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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Well sure if you're ok with genocide, torture far beyond anything you can imagine at Gitmo, murder and forced relocation by intentional environmental destruction, gassing your own people, public executions, assassinating your political opponents, etc. as part of "keeping the peace."

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There's an old saying about the Mongols. "They made a desert and called it 'peace'." They laid whole cities to waste. They killed everyone in Bagdad, for instance, when they raided Persia. Yeah, there was peace afterward, but only because everyone was dead.

Saddam Hussean "kept the peace" the same way. He murdered dissenters in job lots. He used chemical gas to murder a million Kurds who dissented with his rule. Yeah, he kept the peace... by murdering anyone who didn't toe his line, along with their families, their neighbors their acquaintances and their pet dogs.

I'll take the current "shaky" peace over Saddam's (and apparently your's as well) vision of peace any day.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

I'll take the current "shaky" peace over Saddam's (and apparently your's as well) vision of peace any day.

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I take it you mean excon's peace... I'm with you on this.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I take it you mean excon's peace...I'm with you on this.

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Yep. Sorry about the mixup. I quoted the wrong message.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We didn't? Didn't Elliot list the reasons, or did we just go there for the oil and to finish what Papa Bush started?

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If those were the goals (and I don't believe they were), then clearly we still won. Saddam is dead and the oil is flowing. Ergo, we won by that standard too.

So no matter how this is spun, we won.

Elliot