Ask Me Help Desk - Gay Marriage

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

... which of course leads to the question why don't we want gays to have that same happiness and starts this circle all over again.

Well that is EASY.. because we are intolerant. Speech don't you know that by now?. all Christians are intolerant, small minded, evil beings. AND we have no sense of humor either. I don't even know why we are here.. why ARE we here. Maybe I will start that thread. LOL

Omg lol ? Lol!

Actually--doesn't the Bible make provision for polygamy?

I mean, if Jacob could have 2 wives, why can't Steve have one husband?

I don't have a problem, by the way, with people who want to have multiple wives/husbands----as long as the rules are the same as any other marriage: CONSENTING and ADULTS being the main two rules.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Well that is EASY..because we are intolerant. Speech don't you know that by now?...all Christians are intolerant, small minded, evil beings. AND we have no sense of humor either. I don't even know why we are here..why ARE we here. Maybe i will start that thread. LOL

Of course I know that by now, I've been reminded soooo many times. At least we're not as angry as liberals :D

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Of course I know that by now, I've been reminded soooo many times. At least we're not as angry as liberals :D

Liberals aren't christians?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Liberals aren't christians?

Hello NK:

Not REAL Christians.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Liberals aren't christians?

That's not for me to say. I just said liberals, Christian, atheist, agnostic whatever. They do seem to be an awfully angry bunch but perhaps the combination of Bush leaving and The One taking over can heal them of their anger. ;)

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Originally Posted by Synnen

Actually--doesn't the Bible make provision for polygamy?

I mean, if Jacob could have 2 wives, why can't Steve have one husband?

I don't have a problem, by the way, with people who want to have multiple wives/husbands----as long as the rules are the same as any other marriage: CONSENTING and ADULTS being the main two rules.

I love it; Adam, Eve and Jane? Speaking of things in and not in the bible; just exactly where did Cain and Abel get their wives? Sisters? :eek:

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Originally Posted by TexasParent

I love it; Adam, Eve and Jane? Speaking of things in and not in the bible; just exactly where did Cain and Abel get their wives? Sisters? :eek:

It's the only thing that makes sense and you got to start somewhere ;)

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's not for me to say. I just said liberals, Christian, atheist, agnostic whatever. They do seem to be an awfully angry bunch but perhaps the combination of Bush leaving and The One taking over can heal them of their anger. ;)

Haven't you noticed that it isn't the liberals starting the angry threads here?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Haven't you noticed that it isn't the liberals starting the angry threads here?

Yes speech, haven't you noticed?. geesh I got to teach you everything!. the LIBERALS are kind, understanding, sensitive, caring, loving and just plain adorable.. I mean you want to just reach out and squeeze their little cheeks. Their topics are just informative... they are NEVER angry and this is a big one... THEY ARE ALWAYS politically correct.. well dog on it.. lets' just call a spade a spade.. they are always CORRECT... period. :rolleyes:

You're a weird one indeed.

NK,

It is called SARCASM!

Speech, we may be ONE up on them... they appear not to be too bright.

Sorry ex... I am off the topic.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Cappy:

Because gay people are an abomination. They're damned to hell and not worthy of equal rights, happiness, or ANY Christianlike attitudes. Besides, this IS a Christian country.

There, Christians. I answered for you.

excon

UGH... you didn't answer for me. I just read this fyi... homosexual activity is a sin... not because I said so but because GOD did. What you don't understand ex.. is that ALL of us NOT just Gay people are NOT worthy of anything and we are ALL born damned to hell.I didn't say that... GOD did. So do me a great big favor and quit acting like Christians somehow THINK we are better because we are NOT. You do NOT understand Christians... you THINK you do but you don't. Don't answer for me and I won't answer for YOU.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Michaleb,

I guess then you would defend one of those creepy men in a mormon cult that have 15 wives and some of them pretty darn young. So they should be free to legally marry as many woman as they like? They have their rights too???

If all of the wives are over 18 and consent to the marriage, sure, why not?

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Originally Posted by passmeby

Obviously, if you're attracted to the same sex, you can't reproduce, and therefore, in the natural world, you are useless.

Huh. So gays are all sterile? I just learn sumpthin' new e'ryday...

Lol about all of us homos bein' sterile...

That really made me laugh out loud.

Thank you.

:)

I just don't understand how people can be so cruel. Take away the religion and politics…what you have left are people…living, breathing people. Who cares if they are gay, straight, etc. People don't wake up one day and decide “hum, I think I'm going to be gay!” They are born this way. Therefore, their rights should not be denied. If a gay couple wants to take their relationship to the next level and get hitched, they should be able to. If they want to start a family, they should have that freedom. Let's get out of the Stone Age people. If God's so good then why can't he love everybody despite their differences? Yes, gay is a difference, not a flaw, not a sin.

Huh. So gays are all sterile? I just learn sumpthin' new e'ryday... [/QUOTE]

OK, where did I say all gays are sterile? I guess I have to put this into simpler terms for those who don't get it. OK... a gay person is attracted to another person of the same sex. Two people of the same sex can't conceive a child together. Clear? Every living things purpose is to reproduce, name one living thing that doesn't (besides gays and people with fertility issues). Therefore I believe being gay is a flaw as it interferes with the proliferation of our species.

wow! You started a big discussion!
I just wanted to put my two cents in that I don't think there is anything wrong with two gays getting married. I can see where the church would not want to be a part of it... however the church marries alcoholics, pedophiles, and adulterers... so I think the church should allow gay marriage and love them the say way they love the drug abusers and murderers. Homosexuality is a sin... that can't be contested in a christian setting but we all sin and no one sin is worse then another. Just so everyone knows... I am very happy in a heterosexual marriage. I think that being gay is a sin and is wrong but I also think it is wrong to compulsively work and make work your idol... or to do drugs, drink, cheat, lie, steal, kill, etc!
If the time ever comes for a vote on gay marriage in my area I will definitely vote to legalize it... my religious views should not be imposed on anyone... that is why we live in America!! And that is why my husband fights 6000 miles away from me for years to ensure that we all have the freedom to practice whatever religion or even bad mouth the people fighting for us... I agree with the people who said that marriage should be a state thing in the sense of legal marriage and if you want a godly union then you can do that separately through your church or temple or synagoge or where ever you worship. I feel like someone is going to challenge me on this but I can take it! Im opinionated but respectful.

kraussnumber2
Thank you and your husband for you do for the country. I have been the one advocating the complete separation of the civil laws and religious ceremony. I think it would be the solution for the issue respecting magog85's well stated counterpost. I'll agree to disagree on the specifics.

My own view is that this will not get settled on a state by state basis. As I pointed out to Excon his objection of the separate but equal 14th amendment Brown v Board of Ed decision historically only applies when it is proven that separate but equal cannot be achieved. Also in play as everyone is mentioning is the 1st amendment " separations ".

But the biggest reason this will have to be settled federally is because of the 'full faith and credit " clause in the constitution[Article IV, Section 1] that says states have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial rulings" of other states.As Justice Scalia argued in his dissent of Lawrence V Texas once one state permitted 'gay marriage' the "full faith and credit "clause arguably mandates that all states recognize the contract. NYState has taken that interpretation . We do not have gay marriages but the Governor recognizes ones that were performed out of state.

So because of issues of the full faith and credit clause,the 1st and 14th amendments ; the question of gay marriage will need to be settled nationally ;either by SCOTUS decision or constitutional amendment.