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If you want to continue discussing the conversation I'm game.

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Hello again, Steve:

I don't think you realize when I'm saying that you won.

excon

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The teabaggers were the ones carrying the signs accusing the other side of being nazis.

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That was Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House.

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Hello again, Steve:

I don't think you realize when I'm saying that you won.

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I know you're saying that, just not discussing the conversation from the other side. They're both relevant... and it's far from over.

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That was Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House.

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Hello again, Steve:

The CONVERSATION, as evidenced right here, is that the OTHER guy said it... Whereas, in reality, BOTH sides said it. And, IT became the subject of the conversation, - rather than the underlying policies, and IT remains so to this day, again, as evidenced by OUR conversations right smack here.

That means, YOU WON the conversation. Don't for a minute, though, think you did it because you're RIGHT. You're NOT. You're just better at grabbing sound bites.

excon

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The CONVERSATION, as evidenced right here, is that the OTHER guy said it... Whereas, in reality, BOTH sides said it. And, IT became the subject of the conversation, - rather than the underlying policies, and IT remains so to this day, again, as evidenced by OUR conversations right smack here.

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And again the difference is 'our side' condemns idiots on ]our side' that may carry an Obama sign with a Hitler mustache, while the other side labels us all.

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That means, YOU WON the conversation. Don't for a minute, though, think you did it because you're RIGHT. You're NOT. You're just better at grabbing sound bites.

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I think in this case the left was just too good at shooting themselves in the foot. Portraying us as "domestic terrorists" and such, showing news footage to portray us as racist bigots while hiding the fact it was a black man they were filming, shamelessly fawning over Obama like an 11-year-old in the presence of Miley Cyrus, and more importantly, shamelessly ignoring the will of the people.

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Hello tom:

Substance does NOT equal ratings, as the stats you point out show. Oh, it's substance for the empty headed masses, but it AIN'T substance for anybody who got beyond the 5th grade.

excon

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It must be awfully lonely and cold at the altitude you inhabit.:D

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Oh, so you're one of those really, really smart people. What do FEMA death camps have to do with Palin?

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You are quite right, I was referring to Beck of course. My apologies. To be fair to Sarah, she did look quite uncomfortable during her interview with Glenn. Particularly when he pulled out his notebook, in which he had written down all the things they had in common (snigger).

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It would be easier for you, but since you made the claim the burden is on you to substantiate it

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This is a common epistemic error, usually espoused by atheists. I have made a claim, to wit, "Sarah Palin has stated no firm political strategy, for ANYTHING!"

You counter with "show me that this is the case". I say that is absurd. It would be far more useful for you to show me such a strategy, as you obviously know what it is.

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According to YOU, who are the "bourgoise" and "proletariat"?

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Perhaps the distinction could best be shown by visiting your local Court. There is one class of people prosecuting, the other is being prosecuted.

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Maybe you should try reading something by G. Washington, T. Jefferson, J, Adams, et al.

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I'm sure I will. I did have the chance to read Thomas Paine's "The Rights of Man" last month. Quite inspiring, if incredibly naïve. Perhaps you should like to comment on the first chapter (his rebuke of Burke), which I felt would be well read by those who proclaim the primacy of the original constitution?

Paine ;although instrumental in the revolution ('Common Sense' ) could hardly be called a founding father . By the time of the Constitution he was more in line with the French version of revolution. He in fact was a critic of the Constitution as written.

To best understand the founders rationale I go the 'Federalist Papers 'written by Madison, Hamilton ,and Jay .

Please stick to the original topic 'lest these off-topic posts all get deleted.

Sorry ;no can do .I am devotee of Tangentialism.

Have we ever stayed on topic? Why change now?

Since the clearinghouse deleted posts from another thread.

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To best understand the founders rationale I go the 'Federalist Papers 'written by Madison, Hamilton ,and Jay.

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Thank you tomder55, I will indeed read them when I get the chance. Of course I would not dare to suggest that Paine was a Founding Father, however he is the most "relevant" writer (that is to say, closest to the time, place) I have read, apart from the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself.

America must be the most fascinating country on earth. Also, the craziest.

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America must be the most fascinating country on earth. Also, the craziest.

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Yes. We fight an enemy, defeat him, and then help him up and rebuild his country for him.

Conservatives want to preserve those liberties embodied in the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, and those qualities of enterprise and self-reliance that made this country great.

Liberals, who should be properly called progressives or socialists want to change the Constitution by whatever means possible, make government bigger and more intrusive, and make most citizens dependent on government for their every need.

They think that government should make everyone equal.

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.

galveston, you're a legend.

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Now that's a scary avatar.

Just a note on who was more fair and balanced last night, besides the Olbermann and Matthews nonsense. Only one cable news network carried both candidate's speeches in their entirety, the other 2 only carried a fraction of Brown's speech.

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog...s/speeches.jpg

I have to say ,Coakley's concession was gracious ,Kirk has been cooperative ,and the Dems did not do the shenanigans I expected to stall the results.

Maybe that was also a political calculation ,however the transfer has been to date by the book.

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Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.

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Here's another one worth remembering:

You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. [Robert Heinlein]