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Originally Posted by smoothy

Can't see him do what he's not doing.

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You know for sure he's not?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.

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Ever read the Bible, especially the Old Testament?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You know for sure he's not?

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He made the claim... its up to hiom to prove it... after 20 years of Rev Wrights hate speaches... the man has no credibility. He's a rascist at heart. Only a rascist spends 20 years listening to hate speech.

If it I had spent 20 years at KKK or Aryan Brootherhood meetings... I'd have one hell of a hard time proving I wasn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

He made the claim...its up to hiom to prove it

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Why does it have to prove it?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Ever read the Bible, especially the Old Testament?

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Old Testiment has nothing to do with today... and Incidentally... I'm not Jewish... the New testiment has greater importance in the Christian faith the Old testiment is a base... but not irrelevant, and yes I have read it. Memorized no, but read yes.. And the Muslims have recently been guilty of far worse than the worst you find in the old testiment.

That is CENTURIES Older than Islam... who at no point in their history has any record of civil rights towards anyone. They are effecetive brainwashers however... they treat women like crap... and make them like it.

No I don't envy that... I don't look down my nose at women.

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Originally Posted by smoothie

It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.

And it REALLY matter when he lies about it.

Particularly since he has turned his back on Israel our Allie...and sucks up to Hamas a terrorist organization that vows to destroy Israel, which is in their Charter.

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Obama is not a Muslim. Just because his father was one does not make him one. My father was baptist, I am not. There have been people born to Atheist parents and they have embraced a religion.
He was married in a Christian church, raised his kids in a Christian church and professes to be a Christian and unless anybody here has the power to divine the heart of a person, to say he is not a Christian is a stretch.
What else does the man have to do. No other president has been held to this standard.

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. Do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Why does it have to prove it?

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He has been calling out all his propagandists in the leftwing media outlets...

If he was and it was so personal to him... why the need to spread all the false propaganda.

The drive by media repeats anything they are told to repeat by their religious leader. ANd every one uses the same worrds and same quotes. Impossible if they were not all reading off the same script they were told to read from.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

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I'm not a fan of Obamas'. If he is a Christian he'll show it. He'll make mistakes as all of do. Who am I to say he isn't?

So it's true then. Freedom of religion only applies if the person is the same religion as you.

Good to know. :(

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

I'm not a fan of Obamas'. If he is a Christian he'll show it. he'll make mistakes as all of do. Who am I to say he isn't?

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My question is "why does it matter?"

If he's not Christian does that make him ineligible to be president? Do Americans only elect Christians? If so, than why preach "Freedom of religion" when that's obviously not the case?

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

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I have a problem BOTH with his religion AND his Politics... in fact there is NOTHING I like about him. And for a number of reasons. The man is a liar, and caught in lie after lie. The man is NOT what he pretends to be...

He is a socialist who thinks those of us that work HAVE to support the lazy half the population which Also contributes ZERO in taxes here.

And as it is under Obama 38% and a growing percentage of the population pay not taxes... he expects the rest of us to hand over OUR earnings to give to the lazy ones.

IN his campaign he said he wants to share the wealth... that means take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't.

I didn't go to college, spend 10 years paying that off, and 30 years clawing my way to where I am to give most of what I earn to a high school dropout drug dealer who thinks he is entitled ot the same stuff I have earned.

Incidentally in the last two years, I forget the exact date he HAS told Egyption dignataries he was Muslim, In his autobiographies he says he was Muslim... except for his mother his entire family is Muslim... he went to muslim only schools as a child...

THe ONLY Christian church he has been seen in was a glorified rascist back church that preached hatred of white people and hatred of America... he went there 20 years and claims he heard none of it... yet that Preacher has Dozens of CD's for sale OF his hatred laced sermons that were sold to anyone who would buy them. So there is tons of proof of that.


He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in... but he attended a Muslim ceremony recently.

If that was a republican President he would have been Impeached before his first six months in office.

Its more about the fact he lies about his religion and everything. What is he hiding? He can't be both. THe two religions are mutually exclusive. You either Believe in Mohammed or Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by smoothie

He made the claim...its up to him to prove it....after 20 years of Rev Wrights hate speeches....the man has no credibility. He's a racist at heart. Only a racist spends 20 years listening to hate speech.

If it I had spent 20 years at KKK or Aryan Brotherhood meetings... I'd have one hell of a hard time proving I wasn't one of them.

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Have you hear 20 years of Wrights sermons? All you have heard is what was shown in the media. I know a lot of people who attend that church and they are not racist and all of his sermons are not like that. Did you hear the context of the remarks he made in that particular sermon? Obama is not a racist.

We have basically been listening to hate speech about Obama for almost two years it's no wonder people are believing what they really want to believe to begin with.
But to call that man a Muslim racist is irresponsible. You don't know what's in that man's heart. All you know is what you have been led to believe.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

So it's true then. Freedom of religion only applies if the person is the same religion as you.

Good to know. :(

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No I'm not saying that. I am a Baptist. I was brought up that you love people. I don't love a lot of people. I don't hate them. Let's say you were Catholic or Jewish. I respect your faith. You are a deist. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else.

Or vice versa. Let's say everyone in the world were mostly diest. I should and you should have freedom to believe any thing you like. No Alty no one has a right to take away anyone's freedom of religion. Obama set himself up to called a Muslim.

How has he set himself up to be called a Muslim?

Obama has gone to the same church since he has been married. His children were baptized in the Church. He has never been referred to as a Muslim until now.
Why do you suppose that is?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I have a problem BOTH with his religion AND his Politics....in fact there is NOTHING I like about him. And for a number of reasons. The man is a liar, and caught in lie after lie. The man is NOT what he pretends to be...

He is a socialist who thinks those of us that work HAVE to support the lazy half the population which Also contributes ZERO in taxes here.

And as it is under Obama 38% and a growing percentage of the population pay not taxes....he expects the rest of us to hand over OUR earnings to give to the lazy ones.

IN his campaign he said he wants to share the wealth....that means take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't.

I didn't go to college, spend 10 years paying that off, and 30 years clawing my way to where I am to give most of what I earn to a high school dropout drug dealer who thinks he is entitled ot the same stuff I have earned.

Incidently in the last two years, I forget the exact date he HAS told Egyption dignataries he was Muslim, In his autobiographies he says he was Muslim...except for his mother his entire family is Muslim....he went to muslim only schools as a child....

THe ONLY Christian church he has been seen in was a gorified rascist back church that preached hatred of white people and hatred of America....he went there 20 years and claims he heard none of it...yet that Preacher has Doezens of DC's for sale OF his hatred laced sermons that ewre sold to anyone who would buy them. So there is tons of proof of that.


He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in.....but he attened a Muslim cerimony recently.

If that was a republican President he would have been Impeached before his first six months in office.

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Who was "the Godly President" who lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction... Mr. "I am such a good Christian Bush." He lied to this country and his lies cost so many men and woman their lives. What for? Tell a mother who is handed folded flag he is a good "Christian he Not only was he incredibly stupid and a drunk he was a liar.man"... :mad:

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Originally Posted by Homegirl 50

Obama has gone to the same church since he has been married. His children were babtised in the Church. He has never been referred to as a Muslim until now.
Why do you suppose that is?

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Really, you live in a sheltered world and only listen to liberal media then. THis is stuff that's Been well Publicized.


Ever hear Reverand Wrights Hate speaches before... google them up if you haven't.

He makes Adolf Hitler seem like a moderate person.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

Who was "the Godly President" who lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction...Mr. "I am such a good Christian Bush." He lied to this country and his lies cost so many men and woman their lives. What for? Tell a mother who is handed folded flag he is a good "Christian he Not only was he incredibly stupid and a drunk he was a liar.man"...:mad:

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The lie you claim was proven to be total Bullsh*t. Proven in the Congressional record. Bush never lied about that..

Every Member of Congress including all the Leading Democrats saw and are on record having seen those same reports and agreeing the WMD's existed... except Obama who voted Present .
Anything else are total LIES spread by Democrats...

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except Obama who voted Present .

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In Illinois (where I went to college and live now) plus in a few more states, a "present" vote means "you haven't proven your case. Work on it and get back to me."

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