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  • Aug 7, 2011, 06:33 PM
    talaniman

    Quote:

    A new Congressional Budget Office report shows premiums will increase
    For some Americans with individual coverage. However, most people
    Who get insurance through their employer won’t see a big difference in
    Premiums.
    Premiums were rising dramatically anyway,

    Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote:

    October 14 Independent analysis commissioned by the Blue Cross Blue Shield
    Association through Oliver Wyman Inc. an international management
    Consulting firm, also shows that the current health bill in Congress will
    Not reduce costs. Its research indicates the legislation will actually lead to
    50% higher premiums.

    October 12 Americas Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) announces a new study it has
    Commissioned through PriceWaterhouseCoopers that shows how current
    Legislation will actually raise health care costs, not reduce them.
    An study by the insurance industry? Really? No I mean REALLY?

    Study the CBO scoring,

    Congressional Budget Office - H.R. 4872, Reconciliation Act of 2010

    Quote:

    And there are penalties for not buying into the system. The IRS will be making sure of that. They also wish to tax people for "premium plans". That's like saying rather then drive what we can afford we all have to drive the same car.
    None of that is in the bill. If you don't want in get a waiver, or forget the tax deduction.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 08:24 AM
    speechlesstx
    I can only guess that this is the type of coverage more to Kerry's liking:

    http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-conten...n-newsweek.jpg

    Exactly when has Bachmann "raged" abut anything? Did Newsweek crown anyone king or queen of rage for calling Republicans terrorists or the Hezbollah faction of the GOP? Or as Ed Morrisey put it, "When Barack Obama told an audience in June 2008 that “if they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun,” did Newsweek crown him the King of Rage"?

    Good thing Newsweek is relegated to subscribers consisting solely of Democratic Underground members.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:07 AM
    NeedKarma


    10 Of The Craziest Things Michele Bachmann Has Ever Said | ThinkProgress
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    (1) BACHMANN WARNED ‘THE LION KING’ WAS GAY PROPAGANDA: At the November 2004 EdWatch National Education Conference, Bachmann said the “normalization” of homosexuality would lead to “desensitization”: “Very effective way to do this with a bunch of second graders, is take a picture of ‘The Lion King’ for instance, and a teacher might say, ‘Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?’ The message is: I’m better at what I do, because I’m gay.”

    (2) BACHMANN CLAIMED ABOLISHING THE MINIMUM WAGE WOULD CREATE JOBS: While testifying in front of the Minnesota Senate in 2005, Bachmann said, “Literally, if we took away the minimum wage — if conceivably it was gone — we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.” This isn’t remotely true. Even simply reducing the minimum wage would, as Paul Krugman noted, “at best do nothing for employment; more likely it would actually be contractionary.”

    (3) BACHMANN CLAIMED THAT SCIENTISTS ARE SUPPORTERS OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN: During a 2006 debate, Bachmann said, “There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.” This was, and is, not true.

    (4) BACHMANN CLAIMED TERRI SCHIAVO WAS ‘HEALTHY’: Not long after Terri Schiavo died, Bachmann said she would have voted for the Palm Sunday Compromise because Schiavo “was healthy. She had brain damage — there was brain damage, there was no question. But from a health point of view, she was not terminally ill.” An autopsy found that Schiavo had suffered irreversible brain damage and her brain, said the medical examiner, was “profoundly atrophied.”

    (5) BACHMANN LIKENED VISITING IRAQ TO VISITING MALL OF AMERICA: In 2007, Bachmann returned from a junket to Iraq and told her colleagues, “[T]here’s a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it’s on that proportion. There’s marble everywhere. The other thing I remarked about was there is water everywhere.” As ThinkProgress documented at the time, the comparison was preposterous.

    (6) BACHMANN CLAIMED THAT CARBON DIOXIDE IS ‘HARMLESS’: In 2008, a Stanford scientist revealed “direct links” between increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and “increases in human mortality” — globally, he found that as many as “20,000 air-pollution-related deaths per year per degree Celsius may be due to this greenhouse gas.” The next year, Bachmann, who is not a scientist, said that “carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.”

    (7) BACHMANN CALLED FOR A CONGRESSIONAL WITCH HUNT: Pivoting off the news of Barack Obama’s alleged relationship to former Weather Underground member William Ayers, and his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bachmann accused the candidate of having “anti-American views.” She then suggested that Congressional liberals — including Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid — ought to be subject to “an exposé” by the media because of their views. “I think people would love to see like that,” she told a stunned Chris Matthews.

    (8) BACHMANN SUGGESTED GAY SINGER SHOULD REPENT AFTER GETTING CANCER: Bachmann saw Melissa Etheridge’s cancer as a teachable moment: “Unfortunately she is now suffering from breast cancer, so keep her in your prayers,” she said in November 2004. “This may be an opportunity for her now to be open to some spiritual things, now that she is suffering with that physical disease. She is a lesbian.”

    (9) BACHMANN BOASTED ABOUT BREAKING THE LAW: In advance of the 2010 national Census, Bachmann told The Washington Times that she would break the law by not completing the forms. “I know for my family, the only question we will be answering is how many people are in our home,” she said. “We won’t be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that.”

    (10) BACHMANN CLAIMED THAT GLENN BECK COULD SOLVE THE DEBT CRISIS: During a February trip to South Carolina, Bachmann told a South Carolina audience, “I think if we give Glenn Beck the numbers, he can solve this [the national debt].”
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:12 AM
    excon

    Hello Steve;

    It's not what she said. It's how she looks.

    excon
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:22 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Steve;

    It's not what she said. It's how she looks.

    excon

    Now, now ex, republican like their woman politicians perty, it diverts from the content that they say and makes the base vote with the other head.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:25 AM
    speechlesstx
    I didn't see any rage there, NK. Where was the rage? I have never see her rage.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Now, now ex, republican like their woman politicians perty, it diverts from the content that they say and makes the base vote with the other head.

    How totally inappropriate on so many levels, but I'm sure you'll get away with it no problem.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:36 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    How totally inappropriate on so many levels, but I'm sure you'll get away with it no problem.

    Should I have used your sarcasm font?
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:37 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I didn't see any rage there, NK. Where was the rage? I have never see her rage.

    Rage can take many forms, I think she has the more passive-aggressive form of it. But no, she doesn't froth at the mouth if that's what you are aiming at.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:47 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Rage can take many forms, I think she has the more passive-aggressive form of it. But no, she doesn't froth at the mouth if that's what you are aiming at.

    In other words, she doesn't rage.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 09:51 AM
    NeedKarma
    Ok. She just says nutty things which is unfortunate for a presidential candidate.
    I guess you won't be subscribing to Newsweek. I'm sure there are other more right-wing magazines you can endorse.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 10:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Ok. She just says nutty things which is unfortunate for a presidential candidate.
    I guess you won't be subscribing to Newsweek. I'm sure there are other more right-wing magazines you can endorse.

    No one is subscribing to Newsweek any more (easy to see why) and I'm more a Sports Illustrated guy.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 10:25 AM
    NeedKarma
    There you go - the free market cures all.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 12:53 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Premiums were rising dramatically anyway,

    Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    An study by the insurance industry?? Really? No I mean REALLY??

    Study the CBO scoring,

    Congressional Budget Office - H.R. 4872, Reconciliation Act of 2010



    None of that is in the bill. If you don't want in get a waiver, or forget the tax deduction.




    I was just quoting your sources. And there will be penalties. Again your source shows the IRS will be involved.

    Heading: Payments of Penalties for Being Uninsured Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (April 22, 2010)


    Among those who are subject to the penalty, many will voluntarily report on their tax returns that they are uninsured and pay the amount owed. However, other individuals will try to avoid making payments. Therefore, the estimates presented here account for likely compliance rates, as well as the ability of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to administer and collect the penalty. In total, about 4 million people are projected to pay a penalty because they will be uninsured in 2016 (a figure that includes uninsured dependents who have the penalty paid on their behalf).
    CBO and JCT estimate that total collections from those penalties will be about $4 billion per year over the 2017–2019 period. The attached table shows the distribution of payments that are projected to be made for being uninsured in 2016 (which the IRS will actually collect in 2017) by income measured as a percentage of the federal poverty level (FPL). In general, households with lower income will pay the flat dollar penalty, and households with higher income will pay a percentage of their income. In 2016, households with income that exceeds 400 percent of the FPL are estimated to constitute about one-third of people paying penalties and to account for about two-thirds of the receipts from those penalties.




    Take note that at a minimum they will be trying to collect 4 billion a year in penalties.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 03:39 PM
    talaniman

    Actually the penalties that will be levied in 2017 are in line with what most states already have, and seems to be a standard according to income as seen in Massachusetts,

    TIR 09-1: Individual Mandate Penalties for Tax Year 2009 (Updated)

    It's a choice, and a responsibility, much like car insurance, and seat belts. Yes and many do pay the penalty as Mass. Has a 97% compliance. But the presumption is there will be enough options that EVERYONE has access to affordable health regardless of income. As you know every state can have its own plan, as long as it complies with the guidelines set by the Federal government. No doubt they will do as as Mass. Does, so if your Governor says so, you won't have to pay that penalty.

    I think your rush to label this bad legislation, fails to acknowledge facts that are already made apparent as many of these reforms in the Affordable Care Act have already gone into affect, and has been received tremendously already. I mean from what's already been started what do you object to that makes this "bad" legislation. Be specific Dad!! I mean not having seat belts is 75 bucks a pop, and since most people I know, especially with kids, see insurance as a necessity.

    Obama has made it plain that he is open to ideas, and tweaks.
  • Aug 8, 2011, 04:26 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by califdadof3 View Post

    Take note that at a minimum they will be trying to collect 4 billion a year in penalties.

    Sounds like a very effective way to raise taxes and call them penalties.

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