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Originally Posted by talaniman

LOL Tom, since when do foreign leaders set our policies for us? If he had REALLY wanted us to stay, wouldn't he give in to what we offered. Thats not what happened. He wanted us to stay for HIS purpose, on HIS terms, and we rightfully said NO!!

Ever since Obama took office we have... he cares more about what others think than what WE think... He couldn't care less about what the American public wants... unless there's something in it for him.

You may be part of the American public, and many might agree with your position, but I bet that "others" do not. I would also bet that MOST do NOT.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You may be part of the American public, and many might agree with your position, but I bet that "others" do not. I would also bet that MOST do NOT.

Really... the Polls say otherwise.

Show me.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Show me.

He doesn't deal with facts... jus' sayin'. :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

He doesn't deal with facts...jus' sayin'. :)

YOU , never deal with facts...

The left in general live in a state of denial... oblivious to reality when reality isn't what they wish it is...

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama

And most of those that DO like him are the freeloaders that don't pay their fair share of taxes... in fact... don't pay any at all. They think they are entitled to a free ride at the expense of others.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

And most of those that DO like him are the freeloaders that don't pay their fair share of taxes...in fact....don't pay any at all. They think they are entitled to a free ride at the expense of others.

Strange argument against someone who wants to raise tax. You think that the people who are least able to pay should pay more tax and therefore endure hardship while the real loafers in this world, the speculators should pay less. I'll suggest this to you 10% is a fair tax so when you can demonstrate and I don't mean averages that the rich truly pay at this level, I would suggest that your argument might hold water. By the way this payroll tax thing is joke you don't want 6% deducted. From what I hear most of it is refunded. Do you have a tax system over there or a farce designed to make work

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Originally Posted by smoothy

YOU , never deal with facts.....

The left in general live in a state of denial...oblivious to reality when reality isn't what they wish it is...

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama

And most of those that DO like him are the freeloaders that don't pay their fair share of taxes...in fact....don't pay any at all. They think they are entitled to a free ride at the expense of others.

You mean the rich and corporations who pay no taxes, and create NO jobs? Yes they are freeloaders too, on the backs of us hard working honest taxpayers.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Stange argument against someone who wants to raise tax. You think that the people who are least able to pay should pay more tax and therefore endure hardship while the real loafers in this world, the speculators should pay less. I'll suggest this to you 10% is a fair tax so when you can demonstrate and I don't mean averages that the rich truly pay at this level, I would suggest that your argument might hold water. by the way this payroll tax thing is joke you don't want 6% deducted. From what I hear most of it is refunded. Do you have a tax system over there or a farce designed to make work

We agree Clete, the tax system is rigged, and allows extraction of wealth, by the wealthy. And the peoples failure to hold politicians accountable.

The system or lack of it

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Originally Posted by talaniman

We agree Clete, the tax system is rigged, and allows extraction of wealth, by the wealthy. And the peoples failure to hold politicians accountable.

Sorry Tal did you hit the delete button in the middle of your text or has the phantom editor struck again. I don't understand how the tax system is linked to failure at the ballot box

American politicians are bought and paid for by whomever makes the highest bid. The really ambitious special interests buy the whole party as evidenced by party line votes with not one single member having an independent thought. The founders were not exactly paupers on the average but they did have the best interest of the country at heart I believe. That value is seriously lacking today and there is possibly a big price to be paid.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Sorry Tal did you hit the delete button in the middle of your text or has the phantom editor struck again. I don't understand how the tax system is linked to failure at the ballot box

By Smearcase
"American politicians are bought and paid for by whomever makes the highest bid. The really ambitious special interests buy the whole party as evidenced by party line votes with not one single member having an independent thought. The founders were not exactly paupers on the average but they did have the best interest of the country at heart I believe. That value is seriously lacking today and there is possibly a big price to be paid."

If the electorate doesn't pay attention, and elect responsible people to take care of their interests, and not what corporate America wants, then the tax code will not be fair, nor will any other endeavor of governing be in the best interest of the people.

I point to as an example the last election, where the tea party swept into the HOUSE, along with republican governors through out the states. Now we have a faction in the HOUSE who cannot govern since their goal is to shrink government, and let corporations rule in the vacuum, while governors assault the poor, and working classes, and seek to disenfranchise the right to vote in what's clearly a class war for corporate take over.

So yes, its important to know who you elect, on the federal, state and even local levels because you never know who tries to profit on your ignorance.

That faction being Speaker Bonehead and the establishment Repubics .

Or the uncompromising tea party, led by Eric "the snake" Cantor.

Naaahhh . Speaker Bonehead let the President highjack the tax cutter mantle this week... ridiculous . He has to go. Cantor is also an insider . I'm looking for Paul Ryan to lead the party if they have any hope.

Do you think a 2 month extension of a bad tax cut is a good thing ? Why should a bad idea get passed in the spirit of compromise ?

Bad Tax Cut??

I need that 42 bucks!! Keep it going for the rest of the year!!

And if you can't take a few bucks from multi millionaires, then leave my freaking check alone!!

Are you serious??

Sorry I don't trust any of those "young guns"! Plus we all know it will be another hostage situation in 2 months any way.

As the President designed it. He wants to demogogue that raid on the Social Security fund throughout the campaign.

Point 5 percent surtax on the second million dollars doesn't sound like too much to ask for when we need some kind of job creation. Now just me, if the banks can be saved, and now they are rolling in dough instead of BROKE, point 5 percent as a return is more than fair.

Then you don't have to raid social security, which is probably the right wing goal any way. That's the whole problem. You know how that looks? Making granny pay while protecting the irresponsible rich guys who ruined things.

We would increase growth, and GDP if republicans would get out of the way and stop watering down initiatives, and then holler they don't work. You can't move forward with an anchor on your back, or by going back to the good old days, of blind dumb following like sheep.

There's some red meat for you Tom.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Do you think a 2 month extention of a bad tax cut is a good thing ? Why should a bad idea get passed in the spirit of compromise ?

Hello again, tom:

Politically speaking, if you're the tax cut party, it's a BAD idea to be AGAINST a tax cut.

Besides, I think a two month tax cut for middle class people is MUCH better than a TEN YEAR tax cut for the rich..

excon

There is no such thing as a good temporary tax adjustment either cut or increase. 2 months is absurd .

The TP Republicans are more than willing to allow the payroll tax cut to be permanent. They were willing to let it go on temporarily for another year. It's the President that wants it to be an issue throughout the election cycle so they can keep feeding lines to tal about the obstructionist Congress.