresses and concubines -- one man and how ever many women).

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But you didn't answer the question. Why didn't civil unions have the same rights?

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But you didnt answer the question. Why didnt civil unions have the same rights?

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Tell me.

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Tell me.

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I asked you first :)

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Originally Posted by cdad

I asked you first :)

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I'm just a feeble-minded woman. :D Tell me.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'm just a feeble-minded woman. Tell me.

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Too late now. Maybe a trip to the library is in order for you.

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Too late now. Maybe a trip to the library is in order for you.

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Library's closed. I'll ask tal or excon.