Just to be clear... I'D like to see a proper democraticly elected leader there that's NOT part of a terrorist organization. And isn't reminiscent of Irans fake "Democracy". Which is actually a Theocracy that allows a certain idividual to play president or not as long as they cowtow to their wishes..

But legitimate... uncontested elections don't happen on a whim... or in a hurry.

I am neither advocating an increase in their resources or greater funding . They suffer similar bureaucratic inefficiencies that other Federal dept's do. Collectively they are top heavy ,overly bureaucratic ,and have group think.
Their message has been the same faulty one to the last 2 administrations so it's not a matter of sucking up to the boss .
I've said this before . They are convinced their world view is correct and if there is a POTUS in power who doesn't share their vision ,they are more than willing to wait the POTUS out. POTUS comes and goes .Their jobs are for life. This time around they have one that shares their myopic ,pie in the sky vision.

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They are convinced their world view is correct and if there is a POTUS in power who doesn't share their vision ,they are more than willing to wait the POTUS out. This time around they have one that shares their myopic ,pie in the sky vision.

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Hello again, tom:

I don't want a spy agency WITH a world view... Then the intelligence they gather FITS their world view. That's not intelligence. That's propaganda.

Yes, I'm talking about WMD's, yellowcake from Niger, and aluminum tubes - ALL manufactured bullsh!t they called intelligence so it could FIT THEIR world view.. Yeah... They had a myopic one back then too.

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The one thing I'm sure of is that Saddam acquired yellow cake from Niger . We collected plenty of that in Iraq.
Interesting... the collective intelligence agencies of the world ,and the UN all shared that so called 'bullsh!te' assessment of Iraq's WMD program. Were they all wrong ?

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Hello again, tom:

They were! Are you saying that it was OK for OUR intelligence agencies to miss it because East Ferstanislan missed it too??

Well, it wasn't, and we're STILL paying the price with TWO unending wars that are BANKRUPTING us - instead, you want to cut funding for PBS, as you strum your fiddle. You guys are bonkers..

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Didn't the Wikileaks documents show WMD's were moved to Syria? Thus proving they existed...

http://www.examiner.com/public-safet...to-us-invasion

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Didn't the Wikileaks documents show WMD's were moved to Syria? Thus proving they existed....

Wikileaks: WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion - National public safety | Examiner.com

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Why was this vindicating information kept secret?

Clearly it was known... also clearly opponents of the Bush Administration ignored the information.

So wikileaks doesn't release secret documents then? Just public information?

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Hello again, tom:

Interestingly, Bush ignored it too.

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Yes he did . I don't understand why .Nor do I understand why he has allowed himself to be slandered by the current occupant of the White House without comment.
Best guess is that he thinks history will vindicate him ,and that he thinks there should be a certain protocol for former President's behavior .

I was talking about General Sada's claims years ago. Then and now I am called 'bonkers' for saying it. I guess if Julian Assange reports it then I am absolved .

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Hello again, tom:

Ok, you're not bonkers. Not because Julian Assange says so - but because I say so.

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Hello again,

Ok, Mubarak steps down. Wouldn't it be cool if they ALL overthrew their yolks of repression? As Americans, we HAVE to identify with that.

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Combination of both... while some events might not be classified... certain aspects and information about them might be. As was the case here and many other things you never even thought about.

Work in that environment long enough and you learn to be quiet rather than have to think about what you heard and where you heard it because you will hear things both public and secret.

I am in favor of democratic reform and liberty . It remains to be seen if that is where this leads. I'm still waiting for liberty in Iran 30 years after popular revolt.

Mubarak handed over power to the military today. Hopefully this ushers in institutional reform that leads to a free and moderate Egypt .
My gut tells me that the military wants to retain Nasserism . But I could be surprised.Egypt is returning to the 1952 model of ruling the state via a council of army officers. The question now is to what extent the military elite will share power with its civilian counterparts.(source Stratfor)

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Work in that enviroment long enough and you learn to be quiet rather than have to think about what you heard and where you heard it because you will hear things both public and secret.

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yep, I know, I'm involved in that.

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yep, I know, I'm involved in that.

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'nuf said.

Isaiah 19 :25

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Book of fables is not relevant here other than a reference to Egypt.

Hello again, tom:

Hmmf. Christian code to keep the Jew in the dark. I know what you're up to.

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