Ask Me Help Desk - Can't handle the heat

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

As I said in the OP, the Dems can't handle the heat. The American people are waking up to the disaster that is Obamacare.

Hello again, El:

I DO agree, that the scare tactics you're using are working... Just like they worked after we were attacked... But, they're not working for the benefit of the country or your neighbor. Just like that crap you did after 9/11 didn't benefit the country or your neighbor.

The right wing is GOOD at politicking... They're just not good at deciding what to politic for or against... They usually get that backwards. This is one of those times.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well there's more than a nebulous connection elliot:

And I say even if there is so what? Just who the heck do you think the Dems have been in bed with? I already pointed out the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in the country is heeding Obama's call to arms.

The Service Employees International Union, which donated $61 million for Obama's election effort, is answering HCAN's call to provide "cover" for Democrats.

Obama has been ORGANIZING his cult followers to push his agenda from day one of his campaign. People are pushing back "and it's about time."

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

See? You're a yahoo and we don't care what you say. :)

I don't care that you don't care, my point is a slam dunk.

Steve,
I don't see anyone organizing mobs to disrupt proceedings. But elliot thinks it's truly patriotic to shout someone down so that covers you guys I guess.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't care that you don't care, my point is a slam dunk.

Congrats on your internet slam dunk - this must be a happy day for you. :) Aim high.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

From the original question:
So answer the question now.

"From tea parties to town hall meetings, the Dems are having to take a bit of their own medicine.

Now the Dems can't handle the heat that THEY created."

I do believe that is the point of the OP.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Congrats on your internet slam dunk - this must be a happy day for you. :) Aim high.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

I DO agree, that the scare tactics you're using are working.... Just like they worked after we were attacked.... But, they're not working for the benefit of the country or your neighbor. Just like that crap you did after 9/11 didn't benefit the country or your neighbor.

The right wing is GOOD at politicking.... They're just not good at deciding what to politic for or against.... They usually get that backwards. This is one of those times.

excon

Well, based on the poll that I posted, it seems to me that most Americans see stopping Obamacare as VERY beneficial. For their wallets and their personal liberties.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

"From tea parties to town hall meetings, the Dems are having to take a bit of their own medicine.

Now the Dems can't handle the heat that THEY created."

I do believe that is that is the point of the OP.

Ok, you don't care to answer. It's OK, we know why.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Well, based on the poll that I posted, it seems to me that most Americans see stopping Obamacare as VERY beneficial. For their wallets and their personal liberties.

Elliot

You can find any poll that promote your agenda elliot.

Hey look!
Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Favor Universal Health Care -- Until Taxes Are Mentioned | TPMDC

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A new CNN poll shows just how tricky the debate over health care really is. People are all for expanded coverage and greater government involvement -- right up until they have to face the tradeoffs.
"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" Americans favor government intervention in the health system by 69%-29%.
"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the health care you and your family receive in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?" When it involves their own care and their families, approval is still high, but a bit lower: 63%-36%.
"Do you think the federal government should guarantee health care for all Americans, or don't you think so?" Americans favor guaranteed health care for all, by a margin of 62%-38%.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok, you don't care to answer. It's ok, we know why.

Why would supporters of Obamacare plan on disrupting and shouting down their allies?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Why would supporters of Obamacare plan on disrupting and shouting down their allies?

Why then aren't conservatives having their own vociferous meetings that are for their allies? Because their plan is to disrupt other peoples' meetings that's why.

Ahhhh... but taxes HAVE been mentioned. And even in the CNN poll, once that occurs the numbers go WAAAAAYYYY down.

Americans know that the choice is either higher taxes to cover the cost of a government system or lower services... and likely both.

But also, look at the questions themselves:

In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?

The problem with this question is that this is not what is being proposed. The costs of health care under HR3200, according to the Congressional Budget Office, would go up, and the number of additional people covered would be minimal, if any. So the question itself is based on a falsehood... not on what is actually being proposed.

The Quinnipiac poll, however, asks questions about THIS SPECIFIC PLAN, and Obama's handling of the issue. It asks whether Americans think that THIS PLAN will be better or worse than what we've got now. The poll is very specific as opposed to asking "what if" questions about something not currently even under consideration.

Sure, you can find polls to support any position. But the key is to find the ones that are ACCURATE and measure the actual issue at hand, not the idealized "what ifs".

Elliot

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Why then aren't conservatives having their own vociferous meetings that are for their allies? Because their plan is to disrupt other peoples' meetings that's why.

Seems pretty obvious you don't get the concept of protest.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

...and the number of additional people covered would be minimal, if any..

Explain that to me please. How does universal healthcare omit anyone.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Explain that to me please. How does universal healthcare omit anyone.

Explain how the proposed plan is "universal healthcare." In his flop of a presser Obama himself said it would cover 97 percent of the people. Factcheck.org says it will cover far less than that.

Ah I see. I can't understand why everyone who pays taxes would not be covered.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ah I see. I can't understand why everyone who pays taxes would not be covered.

That's not UNIVERSAL health care. Universal health care means everyone is covered REGARDLESS of whether they have paid into the system or not through taxes.

According to the CBO, 36 million people (including illegal aliens and legal citizens) would not be covered. The Heritage foundation believes that this is an understatement of the number that would be without insurance, but the CBO's numbers, since they are from the government, have the imprimature of "officialdom".

In any case, this "universal health plan" would not be universal.

Why would they not be covered? Ask Obama. It's his plan.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Why would they not be covered? Ask Obama. It's his plan.

Well I'm asking you because you seem to know all about it.

If somebody is not turned away from a E.R. today isn't that a form a universal heathcare
With the economy
Your credit score will mean less and less
To more and more people
So they will drop paid heath and wait for
Something to happen that sends them to a E.R.