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Originally Posted by tomder55

A Papal encyclical is timeless.

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To whom?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Why not smoothy they have already claimed he was a socialist, he fed people for free and took the kid's lunch to do it, he healed the sick and didn't ask a fee for it, he advocated paying taxes, his people held property in common and had social welfare programs.

The right wing want to claim him but they won't implement his programs

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Because there is a huge difference between helping someone in a particular single instance... and giving them a free ride for life for everything.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Why not smoothy they have already claimed he was a socialist, he fed people for free and took the kid's lunch to do it, he healed the sick and didn't ask a fee for it, he advocated paying taxes, his people held property in common and had social welfare programs.

The right wing want to claim him but they won't implement his programs

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Acts 5 : 1-4... did not Ananias and Sapphira own the land they sold... and the money from the sale “at [his] disposal.” ?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's the world they live in.

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So truth is no longer truth because of a date?

Right to bear arms was written for single shot muscats, now you guys claim it means semi automatic rifles with 30 round clips.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Right to bear arms was written for single shot muscats, now you guys claim it means semi automatic rifles with 30 round clips.

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The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Acts 5 : 1-4 ....did not Ananias and Sapphira own the land they sold ...and the money from the sale “at [his] disposal.” ?

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And what happened to those two? And why?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.

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The men who wrote that had no clue what the next decade years would bring, much less what this millennium would be like.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And what happened to those two? and why?

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They died because they lied to the Holy Spirit... not because they lied to men about the sale. As the passage clearly points out... the land and the money was theirs to do as they pleased... ie private property ownership.

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they died because they lied to the Holy Spirit

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And the lie was about what?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The men who wrote that had no clue what the next decade years would bring, much less what this millennium would be like.

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Irrelevant, it was written for a purpose and that purpose has not changed.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Irrelevant, it was written for a purpose and that purpose has not changed.

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We are governed by a foreign nation with hired soldiers we must fight?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We are governed by a foreign nation with hired soldiers we must fight?

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It was adopted in 1791, roughly 8 years after the Revolutionary War ended.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It was adopted in 1791, roughly 8 years after the Revolutionary War ended.

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But they might have recaptured us.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But they might have recaptured us.

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Precisely, self defense against enemies foreign or domestic.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.

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It also could have easily said MUSKET... but it didn't , it said arms... for a very good reason as you said. It meant a variety of weapons... unlike the average liberal... these guys were able to actually think.

Well, they did sack Washington indicating that as a policy, it was a failure, but the diehards never admit their mistake and two hundred years later they still cling to the idea of vigilantism as the answer to societies crises

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Originally Posted by smoothy

It also could have easily said MUSKET ...but it didn't , it said arms....for a very good reason as you said. It meant a variety of weapons...unlike the average liberal....these guys were able to actually think.

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Who will be fighting? About what? And using what against drones, various gases, bazookas, tanks, and nuclear bombs?

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Who will be fighting?

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Police say that just before midnight Wednesday, two armed men burst into Harris's home in the 4300 block of NW 16th Avenue, demanding cash.

Stewart and her 11-year-old daughter were asleep at the time.

Harris's mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, said, “When the mother came into the room, someone put a gun to her head and made the father get down on the floor.”

Harris's cousin, Arnica Perez, said “When one of the gunmen tried to go to the daughter's room, that's when they wrestled and they struggled and he shot him.”

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http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13...home-invasion/
Maurice Harris deserved the chance to defend himself ,his family ,the home from invaders who would obtain a weapon regardless of the law prohibiting it . That's who the law abiding citizen is fighting against. The police as usual are there to do the post incident report.

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That's who the law abiding citizen is fighting against.

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I thought the arming is for a militia against the government.

Harris is lucky his daughter didn't get her hands on the gun.