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one of ours:



It is a fantastic hospital, one of the best in the country and I wasn't using mere words looking for first amendment protection - history is on my side. You'd be ok with it shutting down rather than violate its beliefs.

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It believes in women using contraception so I guess it's a respectable hospital (and this is without anyone telling them to do so):
Birth control options for women

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Birth Control Options
Birth control options for women include:
Hormonal contraceptives, such as birth control pills, skin patch, vaginal ring
Intrauterine devices (IUDs)
Barrier devices, such as condoms, diaphragm, and the cervical cap
Fertility awareness methods
Sterilization

You do realize that does not necessarily reflect the views of the Hospital, it's provided by ADAM.

Hello again, Steve:

The hospitals won't shut down.. The church will have to get used to their hospitals BEING hospitals INSTEAD of church's, which IS reality, after all. If they can't, then they'll be sold.

excon

I can't wait until this regime mandates that Muslim providers must perform vasectomies.

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I can't wait until this regime mandates that Muslim providers must perform vasectomies.

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Nice try but still utterly, totally, completely, unequivocally irrelevant to the issue.

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Hello again, Steve:

The hospitals won't shut down.. The church will have to get used to their hospitals BEING hospitals INSTEAD of church's, which IS reality, after all. If they can't, then they'll be sold.

excon

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Nah just hand them over to Pope Obama (he became Pope in a recess appointment ) .

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Nice try but still utterly, totally, completely, unequivocally irrelevant to the issue.

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How so?

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How so?

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Wait until the Republicans try to kill all liberals, then people will understand their crazy regime!

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Hello again, Steve:

And, if I wanted First Amendment protections, I'd say that too...

But, I've been to a church, and I've been to a hospital.. They AIN'T the same thing. They're not even close.

Lemme ask you this.. Let's say I started the Church of Blessed Marijuana. Would I be protected? Why not? Under the First Amendment, I absolutely believe that I SHOULD be protected. But, if I opened a medical cannabis dispensary, I'd need a city license, and I'd need to pay sales tax... No????

excon

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Hi Ex,

In the end it will probably be up to the black robed oligarchs of the supreme court to make the call.

Tut

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Wait until the Republicans try to kill all liberals, then people will understand their crazy regime!

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Well, that was an unhinged remark.

If insurance pays for viagra, then why not pay for the pill? Oh that's right, the catholic church don't think woman are as entitled as men.

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Hi Ex,

In the end it will probably be up to the black robed oligarchs of the supreme court to make the call.

Tut

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Indeed it will... This dictate comes close to the antics the national statists pulled on the Catholic Church in the 1930s in Europe.

Hello:

Let me say again, church's are given their exemption from taxes BECAUSE they're churches.. If they want to BE something else, that's cool, they certainly may be, but they're no longer churches.

excon

Get rid of the tax exemption. That shouldn't be a quid pro quo for the state to dictate terms that are morally offensive and if it is then shame on the state . Just the fact that the church is providing these non-profit services should be enough to justify the tax breaks . But if the state is going to use the tax break as a yoke around the churches neck then I just as soon it was ended.

Tom you know as well as I do that it suits government to have churches provide services to the community, it means they don't have to do it

yes of course. This stuff going on is getting earily similar to the Reichskonkordat the church was forced to sign .

"We should trap the priests by their notorious greed and self indulgence. We shall thus be able to settle everything with them in perfect peace and harmony. I shall give them a few years reprieve. Why should we quarrel? They will swallow anything in order to keep their material advantages. Matters will never come to a head. They will recognise a firm will, and we need only show them once or twice who is the master. They will know which way the wind blows"
[Adolf Hitler quoted in 'The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany' by Guenter Lewy ]

To do the services under the terms the state imposes ,if it goes against the church's values ,is a deal with the devil.

The Church has been dealing with the devil for two thousand years, this is why you don't hear them mention him often

Like I said, once you get the church out of the 'business' of helping people, you're not going to like it much. I can hear it now, "if only we hadn't forced the church to stop feeding people, clothing people, providing health care, helping out in disasters, ministering to prisoners, taking care of orphans and abused women..."

Be careful what you ask for. I'm just sayin'...

They have been dealing with this issue for so long that an exemption is inevitable. Case closed. Its all over except the shouting, and 98% of catholic women will continue to get their contraceptions, as they have all along. The poor catholics can still go to planned parent hood, like they have been doing. To bad the repubs are on the wrong side of women's health issues. Well the ones who are running for president anyway. I just can't see repubs females voting for some one that takes away the pill, or makes it hard to get.

Obviously nobody listens to the celibate old guy who protect pedophiles.

Who the hell is trying to take away the pill? Come on Tal, get real.