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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think there is much room for improvement, and I think we can and should build on what we have done so far. Why stop now?

What progress does this stop?

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The standards are in conjunction with the EPA and prevent inovative ways of making things much more efficient. So once they have a "standard" then there is no need to reach above the bar. It is a disincentive to all of us to hold everything back.

I think I see what your driving at. Once a goal is reached then the creative thinking for a better product declines? Couldn't raising the bar a bit higher help with that?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think I see what your driving at. Once a goal is reached then the creative thinking for a better product declines? Couldn't raising the bar a bit higher help with that?

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Not really as then you obtain unreachable goals with the way they demand it being done. You have to understand that they are stuck on the stochiometric standard. If they remove it then we could go places where there are no such limitations. Instead with this in place your limited in the scope of your thinking.

Comes down to a reliable long lasting power source if I understand you correctly. That is the key and like everything else the support and delivery system around it. We seem to be having the same problem in lighting our cities too.

For now we are limited.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Comes down to a reliable long lasting power source if I understand you correctly. That is the key and like everything else the support and delivery system around it. We seem to be having the same problem in lighting our cities too.

For now we are limited.

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Do you have a problem lighting your cities? I thought that only happened in the third world. When I was in Pakistan it reminded me of the days of my childhood when power interruptions were frequent but such problems have long since been solved by digging up some deep green. I know that is out of favour but reality demonstrates that we have not had to build a power station in many years since we exported all our polluting industries to China, where I didn't see the sun from the time I got there until the time I left

The problem is not lighting the cities, its more maintaining an aging grid subject to failures under stress, like from the weather. We don't even prune the trees back from transmission lines any more due to cut backs.

You can't get away with that here once it was proven that power lines cause catastrophic fire events but then our transmission lines aren't in private hands