Christmas is a secular holiday, Ex, an excuse for excess which is completely unbiblical. People will find excuses for a public holiday and Christmas is as good an excuse as any

Yeah I know . Christmas was a sinister plot of the papists .Thank God for D-ckens .

Christmas is the biggest money maker for the retail businesses.

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yeah I know . Christmas was a sinister plot of the papists .Thank God for D-ckens .

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I don't subscribe to the papist plot theory, just a misguided attempt to be all things to all people. After Dlcken's book Christmas became more popular, but he also wrote a version of the Gospel, maybe he thought the story need an update. I have no problem with celebrating Christ's birth, December 25th probably isn't the appropriate date as it has strong pagan overtones.

I do object to the Coca-Cola commercialisation of Christmas which ultimately led too much of the nonsense we have today

Those of us of faith keep it in perspective. We can have both the religious and the (dare I say it) secular national celebration.But the anti-Christmas crowd would deny the religious while fully embracing the secular celebration.

Tom I think the anti-Christmas crowd would like to see the whole lot swept away, but capitalism being what it is, Christmas will not die while the last capitalist lives. Go have your little Bachanaille, actually my daughter has called off Christmas this year. It is very hard to get into the Christmas spirit under a blazzing sun

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Hello again,

I LOVE the liberal NY Times. Not being a learned man, I always enjoy a bit of history... Turns out the Puritans weren't too gung ho for Christmas, either... In fact, the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony went one step further and actually outlawed the celebration of Christmas. From 1659 to 1681, anyone caught celebrating Christmas in the colony would be fined five shillings.

Indeed, the Puritan War on Christmas lasted up to 1870, when Christmas became a legally recognized federal holiday. Until then, men and women were expected to go to work, stores were expected to remain open, and many churches did not even hold religious services.

Whoda thunk all that?

excon

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So now you're a fan of a religious-based democracy and economy? Who'd a thunk it?

Hello again, Steve:

Been nipping at the egg nog, huh?

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

Been nipping at the egg nog, huh?

excon

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If only. But since you love the Puritan "war on Christmas" as you call it I figure I should remind you it was a religious war.

To ex, what you forgot you had toadjust your line upyeterday???????????

Christmas may be an official federal holiday, but its only one of many others that may not be as popular or sanctioned. That's where the war is with putting one over another and expecting all to be down with that.

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To ex, what you forgot you had toadjust your line upyeterday???????????

Christmas may be an official federal holiday, but its only one of many others that may not be as popular or sanctioned. Thats where the war is with putting one over another and expecting all to be down with that.

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The war is on religious freedom.

P.S. I'm not forgetting to set my lineup...

Hello again,

I LOVE religious liberty - just NOT in the public square. You can celebrate ANYTHING you want in the privacy of your own home... But, I OWN the public square just like you do. You DON'T have free reign there. To THINK you do and ACT on it, IMPOSES on MY religious freedom.

excon

PS> Ain't got no lineup. Ain't got no team. Ain't got no season..

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ain't got no home
No place to roam
I ain't got a home
No place to roam
I'm a lonely boy
I ain't got a home

I ain't got no sister
I ain't got a brother
I ain't got a father
Not even a mother
I'm a lonely boy
I ain't got a home

Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo

Well, I got a voice
And I love to sing
I can sing like a bird
And I can sing like a frog
I'm a lonely boy
I ain't got a home

I ain't got a girl
I ain't got a son
I ain't got no kin
I ain't got no one
I'm a lonely frog
I ain't got a home

Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo

Madam, take me in
Let me be your friend
Won't you take me in
Let me be your friend
I'm a lonely boy
I ain't got a home

Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo

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Clarence Frogman Henry

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Hello again,

I LOVE religious liberty - just NOT in the public square. You can celebrate ANYTHING you want in the privacy of your own home... But, I OWN the public square just like you do. You DON'T have free reign there. To THINK you do and ACT on it, IMPOSES on MY religious freedom.

excon

PS> Ain't got no lineup. Ain't got no team. Ain't got no season..

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You could always play for first loser or miss congeniality or something.

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Clarence Frogman Henry

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I like The Band's version.

I heard that they will have to change the words of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus" to "I saw daddy kissing Santa Claus" to be more PC, ha ha.

Long as its not the reindeer I guess its cool.